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  • Turboface
    Back in Black
    • Mar 2002
    • 9976
    #1

    The US Supreme Court outlaws P2P programs!

    http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...7/tc_zd/154878

    Just how serious is this? Not only is this a huge step towards government control over the internet, but it also fucks up a mainstream affiliate program that I am working on, that I was going to have a legal P2P program to promote there.

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    • warlock5
      Confirmed User
      • Jan 2004
      • 2808
      #2
      It just makes pretty much any tech company liable to be sued. It doesn't really mean shit to all the P2P companies outside of the US or all the open source P2P apps. Fuck, Sharman Networks, the guys who own Kazaa, are spread between something like 3 or 4 different countries.
      Last edited by warlock5; 06-27-2005, 02:39 PM.

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        • mockingbich
          Confirmed User
          • Feb 2004
          • 274
          #3
          Damn these judges are completely out of control

          They also decided this week that the government can confiscate your property if Walmart wants to build a superstore where your house is

          Fucking traitors

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            • xlogger
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              • Jul 2004
              • 9507
              #4
              nothing will happen..

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                • crockett
                  in a van by the river
                  • May 2003
                  • 76818
                  #5
                  So does that mean they are going to hold ISP liable as well for newsgroups?
                  In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                    • Paul Waters
                      Confirmed User
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 4402
                      #6
                      Perhaps you should read the ruling again.

                      The case was sent back to the lower court for consideration again. The lower court is directed to consider whether the product was ***marketed*** as a tool to share copywriten material. Which the Supremes ruled was actionable by copywrite holders.

                      This is not a challenge to the Sony decision when the courts ruled that substantial legal use made the vendor immune from lawsuits about illegal use.


                      Paul

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                        • FilthyRob
                          Confirmed User
                          • Feb 2004
                          • 6741
                          #7
                          They won't be happy until we are back to mailing letters and watching TV all day.

                          I think they want no more internet.
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                            • xxxjay
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                              • Aug 2002
                              • 13482
                              #8
                              IRC, newsgroups?

                              I don't like this...

                              "The decision also overturns a precedent set by the seminal 1984 Sony vs. Universal, or the "Betamax," case, in which the high court ruled that recording hardware manufacturers could not be held responsible for how individuals use their products."

                              Hopefully sundance vs reno is a stronger case.
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                                • dready
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                                  • Oct 2002
                                  • 5247
                                  #9
                                  Next they'll say a company like Dell is liable because people use their computers to download pirate content.
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                                    • opflix
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                                      • Jul 2002
                                      • 1428
                                      #10
                                      damn.... i thought this was a joke




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                                        • warlock5
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Jan 2004
                                          • 2808
                                          #11
                                          Now that I'm a copyright holder myself this stuff doesn't bother me nearly as much as it used to.

                                          Think they can use immenent domain to reposses domain names?

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                                            • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                              • Mar 2003
                                              • 30307
                                              #12
                                              Supreme court is throwing Journalists in jail to...

                                              freedom of the press is dead.

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                                                • Dildozer
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                                                  • Jul 2002
                                                  • 7519
                                                  #13
                                                  America is starting to look more and more like a fascist regime. , you idiot americans fucked yourselves up the ass again
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                                                    • Tony Montana
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Jan 2005
                                                      • 794
                                                      #14
                                                      So microsoft would be accountable also? We can download download movies and music also with their software (windows / outlook / ie).
                                                      It seams so braud, I bet it will get reversed when some major companies get involved.
                                                      I am a marketing Genius.

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                                                        • Serge Litehead
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                          • 5190
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by crockett
                                                          So does that mean they are going to hold ISP liable as well for newsgroups?
                                                          newsgroups are not p2p
                                                          but since we dont see much of copyright infrigments on the www, like during wild-west times of the early web, most likely usenet will be regulated as well at some point, not sure how it will be aproached though.

                                                          I'm actually glad that they put a stop sign for p2p, the lesser free crap there is the more money to be made. less spy/scam ware also.
                                                          obviously it wont get rid of file-sharing completely, it will just move it back to undergound which isn't bad IMO.

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                                                            • Turboface
                                                              Back in Black
                                                              • Mar 2002
                                                              • 9976
                                                              #16
                                                              From what I can gather from the reports on the news here, it seems that Hollywood has just been given the green light to sue the creators of file sharing programs that encourage illegal downloads.

                                                              I wonder how this would relate to branded file sharing software. I also wonder if a disclaimer would be enough to show that you are not 'encouraging' it.
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                                                                • fris
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                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                  • 55730
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by Turboface
                                                                  http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...7/tc_zd/154878

                                                                  Just how serious is this? Not only is this a huge step towards government control over the internet, but it also fucks up a mainstream affiliate program that I am working on, that I was going to have a legal P2P program to promote there.

                                                                  i guess i wont be able to download 100 meg college fuck fest videos anymore
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                                                                    • $5 submissions
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                                                                      • Nov 2003
                                                                      • 32189
                                                                      #18
                                                                      They did not outlaw the technology. They outlawed the creation and promotion of such technology if the aim is to promote/foster/knowingly enable copyright infrigngment. Actually, the holding is not surprising (hence the 9-0 breakdown) since it just stated the obvious anti-infringment corollary of the landmark Betamax case of the 80s.

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                                                                        • 3piece chicken Dinner
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Jan 2005
                                                                          • 1065
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Yeah I agree with the mob here.. OUTLAWING THEFT IS A VIOLATION OF MY CIVIL RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS>
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                                                                            • Why
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                                                                              • Mar 2003
                                                                              • 7230
                                                                              #20
                                                                              well that was predictable.

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                                                                                • Tat2Jr
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                                                                                  • Feb 2001
                                                                                  • 4882
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  The Supreme Court really dropped some bombs this week.
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                                                                                      • Nov 2003
                                                                                      • 32189
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Why
                                                                                      well that was predictable.
                                                                                      Exactly. There's no surprise there. It just highlighted COMMON SENSE implications that arose from the 80s Betamax case.

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                                                                                        • Code_Havoc
                                                                                          Registered User
                                                                                          • Jun 2005
                                                                                          • 221
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by Tony Montana
                                                                                          So microsoft would be accountable also? We can download download movies and music also with their software (windows / outlook / ie).
                                                                                          It seams so braud, I bet it will get reversed when some major companies get involved.
                                                                                          Companies like Microsoft are exempt from laws in America dude, they don't got shit to worry about.

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                                                                                            • MetaMan
                                                                                              I AM WEB 2.0
                                                                                              • Jan 2003
                                                                                              • 28682
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              the is fucking terrible, i cannot believe the idiocy of the usa government,

                                                                                              this will not fully stop anything, everything will just be moved offshore, the usa gov't is trying to take over the internet, its only soon that they will even tell americans what they can surf and when.

                                                                                              thank god i stayed in canada.

                                                                                              ok so then they are going to target gun companies next because they are the reason for murders that involve a gun?
                                                                                              Last edited by MetaMan; 06-27-2005, 04:31 PM.

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                                                                                                • GatorB
                                                                                                  The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                                  • Oct 2001
                                                                                                  • 18208
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by $5 submissions
                                                                                                  They did not outlaw the technology. They outlawed the creation and promotion of such technology if the aim is to promote/foster/knowingly enable copyright infrigngment.
                                                                                                  Ssssshhhhhhhh. You're confusing the masses with FACTS. Only ones pissed are people too cheap to pay 79¢ for fricken song.

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                                                                                                    • Babagirls
                                                                                                      Text Writer
                                                                                                      • Feb 2001
                                                                                                      • 18812
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by mockingbich
                                                                                                      Damn these judges are completely out of control

                                                                                                      They also decided this week that the government can confiscate your property if Walmart wants to build a superstore where your house is

                                                                                                      Fucking traitors
                                                                                                      decided this week? shit, they just did that a couple months ago out here in the country. they had nice houses spray paint all over them marked to be demolished.

                                                                                                      the new walmart opens July 7th.




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                                                                                                        • nofx
                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                          • Nov 2002
                                                                                                          • 16826
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by warlock5
                                                                                                          It just makes pretty much any tech company liable to be sued. It doesn't really mean shit to all the P2P companies outside of the US or all the open source P2P apps. Fuck, Sharman Networks, the guys who own Kazaa, are spread between something like 3 or 4 different countries.
                                                                                                          he has his servers in Estonia I believe. Estonia law is strict about giving up info to other gov's

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                                                                                                            • TheDoc
                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                                                              • 13827
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              This is a good thing.. Gets rid of warez, cp, and all that other bs that shows up on those networks.
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                                                                                                                • gornyhuy
                                                                                                                  Chafed.
                                                                                                                  • May 2002
                                                                                                                  • 18041
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  I gotta go... this place is getting more fucked up by the second.

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                                                                                                                    • MetaMan
                                                                                                                      I AM WEB 2.0
                                                                                                                      • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                      • 28682
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                                                                                      This is a good thing.. Gets rid of warez, cp, and all that other bs that shows up on those networks.

                                                                                                                      yes gov't regulation rules!

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                                                                                                                        • reynold
                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                          • 51271
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          This country is heading downward..

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                                                                                                                            • kektex
                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                              • Mar 2005
                                                                                                                              • 1813
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Some have already mentioned it but it only endangers those P2P apps that are promoted for illegal uses.
                                                                                                                              For example bittorrent was never promoted for downloading movies and in fact it started out as a great way to distribute Linux ISO`s and other legal content.The fact that it can be used for illegal uses does not endanger BT`s creator.
                                                                                                                              Still,the USA is looking more and more like a police state very quickly.Shit like the DMCA,Patriot Act is scary stuff...and this is coming from a guy living in venezuela where we have an authoritarian fuck for a president.
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                                                                                                                                • broke
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                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                                  • 4501
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by MetaMan
                                                                                                                                  yes gov't regulation rules!
                                                                                                                                  It rules like goverment rationing of health care...

                                                                                                                                  Last edited by broke; 06-27-2005, 05:48 PM.
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                                                                                                                                    • Turboface
                                                                                                                                      Back in Black
                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                                      • 9976
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      RIAA Slaps Hundreds of P2P File Sharers with Lawsuits.

                                                                                                                                      RIAA didn't waste too much time, eh?

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                                                                                                                                        • Laidback Bas
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                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2005
                                                                                                                                          • 45
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Turboface
                                                                                                                                          RIAA Slaps Hundreds of P2P File Sharers with Lawsuits.

                                                                                                                                          RIAA didn't waste too much time, eh?

                                                                                                                                          That has nothing to do with this event. They've been doing that to P2P users for a while and I agree with it.

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                                                                                                                                            • Turboface
                                                                                                                                              Back in Black
                                                                                                                                              • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                                              • 9976
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Laidback Bas
                                                                                                                                              That has nothing to do with this event.
                                                                                                                                              Hard on the heels of a partial victory for music and movie studios before the U.S. Supreme Court earlier this week, the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) has continued to pressure consumers who it says illegally swap music, filing a new batch of more than 700 copyright infringement lawsuits.
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                                                                                                                                                • media
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                                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2002
                                                                                                                                                  • 9853
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Thats great.. me and my co-worker here were just talking about this..

                                                                                                                                                  Should Craftsman be liable if a person stabs someone with a screwdriver because it was sharp enough to be used as a murder weapon??

                                                                                                                                                  Should there be warning labels on tooth brushes that state not to sharpen and use as a shank in prison?

                                                                                                                                                  Give me a fucking break.. people are responsible for their OWN actions... Mis-using something that is intended as something to share information is the persons own damn fault..

                                                                                                                                                  Maybe they should sue microsoft next because you can make digital music files off a cd for playback on your computer!!! Ohhhhh heaven forbid!

                                                                                                                                                  What a crock of shit...
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                                                                                                                                                    • Laidback Bas
                                                                                                                                                      Registered User
                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2005
                                                                                                                                                      • 45
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Turboface
                                                                                                                                                      Hard on the heels of a partial victory for music and movie studios before the U.S. Supreme Court earlier this week, the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) has continued to pressure consumers who it says illegally swap music, filing a new batch of more than 700 copyright infringement lawsuits.
                                                                                                                                                      However, the new batch of 785 suits do not rely on that ruling, instead are part of a lengthy and controversial campaign by the RIAA and more recently its movie counterpart, the Motion Picture Association of America Latest News about Motion Picture Association of America, to sue individuals they believe are receiving or sharing copyrighted material without paying for it.

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                                                                                                                                                        • Turboface
                                                                                                                                                          Back in Black
                                                                                                                                                          • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                                                          • 9976
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Laidback Bas
                                                                                                                                                          However, the new batch of 785 suits do not rely on that ruling, instead are part of a lengthy and controversial campaign by the RIAA and more recently its movie counterpart, the Motion Picture Association of America Latest News about Motion Picture Association of America, to sue individuals they believe are receiving or sharing copyrighted material without paying for it.
                                                                                                                                                          Considering the large number of individuals named at once in these lawsuits I think the RIAA is trying to drive home a message. It?s timing with the favorable Supreme Court ruling helps the RIAA to scare the hell out of individuals in order to persuade them to begin downloading music legally. Though the fight so far has been based on the individual, the Supreme Court ruling now puts P2P services in the sights of organizations like the RIAA. If there are no P2P services I guess there couldn?t be individuals infringing on copyrights.

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