Without AMERICAN POWER, the world would go to SHIT?

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  • pimplink
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    • Jun 2001
    • 9535

    #1

    Without AMERICAN POWER, the world would go to SHIT?

    Thesis: Without American hegemony the world would likely return to the dark ages.

    Article: http://www.opinionjournal.com/editor...l?id=110005244

    Talking points: Culture and advancement is not fixed in any one geopolitical point. If this is true, then why argue for the need for American protection of 'fixed bases' of culture/technology/progress?

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  • pimplink
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    • Jun 2001
    • 9535

    #2
    From the article:

    Waning empires. Religious revivals. Incipient anarchy. A coming retreat into fortified cities. These are the Dark Age experiences that a world without a hyperpower might find itself reliving. The trouble is, of course, that this Dark Age would be an altogether more dangerous one than the one of the ninth century. For the world is roughly 25 times more populous, so that friction between the world's "tribes" is bound to be greater. Technology has transformed production; now societies depend not merely on freshwater and the harvest but also on supplies of mineral oil that are known to be finite. Technology has changed destruction, too: Now it is possible not just to sack a city, but to obliterate it.

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    • Giorgio_Xo
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      • Mar 2003
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      #3
      Obviously, this thesis is a joke. Political theory states that a vacuum of power draws new political forces. That power concentrates in the hands of the few. There are plenty of very strong countries that could replace the U.S. over a short period of time. This article also argues that American hegemony is a good thing which isn't an easy thing to prove. I can point to dozens of countries that don't believe that is true - Central America primarily.

      Pax Americana is a myth. We are the most warmongering nation in the history of Earth. Since 1776 the U.S. has sent troops abroad to fight over 200 times surpassing the Roman Empire and the Mongols.
      Make Levees, Not War

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      • TheMob?
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        • Jan 2003
        • 8584

        #4
        Originally posted by Giorgio_Xo
        Obviously, this thesis is a joke. Political theory states that a vacuum of power draws new political forces. That power concentrates in the hands of the few. There are plenty of very strong countries that could replace the U.S. over a short period of time. This article also argues that American hegemony is a good thing which isn't an easy thing to prove. I can point to dozens of countries that don't believe that is true - Central America primarily.

        Pax Americana is a myth. We are the most warmongering nation in the history of Earth. Since 1776 the U.S. has sent troops abroad to fight over 200 times surpassing the Roman Empire and the Mongols.
        is that a fact? link please

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        • pimplink
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          • Jun 2001
          • 9535

          #5
          Originally posted by Giorgio_Xo
          Obviously, this thesis is a joke. Political theory states that a vacuum of power draws new political forces. That power concentrates in the hands of the few. There are plenty of very strong countries that could replace the U.S. over a short period of time. This article also argues that American hegemony is a good thing which isn't an easy thing to prove. I can point to dozens of countries that don't believe that is true - Central America primarily.

          Pax Americana is a myth. We are the most warmongering nation in the history of Earth. Since 1776 the U.S. has sent troops abroad to fight over 200 times surpassing the Roman Empire and the Mongols.
          You raise very good points BUT the concept of a Pax Americana only holds for the post WW2 period. In this period, US incursions are much fewer than the Roman/Mongol empires you mention above.

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          • pxxx
            First African GFY Member
            • Mar 2004
            • 12114

            #6
            I dont think that is true.

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            • pimplink
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              • Jun 2001
              • 9535

              #7
              Originally posted by pxxx
              I dont think that is true.
              Please elaborate

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              • tranza
                ICQ: 197-556-237
                • Jun 2003
                • 57559

                #8
                Originally posted by pxxx
                I dont think that is true.
                Lol.... You're not going to be paid for your bs posts!

                I'm just a newbie.

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                • pimplink
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                  • Jun 2001
                  • 9535

                  #9
                  Originally posted by tranza
                  Lol.... You're not going to be paid for your bs posts!


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                  • EviLSuperstaR
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                    • May 2004
                    • 804

                    #10
                    There is a lot of American power in Iraq now. That country is such a lovely place now

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                    • RicardoB
                      Confirmed User
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 2576

                      #11
                      US gives itself way to much credit.

                      The world can do without it no doubt.

                      But does that mean it should?

                      Now there's a question

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                      • pimplink
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                        • Jun 2001
                        • 9535

                        #12
                        Originally posted by RicardoB
                        US gives itself way to much credit.

                        The world can do without it no doubt.

                        But does that mean it should?

                        Now there's a question
                        Cultural diversity is always a good thing. Is it?

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                        • Goatse
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                          • Sep 2003
                          • 2086

                          #13
                          Without white ingeniosity, there wouldn't be a civilization for you subhumans to complain about.
                          Last edited by Goatse; 08-15-2004, 05:44 PM.

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                          • pimplink
                            Confirmed User
                            • Jun 2001
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Goatse
                            Without white ingeniosity, there wouldn't be a civilization for you subhumans to complain about.
                            But didn't civilization began in "non-white" areas (Mesopotamia, Harapa River Valley, Lower Nile, Yangtze river valley, etc)?

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                            • Webby
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • Oct 2002
                              • 14956

                              #15
                              Without AMERICAN POWER, the world would go to SHIT?
                              I can't stop laughing!!!!

                              That is the joke of the century - so far.. tooooo silly!!
                              XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                              • Webby
                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                • Oct 2002
                                • 14956

                                #16
                                Mr. Ferguson, professor of history at NYU and a senior fellow of the Hoover Institution
                                Sheesh... and this utter crap was actually attributed to some "professor"??

                                He needs to get into the real world and learn something
                                XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                                • mrgica
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                                  • Jan 2004
                                  • 2169

                                  #17
                                  Fuck it dude, lets go bowling

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