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08-09-2004, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by [illnet]-Jamie

Thats very funny Mike!

I am serious, I am talking back when I got in the biz 1996.... I remember thinking Webfather was a fool. OF coure the reality is I was the fool.

I also missed domains at good prices like mardigras.com

Oh well. Luckily my other investments have done well.

My only "prime" domains are gardner.com and insulting.com

Make big money on your Domains! Why wait 40 days to get paid with the other guys? Parked.com pays the most for your traffic, and cuts checks twice a month!
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08-09-2004, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by Mike AI
I am serious, I am talking back when I got in the biz 1996.... I remember thinking Webfather was a fool. OF coure the reality is I was the fool.

I also missed domains at good prices like mardigras.com

Oh well. Luckily my other investments have done well.

My only "prime" domains are gardner.com and insulting.com

what was mardigras.com priced at?

recently I lost out on animeclub.com(8),xxxmodel.com(3),and more.
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08-09-2004, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by Mike AI

I also missed domains at good prices like mardigras.com

we had it at one point
than i found out i cant spell

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08-09-2004, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by Taboo
So who are the heavyweights in the domain industry? i'm not talking about just those who grab the most drops, I mean who else has healthy portfolios. everyone, please help me compile a list. in no particular order, and some may not belong anymore. I only chose to reveal those who don't fly under the radar. Everyone below makes it well known what's in their portfolios, if they don't, I didn't mention their domains.

+ National A-1
+ BuyDomains.com
+ FMA.com / Elequa
+ Chena.com
+ DomainDeluxe.com
+ DotcomAgency.com
+ eRealEstate.com/Webfather
+ Slav
+ Mail.com, just down down their email list and you'll see. I remember when they tried to IPO an incubator called World.com
+ Communicate.com
+ Reflex
+ MostWantedDomains.com
+ AVM?
+ CNET, gotta respect a company that owns/licenses: tv.com, radio.com, news.com, shopper.com, mp3.com, gamecenter.com, download.com, community.com
+ Digimedia.com, they've got lots more than they reveal on their site and they won't sell me a damn thing.
+ Yahoo. Yes, yahoo. own/buy domains to keep their competitors at bay.
+ Disney. always on a buying spree for potential projects that may get greenlit. always buying amazing domains. very large and healthy portfolio.

former kings, but still visionaries:
+ WebMagic(.com), who developed/ipo'd: Toys.com, Cooking.com, Sports.com, Auctions.com, Collectibles.com, Sales.com, Pets.com
+ Idealab, they sold some to FMA, but at one time owned or still own evolution.com, research.com (fma), tools.com, ebusiness.com, goto.com (now overture), incubated eToys/Toys.com, Pets.com, Cooking.com, and countless others.

ok, I'm sure I missed a lot, help me add to it.

Good list

Add: Innovation HQ.
Add: Alex Lerman
Add: Digimedia.com * REALLY GOOD NAMES
Add: CES Marketing
Add: WebQuest
Add: Infospace

My minds blurry right now.

I'll think of more later.

Best portfolio goes to Mr(.com) Cool(.com) Elequa

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08-09-2004, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by Taboo
So who are the heavyweights in the domain industry? i'm not talking about just those who grab the most drops, I mean who else has healthy portfolios. everyone, please help me compile a list. in no particular order, and some may not belong anymore. I only chose to reveal those who don't fly under the radar. Everyone below makes it well known what's in their portfolios, if they don't, I didn't mention their domains.

+ National A-1
+ BuyDomains.com
+ FMA.com / Elequa
+ Chena.com
+ DomainDeluxe.com
+ DotcomAgency.com
+ eRealEstate.com/Webfather
+ Slav
+ Mail.com, just down down their email list and you'll see. I remember when they tried to IPO an incubator called World.com
+ Communicate.com
+ Reflex
+ MostWantedDomains.com
+ AVM?
+ CNET, gotta respect a company that owns/licenses: tv.com, radio.com, news.com, shopper.com, mp3.com, gamecenter.com, download.com, community.com
+ Digimedia.com, they've got lots more than they reveal on their site and they won't sell me a damn thing.
+ Yahoo. Yes, yahoo. own/buy domains to keep their competitors at bay.
+ Disney. always on a buying spree for potential projects that may get greenlit. always buying amazing domains. very large and healthy portfolio.

former kings, but still visionaries:
+ WebMagic(.com), who developed/ipo'd: Toys.com, Cooking.com, Sports.com, Auctions.com, Collectibles.com, Sales.com, Pets.com
+ Idealab, they sold some to FMA, but at one time owned or still own evolution.com, research.com (fma), tools.com, ebusiness.com, goto.com (now overture), incubated eToys/Toys.com, Pets.com, Cooking.com, and countless others.

ok, I'm sure I missed a lot, help me add to it.

I would take off AVM and add EasyLink.
Mail.com leases many of its domains from EasyLink.

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08-09-2004, 06:43 PM

Others:

P Gordon
Yoshiki Okada
Chris Black

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08-09-2004, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by slavdogg
we had it at one point
than i found out i cant spell

i've been there before. you made me go double check my mardi gras domains. I own MardiGrasOnline.com & SpringBreakOnline.com - i wanted to use them for travel sites, but the porn devils keep whispering in my ear.
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08-09-2004, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by nametower
Good list

Add: Innovation HQ.
Add: Alex Lerman
Add: Digimedia.com * REALLY GOOD NAMES
Add: CES Marketing
Add: WebQuest
Add: Infospace

My minds blurry right now.

I'll think of more later.

Best portfolio goes to Mr(.com) Cool(.com) Elequa

thanks. i knew I forgot lots. anyone remember the Korean company/companies?

oh, yeah, another one:

ULTIMATE SEARCH.
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08-09-2004, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by Steen2
I would take off AVM and add EasyLink.
Mail.com leases many of its domains from EasyLink.

yeah, i forgot they sold the mail.com division and renamed easylink after their stock tanked. god, I got burned on that stock. lol.
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08-09-2004, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by Steen2
Others:

P Gordon
Yoshiki Okada
Chris Black

links? examples?
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08-09-2004, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by Taboo
links? examples?

P Gordon - http://www.whois.sc/reverse-ip/204.228.229.169 (thousands)
Yoshiki- Many 3 letter .coms (NNN.com)
Chris- Weed.com among others (I think weed.com may have been sold recently, not sure)

The previous two may not be suitable for the "top domain holders" but P Gordon sure is.

About UltSearch, they are #1 or 2 in quantity, and have some great names (3g.com etc).

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08-09-2004, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by minimouse
and I'm looking forever for a big tits related domain.. can some of you big guys show me the way to a good big tits related domain..
got the cash show me the names.

ICQ: 54079298

BoobJobs.com
got the domain, show me your tits!

just kidding... about the tits. but you have to offer me much more than the cosmetic surgeons have offered. but I found a way to MILK it. also got PenisEnlargements.com, I like the sound of that one, it just GREW on me.
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08-09-2004, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by Steen2
P Gordon - http://www.whois.sc/reverse-ip/204.228.229.169 (thousands)
Yoshiki- Many 3 letter .coms (NNN.com)
Chris- Weed.com among others (I think weed.com may have been sold recently, not sure)

The previous two may not be suitable for the "top domain holders" but P Gordon sure is.

About UltSearch, they are #1 or 2 in quantity, and have some great names (3g.com etc).

thanks. i tried to buy some domains from UltSearch and it took forever for a reply, so long that i had forgotten i emailed them, and then when I asked how much, it was lot higher than I thought. LOT higher, i thought $4-5k, but they wanted $35k for the name. but they know what they're doing and I can only learn from them.
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08-09-2004, 07:08 PM

Originally posted by Taboo
thanks. i tried to buy some domains from UltSearch and it took forever for a reply, so long that i had forgotten i emailed them, and then when I asked how much, it was lot higher than I thought. LOT higher, i thought $4-5k, but they wanted $35k for the name. but they know what they're doing and I can only learn from them.

Their game is traffic monetization.

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08-09-2004, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by SomeCreep
Early on was 1997. Nowadays the market is fierce and already dominated by a couple dozen big players

One of the first lessons of business my friend.

As guys become big players they get fat, rich, and lazy. I've seen this happen over and over. Its remarkable but true.

While they are out playing on their yachts, traveling all over, having fun and crusing around in their Ferraris it gives the lean, hungry, and diligent young and new guys a chance to grab opportunities that get overlooked by these big dinosaurs whose heads are up so high they can't always see everything right under their noses.

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08-09-2004, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by minimouse
and I'm looking forever for a big tits related domain.. can some of you big guys show me the way to a good big tits related domain..
got the cash show me the names.

ICQ: 54079298

What kind of price range are you looking at?

People always say "I've got cash" and so often they're just still looking for domains under a grand.

You guys that do this need to quantify your statements more precisely.

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08-09-2004, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by KRL
One of the first lessons of business my friend.

As guys become big players they get fat, rich, and lazy. I've seen this happen over and over. Its remarkable but true.

While they are out playing on their yachts, traveling all over, having fun and crusing around in their Ferraris it gives the lean, hungry, and diligent young and new guys a chance to grab opportunities that get overlooked by these big dinosaurs whose heads are up so high they can't always see everything right under their noses.

So true.

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08-09-2004, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by KRL
One of the first lessons of business my friend.

As guys become big players they get fat, rich, and lazy. I've seen this happen over and over. Its remarkable but true.

While they are out playing on their yachts, traveling all over, having fun and crusing around in their Ferraris it gives the lean, hungry, and diligent young and new guys a chance to grab opportunities that get overlooked by these big dinosaurs whose heads are up so high they can't always see everything right under their noses.

well said.

but are you one of the "young & hungry" or one of the "big dinosaurs"?
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08-09-2004, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by Taboo
well said.

but are you one of the "young & hungry" or one of the "big dinosaurs"?

Since I only have about 1,000 domains, I don't think that puts me in the dinosaur league yet.

Even though my whole portfolio is worth quite a lot now.

But I know there are some guys with over 100,000 domains, so compared to them I'm somewhere lower down the ladder for sure.

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08-09-2004, 07:35 PM

Originally posted by KRL
Since I only have about 1,000 domains, I don't think that puts me in the dinosaur league yet.

Even though my whole portfolio is worth quite a lot now.

But I know there are some guys with over 100,000 domains, so compared to them I'm somewhere lower down the ladder for sure.

like everyone says, quality over quantity anyday.
the guys w/ 100,000 domains would love to trade them to CNET for 5 of their premiums.
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08-09-2004, 07:45 PM

Steen2, I noticed you trying to sell some domains in another thread. you're missing out on a great opportunity with creamers.com - don't waste your time trying to unload it on gfy for only 4fig.

Sell it for much more to:
Deanfoods.com / suizafoods.com

//
Dean Foods Company, Inc.
Producer of a wide variety of private label, non-dairy coffee creamers and dairy sold to the retail, foodservice, international, industrial, vending and office coffee service markets.
//
see that "private label" line. That's your meal ticket. Your domain is generically perfect for them to acquire so they can own that category and use when marketing to their clientele. show them how they can dominate their market by owning creamers.com - and I'm sure they have competitors who want the domain. spend a week doing DEEP research, learn their industry lingo & buzzwords, be part of their tribe and sell the name for high5fig.

don't sell yourself short. fantastic domain name.
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08-09-2004, 07:49 PM

Steen2, if you don't want to sell it, I'll sell it for you and do 100% of the work for 50% split.

check this out:

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http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....385&highlight=

DALLAS, Aug. 4 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Dean Foods Company (NYSE: DF) today announced plans to consolidate its three branded businesses: White Wave, Horizon Organic and the Dean National Brand Group. The newly combined operation will be headquartered in the Boulder, Colo. area and is expected to have 2004 revenue of approximately $1.1 billion. The change is intended to enable the consolidated company to capture the full potential of its rapidly growing brands, to better serve its customers, leverage its scale, and increase profitability over time. Steve Demos, founder and president of White Wave, will serve as president of the newly consolidated company, and will continue to report to Gregg Engles, chairman and chief executive officer of Dean Foods. The consolidation is anticipated to be complete by late 2005.......

//

now read this:

//
"In addition to allowing us to leverage our scale and increase profitability, combining the three businesses will enable us to increase our investment in marketing and innovation,"
//

billion dollar suitor. public company. sell it for cash + stock.

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08-09-2004, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by Taboo
Steen2, I noticed you trying to sell some domains in another thread. you're missing out on a great opportunity with creamers.com - don't waste your time trying to unload it on gfy for only 4fig.

Sell it for much more to:
Deanfoods.com / suizafoods.com

//
Dean Foods Company, Inc.
Producer of a wide variety of private label, non-dairy coffee creamers and dairy sold to the retail, foodservice, international, industrial, vending and office coffee service markets.
//
see that "private label" line. That's your meal ticket. Your domain is generically perfect for them to acquire so they can own that category and use when marketing to their clientele. show them how they can dominate their market by owning creamers.com - and I'm sure they have competitors who want the domain. spend a week doing DEEP research, learn their industry lingo & buzzwords, be part of their tribe and sell the name for high5fig.

don't sell yourself short. fantastic domain name.

LOL, I tried doing a deal on Yogurt.com. Not one of the CEO's of the 4 major yogurt mfrs. I concacted would bite at the asking price.

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08-09-2004, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by KRL
LOL, I tried doing a deal on Yogurt.com. Not one of the CEO's of the 4 major yogurt mfrs. I concacted would bite at the asking price.

Do you still own it? What's the asking price?
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08-09-2004, 08:19 PM

steen2, thanks for posting creamers.com for sale tonight.

cause you got me thinking...

which led me to my fridge...

to see who makes my GF's International Delights Creamers...

which led me to DeanFoods.com...

and reading that one press release from 08/04...

and then crosschecking hoovers, google, wsj...

which led me to these available domains...

OrganicFoodsIndustry.com
FrozenFoodsIndustry.com
FastFoodsIndustry.com
NaturalFoodsIndustry.com
SpecialtyFoodsIndustry.com

and the best one:
FoodsIndustry.com

$40 well spent.
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08-09-2004, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by KRL
LOL, I tried doing a deal on Yogurt.com. Not one of the CEO's of the 4 major yogurt mfrs. I concacted would bite at the asking price.

That was Kenn's, did you buy it from him?

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08-09-2004, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by Taboo
Steen2, I noticed you trying to sell some domains in another thread. you're missing out on a great opportunity with creamers.com - don't waste your time trying to unload it on gfy for only 4fig.

Sell it for much more to:
Deanfoods.com / suizafoods.com

//
Dean Foods Company, Inc.
Producer of a wide variety of private label, non-dairy coffee creamers and dairy sold to the retail, foodservice, international, industrial, vending and office coffee service markets.
//
see that "private label" line. That's your meal ticket. Your domain is generically perfect for them to acquire so they can own that category and use when marketing to their clientele. show them how they can dominate their market by owning creamers.com - and I'm sure they have competitors who want the domain. spend a week doing DEEP research, learn their industry lingo & buzzwords, be part of their tribe and sell the name for high5fig.
don't sell yourself short. fantastic domain name.

Taboo,

Although having Procter and Gamble on line 2 and Microsoft on voice mail does sound very appealing, I really wouldn't know where to start. Ya got ICQ? Would love to chat with you.

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08-09-2004, 08:38 PM

Taboo, what do you think about 1 word domains that aren't really words, but are very brandable?

For example: think of words like google.com, it's not really a word, but it's very brandable (obvious today, but not so obvious a few years ago when the search engine didn't exist).

I own some domains that are 1 word, but at the moment these words have no meaning. However, they would make great brand names because they're very original and they sound nice.

Do you know anyone who buys/sells these kind of domains?

I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do,
I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.
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08-09-2004, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by Taboo
first thing you need to do is take hentai.co.uk off afternic and point it to a hentai sponsor asap and let it sit.

Preapproved.co.uk, market it to Credit card / banks asap.

also, FitScience.com is too cheap. you'll think I'm crazy, but add another zero and negotiate down from there. why? i know there's not much if any type-in etc, but for the fitness/health industry, you could flip it if you spent 60 days contacting ppl. take it off afternic and throw some fitness links/news feeds on it before you look for suitors. you've got nothing to lose at this point. it is a very brandable domain and can be used for ppl products/food/supplements and even pet industry. in fact, price it at $100,000 when you shop it around and work it far down to where you're very happy. let them pay you in small annual payments if nothing else. you only want $300-$1500 for it. ask for $1,000 a year for 20 years if that makes you happy. you don't always need to sell domains, when you can license them. contact GNC, weider, nautilus, metrx, atkins, etc.

Thanks for the input, Taboo. I'll definitely take you up on your advice. Out of curiosity, what do you think of innuendos.com?

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08-09-2004, 08:49 PM

Originally posted by BRISK

I own some domains that are 1 word, but at the moment these words have no meaning. However, they would make great brand names because they're very original and they sound nice.

Do you know anyone who buys/sells these kind of domains?

I'm interested if they are good. Not yobleio.com but nevera.com or well flowing domains.

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08-09-2004, 08:49 PM

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Taboo,

Although having Procter and Gamble on line 2 and Microsoft on voice mail does sound very appealing, I really wouldn't know where to start. Ya got ICQ? Would love to chat with you.

sponsorcash |@| mail | .com

i'm going to sleep soon. but we can discuss it more. send me your contact info/email. i'm interested.
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08-09-2004, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by Steen2
I'm interested if they are good. Not yobleio.com but nevera.com or well flowing domains.

Oh they flow baby! That's why I bought them

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08-09-2004, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by Steen2
That was Kenn's, did you buy it from him?

No, he asked me if I knew anyone that would be interested and I contacted several CEO's.

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08-09-2004, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by KRL
No, he asked me if I knew anyone that would be interested and I contacted several CEO's.

Gotcha.

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08-09-2004, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by BRISK
Taboo, what do you think about 1 word domains that aren't really words, but are very brandable?

For example: think of words like google.com, it's not really a word, but it's very brandable (obvious today, but not so obvious a few years ago when the search engine didn't exist).

I own some domains that are 1 word, but at the moment these words have no meaning. However, they would make great brand names because they're very original and they sound nice.

Do you know anyone who buys/sells these kind of domains?

Buys? yes. Corporate america, Drug/Pharma, etc. They hire "established" naming firms for 6-7 figures to come up with names like this... check google for naming firms, look at their portfolios and if you say to yourself, "I can do that!" then you give it a shot. But remember you MUST check the uspto.gov trademark database first, then if you have the cash, buy a TM for the name you invented. So when you have clients, they are buying your IP and you can't get backstabbed. Plus having the complete package, Domain + TM, is more attractive for them.

but read the "About Us" or "How we name" sections of the naming firms websites and learn the lingo, the process, etc. Companies will want to see anywhere from 10-100+ names before they decide, and expect you to explain what the name "means", what you were thinking when you coined it. lol.

there is a big market for this, very cutthroat in the naming world. but you can run a successful one person operation. some firms only "name" once a year, and companies line up to buy/bid on that one "name". no joke.
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08-09-2004, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by Taboo
also consider making your own line of exclusive perfumes. easy to manufacture now, lots of small players are entering that industry and doing very well. because of their small production runs, the perfumes sell for a high premium in boutiques. i've got an idea for two, including the domains/marketing concept, so we should talk. check out google for the story on the entrepreneur who invented the cologne: MONEY

Hi,

Good idea there on making your own line and branding it out. To be ohnest, I don't know much about the industry, except for some trade mags, pricing points, etc. We will be starting with about 5k products, perfumes, colognes, gift sets, candles, etc.

I guess me and the team will learn quick in 1996 I didn't know alot about sextoys either, but did ok running the stores

After this, gotta get going quick on our new cookie store, cookieshop.com

I think I can brand that real well and do pretty good with it, well hopefully

let's chat sometime, [email protected]

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08-09-2004, 09:10 PM

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Buys? yes. Corporate america, Drug/Pharma, etc. They hire "established" naming firms for 6-7 figures to come up with names like this... check google for naming firms, look at their portfolios and if you say to yourself, "I can do that!" then you give it a shot. But remember you MUST check the uspto.gov trademark database first, then if you have the cash, buy a TM for the name you invented. So when you have clients, they are buying your IP and you can't get backstabbed. Plus having the complete package, Domain + TM, is more attractive for them.

but read the "About Us" or "How we name" sections of the naming firms websites and learn the lingo, the process, etc. Companies will want to see anywhere from 10-100+ names before they decide, and expect you to explain what the name "means", what you were thinking when you coined it. lol.

there is a big market for this, very cutthroat in the naming world. but you can run a successful one person operation. some firms only "name" once a year, and companies line up to buy/bid on that one "name". no joke.

Thanks for the info, I'm not looking to start a naming company myself, I just own some 1 word domains that would make great brand names like Viagra, Pentium, or Sonoma.

My plan is to just keep them until I can get a rediculous price, but I'd like to get the word out there in the naming industry that I own these names and I'm entertaining offers.

I'll definitely be trademarking the names.

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08-09-2004, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by Taboo
Buys? yes. Corporate america, Drug/Pharma, etc. They hire "established" naming firms for 6-7 figures to come up with names like this... check google for naming firms, look at their portfolios and if you say to yourself, "I can do that!" then you give it a shot. But remember you MUST check the uspto.gov trademark database first, then if you have the cash, buy a TM for the name you invented. So when you have clients, they are buying your IP and you can't get backstabbed. Plus having the complete package, Domain + TM, is more attractive for them.

but read the "About Us" or "How we name" sections of the naming firms websites and learn the lingo, the process, etc. Companies will want to see anywhere from 10-100+ names before they decide, and expect you to explain what the name "means", what you were thinking when you coined it. lol.

there is a big market for this, very cutthroat in the naming world. but you can run a successful one person operation. some firms only "name" once a year, and companies line up to buy/bid on that one "name". no joke.

I was interested in this also. Thanks for the info.
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08-09-2004, 09:15 PM

brisk,

re: creative naming

one thing you can do to get established is come up with a name, trademark it, find an art student, or cheap logo firm to make 3 logos for it and market it to BIG companies, i.e. Drug Industry, but offer it for free. tell them what you're doing, that you're trying to get established and build a resume, and that if they truly like the "name", they can have it, but you want a testimonial from them that you can show on your website that they took possession of the name/tm from you. have an ironclad contract. and offer the whole bundle to them for free. you've spent well under $1,000, maybe under $500 and now on your client list is a Fortune 1000 company. Then you have pseudo-experience under your belt... and start calling their competitors and offering up your services as the new maverick naming company for the Drug industry. We just opened shop and already hired by BLAH BLAH...

if you plan to do it w/o getting trademarks, you risk EVERYTHING. that whole creative naming industry is all about intellectual property and if you tease a company with your domain name, the first thing they'll do is see if it's TM yet, and if not, it will be soon. by them.
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08-09-2004, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by Taboo
brisk,

re: creative naming

one thing you can do to get established is come up with a name, trademark it, find an art student, or cheap logo firm to make 3 logos for it and market it to BIG companies, i.e. Drug Industry, but offer it for free. tell them what you're doing, that you're trying to get established and build a resume, and that if they truly like the "name", they can have it, but you want a testimonial from them that you can show on your website that they took possession of the name/tm from you. have an ironclad contract. and offer the whole bundle to them for free. you've spent well under $1,000, maybe under $500 and now on your client list is a Fortune 1000 company. Then you have pseudo-experience under your belt... and start calling their competitors and offering up your services as the new maverick naming company for the Drug industry. We just opened shop and already hired by BLAH BLAH...

if you plan to do it w/o getting trademarks, you risk EVERYTHING. that whole creative naming industry is all about intellectual property and if you tease a company with your domain name, the first thing they'll do is see if it's TM yet, and if not, it will be soon. by them.

Good points, although I'm not interested in starting a naming company myself.

Something I've wondered about before is what would happen if I registered a one word domain in 1998, but didn't do anything with it, then in 2004 some company got the trademark for that word, could they force me to give up the domain even though I owned it years before they got the trademark?

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08-09-2004, 09:26 PM

By the way, what is the best domain back-order service? snapnames?

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08-09-2004, 09:27 PM

re: creative naming:

I had to find my file...

these guys are famous and in demand:
http://www.ahundredmonkeys.com/

they are so good that they even link to their competition:

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Our naming and branding competitors
A lot of branding companies talk a good game. So how did they approach the most important naming problem they ever faced?
http://www.ahundredmonkeys.com/naming-companies.htm

//

(get it? the most important thing should be naming their own naming firm and most of the naming firms have blase, bland, generic, everyday names)

all your research can be done on that page with links to 30+ firms. and to all domainers, don't grab any domains that these guys drop because they're all TM and these firms are EXTREMELY litigious. for some of them, it's their business model. drop a TM domain and sue to win it back. why? PR. "our name is so great that we had to sue a hacker to get back the domain they stole."

but the paydays are huge. Altria, Nexium, Alavert, Claritin, Clarinex.. most likely 7 figures+ paycheck
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08-09-2004, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by BRISK
Thanks for the info, I'm not looking to start a naming company myself, I just own some 1 word domains that would make great brand names like Viagra, Pentium, or Sonoma.

My plan is to just keep them until I can get a rediculous price, but I'd like to get the word out there in the naming industry that I own these names and I'm entertaining offers.

I'll definitely be trademarking the names.

let me make this clear for you... what you just described is a NAMING firm. Companies approach naming firms that present their portfolio of names that may be years old, but never BRANDED yet. If you contact naming firms, they'll never present your name to a client because that's less money for them and you are INSULTING their artistic vision by interrupting the creative process. or the naming firm will take you domain, switch some letters around and WOW, they've got a brand new name to sell. naming firms will think of new names for a client that has already gone thru the list of current names and hasn't found one yet...
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08-09-2004, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by Taboo
re: creative naming:

I had to find my file...

these guys are famous and in demand:
http://www.ahundredmonkeys.com/

they are so good that they even link to their competition:

//
Our naming and branding competitors
A lot of branding companies talk a good game. So how did they approach the most important naming problem they ever faced?
http://www.ahundredmonkeys.com/naming-companies.htm

//

... TEXT DELETED ...

but the paydays are huge. Altria, Nexium, Alavert, Claritin, Clarinex.. most likely 7 figures+ paycheck

That's who will buy SexEducation.com/net/org/tv
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08-09-2004, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by BRISK
By the way, what is the best domain back-order service? snapnames?

www.eNom.com and www.Pool.com

Something I've wondered about before is what would happen if I registered a one word domain in 1998, but didn't do anything with it, then in 2004 some company got the trademark for that word, could they force me to give up the domain even though I owned it years before they got the trademark?

It al depends on how you use the domain. According to the UDRP you SHOULD be able to register googlesearch.com 10 years ago and start up a search engine this year, HOWEVER, in WIPO cases it really depends on how you use the domain right now, or how you used the domain.

This is what I think is true, and I am not a lawyer, and this isn't legal advice.

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Taboo, I will send off an email tonight/tomorrow,
Thanks!

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08-09-2004, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by BRISK
Good points, although I'm not interested in starting a naming company myself.

Something I've wondered about before is what would happen if I registered a one word domain in 1998, but didn't do anything with it, then in 2004 some company got the trademark for that word, could they force me to give up the domain even though I owned it years before they got the trademark?

of course, they'll threaten to sue you if they plan to start branding it. then you, your lawyer, their lawyers will talk.
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08-09-2004, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by BRISK
By the way, what is the best domain back-order service? snapnames?

pool.com
namewinner.com
enom.com

snapnames works when it works but you pay even if it doesn't work. you end up getting a credit to apply to another domain.
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08-09-2004, 09:43 PM

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snapnames works when it works but you pay even if it doesn't work. you end up getting a credit to apply to another domain.

Taboo,
Snapnames changed to a fee-less auction model today.

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08-09-2004, 09:44 PM

good night all. i'll catch up tomorrow.
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08-09-2004, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by Steen2
It al depends on how you use the domain. According to the UDRP you SHOULD be able to register googlesearch.com 10 years ago and start up a search engine this year, HOWEVER, in WIPO cases it really depends on how you use the domain right now, or how you used the domain.

Do you know of any cases where this has happened before?

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