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  • KRL
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    • Oct 2002
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    Calif. Supreme Court Voids 4,000 Same Sex Marriages

    Our legal system has overstepped its bounds again and imposed morality on the people's individual rights to love whoever they damn want.

    Unbelievable how much power government has over everyone's personal life in today's world.


    Calif. Court Voids S.F. Same-Sex Marriages

    AN FRANCISCO - The California Supreme Court on Thursday voided the nearly 4,000 same-sex marriages sanctioned in San Francisco this year and ruled unanimously that the mayor overstepped his authority by issuing licenses to gay and lesbian couples.

    The court said the city illegally issued the certificates and performed the ceremonies, since state law defined marriage as a union between a man and woman.

    The justices separately decided with a 5-2 vote to nullify the 3,995 marriages peformed between Feb. 12 and March 11, when the court halted the weddings. Their legality, Justice Joyce Kennard wrote, must wait until courts resolve the constitutionality of state laws that restrict marriages to opposite-sex couples.

    The same-sex marriages had virtually no legal value, but powerful symbolic value. Their nullification by the high court dismayed Del Martin and Phyllis Lyon, the first same-sex couple to receive a marriage license in San Francisco.

    "Del is 83 years old and I am 79," Lyon said. "After being together for more than 50 years, it is a terrible blow to have the rights and protections of marriage taken away from us. At our age, we do not have the luxury of time."

    About a dozen gay and lesbian couples, some wearing wedding dresses and tuxedos, waited on the steps of the Supreme Court building, and some cried when the decision was read.

    The court did not resolve whether the California Constitution would permit a same-sex marriage, ruling instead on the limits of authority regarding local government officials.

    Anti-gay-marriage groups hailed the ruling, saying Mayor Gavin Newsom acted prematurely.

    "Instead of helping his cause, Mayor Newsom has set back the same-sex marriage agenda and laid the foundation for the pro-marriage movement to once and for all win this battle to preserve traditional marriage," said Mathew Staver, who represents Campaign for California Families in a lawsuit challenging the San Francisco marriages.

    The justices agreed to resolve the legality of the San Francisco weddings after emergency petitions were filed by conservative interest groups and Attorney General Bill Lockyer.
    San Francisco's gay weddings, which followed a landmark ruling by Massachusetts' top court allowing gay marriage ? prompted President Bush to push for changing the U.S. Constitution to ban same-sex marriage, an effort that has become campaign fodder this election year.

    The California court sided with Lockyer's arguments, ruling that Newsom's actions would sanction local officials to legislate state law from city halls or county government centers.

    When the justices agreed to hear the case, they said they would decide only whether Newsom overstepped his mayoral powers for now, but would entertain a constitutional challenge ? that gays should be treated the same as heterosexual couples under the California Constitution ? if such a lawsuit reached the court.

    Gay and lesbian couples immediately filed lawsuits making that argument, as did Newsom. The now-consolidated cases are unlikely to reach the California Supreme Court for at least a year or more. California lawmakers have refused to take a position on the matter.

    Newsom argued to the justices in May that the ability of same-sex couples to marry was a "fundamental right" that compelled him to act. Newsom authorized the marriages by citing the California Constitution's ban against discrimination, and claimed he was duty-bound to follow this higher authority rather than state laws banning gay marriage.
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  • sixxxth_sense
    So Fucking Banned
    • Nov 2003
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    #2
    thats just great, so u mean im not married to Jhonny anymore?

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    • Dirty F
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      • Jul 2001
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      #3
      Pretty gay.

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      • Doctor Dre
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        • Jan 2001
        • 51692

        #4
        Why don't they let people live what they want ... That's not what I call freedom . It has nothing to do with any1 else then the couples that got married
        Originally posted by rayadp05
        I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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        • nofx
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          • Nov 2002
          • 16826

          #5
          its because of the religious influence in people. who really cares who marries who? its complete bullshit.

          Often times I wonder why
          There's love and hate, theres live or die.
          When sickness comes I must decide:
          When feelings go, theres suicide.

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          • Explicit
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            • Jul 2004
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            #6
            pretty gayish...

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            • theking
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              • Sep 2002
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              #7
              Originally posted by KRL
              Our legal system has overstepped its bounds again and imposed morality on the people's individual rights to love whoever they damn want.

              Unbelievable how much power government has over everyone's personal life in today's world.
              Care to explain how upholding current law is overstepping "its bounds" and care to explain how this ruling has curtailed "the people's individual rights to love whoever they damn want".?
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                #8
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                • stocktrader23
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                  • Jan 2003
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by theking
                  Care to explain how upholding current law is overstepping "its bounds" and care to explain how this ruling has curtailed "the people's individual rights to love whoever they damn want".?
                  I agree. Whether or not I think they should be allowed to marry is irrelevant. The current law clearly states that a marriage is between a man and a woman. It's their job to uphold it until the law is changed.


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                  • Bama
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                    • Nov 2001
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                    #10
                    Well, the Mayor DID overstep his authority.

                    It never ceases to amaze me at the sheer number of folks who overstep their authority - then bitch when they get smacked back into place.

                    I remember watching and throughly enjoying the Ellen show.

                    She went from making sure you were entertained and you could give a shit she was gay to her making damned sure you knew she was gay and couldn't care less if you were entertained. The shove-it-down-your-throat approach ain't gonna work.

                    Personally, I think gay folks have every right to be JUST as miserable as the rest of the married folks out there

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                    • MasterBlogger
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                      • Jan 2004
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                      #11
                      True sexual equality would recognize the lifetime union of any two persons.

                      It's a sad day in the USA.

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                      • benc
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                        #12
                        All the court did was uphold the law and put an end to a renegade act. Its up to the legislation to make laws not a mayor.
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                        • KRL
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by stocktrader23
                          I agree. Whether or not I think they should be allowed to marry is irrelevant. The current law clearly states that a marriage is between a man and a woman. It's their job to uphold it until the law is changed.
                          Fuck laws that are clearly designed to appease the morality issues of the fucking right wing puritans in this country.

                          Its all backed by the same freaks that want to get rid of porn.

                          This bullshit is DISCRIMINATION pure and simple.
                          Last edited by KRL; 08-12-2004, 11:50 AM.
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                          • KRL
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by MasterBlogger
                            True sexual equality would recognize the lifetime union of any two persons.

                            It's a sad day in the USA.
                            Exactly.
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                            • stocktrader23
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by KRL
                              Fuck laws that are clearly designed to appease the morality issues of the fucking right wing puritans in this country.

                              Its all backed by the same freaks that want to get rid of porn.

                              This bullshit is DISCRIMINATION pure and simple.
                              It's probably a 200 year old law that was part of the foundation of this nation. Go lobby the lawmakers to change it not me.


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                              • theking
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by KRL
                                Fuck laws that are clearly designed to appease the morality issues of the fucking right wing puritans in this country.

                                Its all backed by the same freaks that want to get rid of porn.

                                This bullshit is DISCRIMINATION pure and simple.
                                Originally posted by theking
                                Care to explain how upholding current law is overstepping "its bounds" and care to explain how this ruling has curtailed "the people's individual rights to love whoever they damn want".?
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                                • KRL
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by stocktrader23
                                  It's probably a 200 year old law that was part of the foundation of this nation. Go lobby the lawmakers to change it not me.
                                  Exactly from the same puritans that felt there was nothing wrong with abducting black men, women and children from Africa, bringing them here chained in the bottom of boats without food and water, throwing sick ones overboard, bringing them to the US to work on plantations and be whipped if they didn't do their work, deprive them of even basic human rightsl, treat them like they are lower than animals, etc.

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                                  • Bama
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by KRL
                                    Fuck laws that are clearly designed to appease the morality issues of the fucking right wing puritans in this country.
                                    So if you believe that, you would find room to argue in favor of a 38 year old man having sex with a 9 year old girl - if she were willing? Isn't that too- just a morality issue?

                                    And if not, (and hopefully not) then how do you distinguish between one law for morality over another?

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                                    • theking
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                                      • Sep 2002
                                      • 21053

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by KRL
                                      Exactly from the same puritans that felt there was nothing wrong with abducting black men, women and children from Africa, bringing them here chained in the bottom of boats without food and water, throwing sick ones overboard, bringing them to the US to work on plantations and be whipped if they didn't do their work, deprive them of even basic human rightsl, treat them like they are lower than animals, etc.

                                      Originally posted by theking
                                      Care to explain how upholding current law is overstepping "its bounds" and care to explain how this ruling has curtailed "the people's individual rights to love whoever they damn want".?
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                                      • smack
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                                        #20
                                        "How soon the labor of men would make a paradise of the whole earth, were it not for misgovernment, and a diversion of all his energies from their proper object -- the happiness of man -- to the selfish interest of kings, nobles, and priests." --Thomas Jefferson to Ellen W. Coolidge, 1825. ME 18:341
                                        Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

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                                        • Rich
                                          So Fucking Banned
                                          • Jan 2003
                                          • 11486

                                          #21
                                          Gay people should have the right to be just as miserable as the rest of us.

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                                          • KRL
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                                            • 31429

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Bama
                                            So if you believe that, you would find room to argue in favor of a 38 year old man having sex with a 9 year old girl - if she were willing? Isn't that too- just a morality issue?

                                            And if not, (and hopefully not) then how do you distinguish between one law for morality over another?
                                            Cut the bullshit comparing that to what the issue is. That is a crap comparison that inevitably pops up in every thread on this issue.

                                            Totally not the same argument.
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                                            • theking
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by KRL
                                              Cut the bullshit comparing that to what the issue is. That is a crap comparison that inevitably pops up in every thread on this issue.

                                              Totally not the same argument.
                                              Originally posted by theking
                                              Care to explain how upholding current law is overstepping "its bounds" and care to explain how this ruling has curtailed "the people's individual rights to love whoever they damn want".?
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                                              • KRL
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by theking
                                                Are upi asking me a valid question or just playing copy past right now to reiterate my point?

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                                                • smack
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                                                  #25
                                                  "The equal rights of man, and the happiness of every individual, are now acknowledged to be the only legitimate objects of government." --Thomas Jefferson to A. Coray, 1823. ME 15:482
                                                  Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

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                                                  • Bama
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                                                    • Nov 2001
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                                                    #26
                                                    No, it IS a morality issue

                                                    You just happen to agree that 1 of these issues are indeed truely necessary and it contradicts your blanket statement.

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                                                    • Snake Doctor
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                                                      • Mar 2001
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                                                      #27
                                                      While I agree that gay people should have the same rights as straight people, in the strictly legal sense the court did the right thing.

                                                      We can't break laws just because they're "wrong".
                                                      Someone needs to challenge the state law in federal court and have it overturned on constitutional grounds......until then the state law unfortunately stands

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                                                      • theking
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                                                        • Sep 2002
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by KRL
                                                        Are upi asking me a valid question or just playing copy past right now to reiterate my point?

                                                        I am asking you to explain how the California Supreme Court overstepped its "bounds" by enforcing current law...and how did their ruling curtail "the people's individual rights to love whoever they damn want".? You made the statements...care to explain the statements? Your statements have validity or they do not...which is it?
                                                        Last edited by theking; 08-12-2004, 12:04 PM.
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                                                        • Bama
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                                                          #29
                                                          See, I'm all for a great discussion - without name calling and putting down ones beliefs - but when you toss out a blanket statement like you did, well, it cheapens the discussion.

                                                          Don't most laws concerning personal preference have to deal with morality?

                                                          The same moral objection to gay marriages also makes pedophilia illegal - yet they are covered under the same umbrella - whether you like it or not.

                                                          My only point in making my (admittedly opposite end of the spectrum analogy) is that a blanket statement like the one you dished out - so often short sheets the bed.

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                                                          • Brujah
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                                                            • Jan 2001
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                                                            #30
                                                            LINK ??

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                                                            • Brujah
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                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                              • 22157

                                                              #31
                                                              oh no.. it's happening EVERYWHERE !

                                                              France's first gay marriage, which was conducted last month by a local mayor, has been annulled by a court.

                                                              The tribunal in Bordeaux declared the marriage of Stephane Chapin and Bertrand Charpentier "null and void".

                                                              The mayor, Noel Mamere of the Green Party, was suspended for a month after defying government warnings that he would be breaking the law when he wed the two men in the town of Begles.

                                                              Justice Minister Dominique Perben had already declared the wedding invalid.

                                                              The prosecutor in the case said that the marriage was not in compliance with French law.

                                                              http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3929207.stm

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                                                              • jimmyf
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                                                                • Feb 2001
                                                                • 12651

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by theking
                                                                Care to explain how upholding current law is overstepping "its bounds" and care to explain how this ruling has curtailed "the people's individual rights to love whoever they damn want".?

                                                                fuck the laws
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                                                                • jimmyf
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                                                                  • Feb 2001
                                                                  • 12651

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by stocktrader23
                                                                  I agree. Whether or not I think they should be allowed to marry is irrelevant. The current law clearly states that a marriage is between a man and a woman. It's their job to uphold it until the law is changed.
                                                                  got 2 remember this was California.


                                                                  Can't get very much more Liberal, unless It's Mass.
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                                                                  • theking
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by jimmyf
                                                                    fuck the laws
                                                                    I guess that is the explanation...he gave...for his mistatements. How are you doing jimmyf?
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                                                                    • jimmyf
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Bama
                                                                      Well, the Mayor DID overstep his authority.

                                                                      It never ceases to amaze me at the sheer number of folks who overstep their authority - then bitch when they get smacked back into place.

                                                                      I remember watching and throughly enjoying the Ellen show.

                                                                      She went from making sure you were entertained and you could give a shit she was gay to her making damned sure you knew she was gay and couldn't care less if you were entertained. The shove-it-down-your-throat approach ain't gonna work.

                                                                      Personally, I think gay folks have every right to be JUST as miserable as the rest of the married folks out there
                                                                      I know and I liked her show until she started that stuff.

                                                                      I watch her still on DirectTV ever once in awhile
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                                                                      • jimmyf
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by theking
                                                                        I guess that is the explanation...he gave...for his mistatements. How are you doing jimmyf?
                                                                        pretty good and you ?

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                                                                        been 2 or 3 years, forgot just about evrything i Knew, ( dos program was written in Clipper) and on top of that my grey matter is not what it use to be.
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                                                                        • loverboy
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Brujah
                                                                          LINK ??
                                                                          http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/08/12/sa....ap/index.html

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                                                                          • pxxx
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                                                                            • Mar 2004
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            They should let people live their own life.

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                                                                            • jimmyf
                                                                              OU812
                                                                              • Feb 2001
                                                                              • 12651

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by pxxx
                                                                              They should let people live their own life.
                                                                              they can live their own lives, they just can not break the law.

                                                                              change the law if you or they don't like it, but you can't break it.
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                                                                              • WarChild
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                                                                                • Jan 2003
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                It seems to me that actual "marriage" is rooted heavily in religion. Regardless of how silly organized religion might be.

                                                                                Let marriage belong to men and women ... Most people aren't doing a very good job of it anyway.

                                                                                Allow gay men and women to have civil unions, with ALL the rights and privledges attached to marriage.

                                                                                What is in a name anyway?
                                                                                .

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                                                                                • axelcat
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  wow

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                                                                                  • Manowar
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                                                                                    • Dec 2003
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Bible Bashers overstepping the mark again.

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                                                                                    • TheJimmy
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                                                                                      • Jan 2001
                                                                                      • 10747

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by KRL
                                                                                      Fuck laws that are clearly designed to appease the morality issues of the fucking right wing puritans in this country.

                                                                                      Its all backed by the same freaks that want to get rid of porn.

                                                                                      This bullshit is DISCRIMINATION pure and simple.


                                                                                      pretty much....yaaapppp.....

                                                                                      so much for seperation of church and state eh? (practicing for my move north with the eh thing...)


                                                                                      however, I do agree with theking and stocktrader, it is just dealing with laws on the books, its up to US /thepeople/ to change those dammned laws by writing our representatives and VOTING the puritans out of office, whereever and whenever possible...


                                                                                      where' is the ACLU on this, I'm sure someone's got to be funding one hell of a legal battle on this issue in the name of discrimination based on gender...etc...
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                                                                                      • WarChild
                                                                                        Let slip the dogs of war.
                                                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                                                        • 17263

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by TheJimmy
                                                                                        pretty much....yaaapppp.....

                                                                                        so much for seperation of church and state eh? (practicing for my move north with the eh thing...)


                                                                                        however, I do agree with theking and stocktrader, it is just dealing with laws on the books, its up to US /thepeople/ to change those dammned laws by writing our representatives and VOTING the puritans out of office, whereever and whenever possible...
                                                                                        The Majority of the US people don't seem to support gay marriage.

                                                                                        And how do you seperate the church from Marriage? Marriage minus the church is civil union, isn't it?
                                                                                        .

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                                                                                          • KRL
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                                                                                            • 31429

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by WarChild
                                                                                            The Majority of the US people don't seem to support gay marriage.

                                                                                            And how do you seperate the church from Marriage? Marriage minus the church is civil union, isn't it?
                                                                                            The majority of the US population supported depriving blacks and women of their civil liberties for hundreds of years.

                                                                                            Just because the majority supports something does not mean it is right.
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                                                                                            • WarChild
                                                                                              Let slip the dogs of war.
                                                                                              • Jan 2003
                                                                                              • 17263

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by KRL
                                                                                              The majority of the US population supported depriving blacks and women of their civil liberties for hundreds of years.

                                                                                              Just because the majority supports something does not mean it is right.
                                                                                              I still say leave Marriage to men and women. Give gays civil unions, or whatever they would like to call it.

                                                                                              Give them the same rights as marriage ... What's wrong with this idea?
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                                                                                              • KRL
                                                                                                Entrepreneur
                                                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                                                • 31429

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by jimmyf
                                                                                                they can live their own lives, they just can not break the law.

                                                                                                change the law if you or they don't like it, but you can't break it.
                                                                                                Are you shitting me Jimmy?

                                                                                                Get real here. 99% of the people in this country break one law or another every single day.

                                                                                                Why the fuck do so many people look at "law" as if it is a concrete word from God.

                                                                                                Fuck the laws. Most laws are bullshit designed by special interests not the people.

                                                                                                Wake up.

                                                                                                You think our browsers are getting hijacked?

                                                                                                Your rights are what's getting hijacked with this ultra right wing government of ours.
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                                                                                                • crockett
                                                                                                  in a van by the river
                                                                                                  • May 2003
                                                                                                  • 76818

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  I wonder what would happen if the people decided this govt was nolonger working and decided it was time to start a new one..



                                                                                                  In Congress, July 4, 1776

                                                                                                  The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

                                                                                                  When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

                                                                                                  We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, -- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security -- Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. -- The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.
                                                                                                  In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                                                                  • KRL
                                                                                                    Entrepreneur
                                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                                    • 31429

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by crockett
                                                                                                    I wonder what would happen if the people decided this govt was nolonger working and decided it was time to start a new one..



                                                                                                    In Congress, July 4, 1776

                                                                                                    The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

                                                                                                    When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

                                                                                                    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, -- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security -- Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. -- The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.
                                                                                                    If this country continues on its present course and moral direction, you will inevitably reach a breaking point and civil disobediance will occur on a scale not seen in hundreds of years.

                                                                                                    If history has taught us anything, its that you can only fuck with "the people" for so long, and then they snap en masse and revolt against the king.
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