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Your sponsor redirecting non USA traffic, think twice, stats inside of CC joins

08-06-2004, 01:50 PM

For my PERSONAL ref stats, I looked up the subscriber info over the last 48 hours. And I noticed MANY joins from outside the USA.

All sales were made by ccbill btw. And my personal traffic is mainly TGP+linklist+SE, also in this order

Here they are...

1 Australia
2 Australia
3 Australia
4 Australia
5 Australia
6 Australia
7 Australia
8 Australia
9 Canada
10 Canada
11 Canada
12 Canada
13 Canada
14 Czech Republic
15 Denmark
16 France
17 France
18 France
19 France Metropolitan
20 Germany
21 Germany
22 Germany
23 Germany
24 Germany
25 Germany
26 Germany
27 Germany
28 Germany
29 Italy
30 Japan
31 Japan
32 Japan
33 Mexico
34 Netherlands
35 Netherlands
36 NONE
37 Norway
38 Spain
39 Spain
40 Spain
41 Sweden
42 Switzerland
43 Switzerland
44 Switzerland
45 United Kingdom
46 United Kingdom
47 United Kingdom
48 United Kingdom
49 United Kingdom
50 United Kingdom
51 United Kingdom
52 United Kingdom
53 United Kingdom
54 United Kingdom
55 United Kingdom
56 United Kingdom
57 United Kingdom
58 United Kingdom
59 United Kingdom
60 United States
61 United States
62 United States
63 United States
64 United States
65 United States
66 United States
67 United States
68 United States
69 United States
70 United States
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72 United States
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111 United States
112 United States
113 United States
114 United States
115 United States
116 United States
117 United States
118 United States
119 United States
120 United States
121 United States

Just thought I share these stats with you, because they are pretty interesting IMO

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08-06-2004, 02:40 PM

Could ya put that into a nice pie chart please

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08-06-2004, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by blazin
Could ya put that into a nice pie chart please

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08-06-2004, 02:45 PM

I assume you are telling this because you have allow signups from all countries turned on in the admin area?

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08-06-2004, 02:51 PM

Would be interested in knowing how the outside the us rebill. ( number of times )
and what the charge backs come out to us V's other countries.

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08-06-2004, 02:53 PM

Your content is very european in nature as wel as your sites. Tehse cater to mroe auro tastes. North americans tend to go for meat and potatos hardcore porn and extreme hardcore. This explains why you have more 'foreign' signups than american.

Personaly I like your style of sites but stats have always shown that sites with content like yours attracts more european and australian surfers. Just as your stats are showing.
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08-06-2004, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by iwantchixx
Your content is very european in nature as wel as your sites. Tehse cater to mroe auro tastes. North americans tend to go for meat and potatos hardcore porn and extreme hardcore. This explains why you have more 'foreign' signups than american.

Personaly I like your style of sites but stats have always shown that sites with content like yours attracts more european and australian surfers. Just as your stats are showing.

Okay Actually it was not really intented as promo for our sites. I just thought it is some nice info, since most affiliates don't see this kinda stats.

Therefor we are working on a stats system, which WILL show you this info. Because IMO, more and more people are geo targetting traffic. And with the country shown where the signup is coming from, you might be able to market your traffic even better

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08-06-2004, 03:22 PM

Well, I do know that many that filter foreign traffic do not consider Canada to be foreign...in fact...not sure I know of anyone that would consider Canada to be foreign traffic. I know one sponsor that filters foreign traffic but they do get people from Canada and the United Kingdom still signing up to their program
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08-06-2004, 03:31 PM

Of course there's a lot of good foreign traffic.

A sponsor would be an idiot to redirect ALL non USA traffic.

But it's definitely a good idea to redirect certain countries' traffic.
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08-06-2004, 03:35 PM

I never understand why webmasters don't install GeoIP on their servers to max out on traffic. it is easy and it takes less than 5 minutes to install.

this way you controll your international traffic and not your sponsor.
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08-06-2004, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by blazin
Could ya put that into a nice pie chart please
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08-06-2004, 03:47 PM

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I assume you are telling this because you have allow signups from all countries turned on in the admin area?

modF, is it possible for a site owner to setup in this CCBILL interface to scrub all signups from some countries or what do you mean?

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08-06-2004, 03:59 PM

I get kick ass sales from Canada, Europe, Australia, and New Zealand

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08-06-2004, 04:17 PM

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and what the charge backs come out to us V's other countries.

That's the kicker right there. How many of those foreign signups will cancel or chargeback?

And also, a lot of the countries in that list generally aren't redirected.

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08-06-2004, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by blazin
Could ya put that into a nice pie chart please

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08-06-2004, 04:39 PM

so would anyone suggest sending UK traffic to your own
paysite rather than a dialer?

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08-06-2004, 04:55 PM

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08-06-2004, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by joshuawk
so would anyone suggest sending UK traffic to your own
paysite rather than a dialer?

I don't send UK traffic to a dialer.

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08-07-2004, 01:57 AM

Originally posted by psyko514
That's the kicker right there. How many of those foreign signups will cancel or chargeback?

And also, a lot of the countries in that list generally aren't redirected.

Chargebacks from NON USA countries are not higher then from the USA.

Also don't forget in the USA it's much easier to do a chargeback then here in The Netherlands for example. Even with fraud it's lot of work todo a chargeback.

Also USA surfers have more experience in surfing porn, and how to pay as less as possible

So to answer your question, non USA subscribers act pretty much the same (for us) then USA subscibers

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08-07-2004, 01:58 AM

Originally posted by uchase/webpry
I never understand why webmasters don't install GeoIP on their servers to max out on traffic. it is easy and it takes less than 5 minutes to install.

this way you controll your international traffic and not your sponsor.

I agree, that is the best way, since you can filter it your own way, and you don't have to rely on sponsors what they will do with your traffic.

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08-07-2004, 02:00 AM

Originally posted by joshuawk
so would anyone suggest sending UK traffic to your own
paysite rather than a dialer?

Personally I would send it to a sponsor who accepts UK traffic.
But each person has different traffic. Why not try both for one month, and see what made you most.

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08-07-2004, 07:00 AM

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Chargebacks from NON USA countries are not higher then from the USA.

Also don't forget in the USA it's much easier to do a chargeback then here in The Netherlands for example. Even with fraud it's lot of work todo a chargeback.

Also USA surfers have more experience in surfing porn, and how to pay as less as possible

So to answer your question, non USA subscribers act pretty much the same (for us) then USA subscibers

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08-07-2004, 11:16 AM

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Chargebacks from NON USA countries are not higher then from the USA.

Statistically, yes they are. The percentage of foreign countries that chargeback is a lot higher than the percentage of US/Canada/UK chargebacks.

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08-07-2004, 11:31 AM

Statistically, yes they are. The percentage of foreign countries that chargeback is a lot higher than the percentage of US/Canada/UK chargebacks.

By several percentage points and Im not talking as little as 10% either. The largest percentage of fraud by far comes from some of the areas you listed.

Also, Andre... are you processing with CCBill EU?

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08-07-2004, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
By several percentage points and Im not talking as little as 10% either. The largest percentage of fraud by far comes from some of the areas you listed.

Of course it does. Most of the signups come from there, so most of the chargebacks will come from there.

I'm saying the percentage of foreign joins that chargeback is a lot greater than the "english" joins that chargeback.

For example (and I'm just making these numbers up), 1 in 100 english joins chargeback and 1 in 40 foreign joins chargeback. The amount of foreign chargebacks is less, but the percentage that chargeback is higher.

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08-07-2004, 11:53 AM

Except japan the other countries aren't redirected most of the time

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08-07-2004, 11:54 AM

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Of course it does. Most of the signups come from there, so most of the chargebacks will come from there.

I'm saying the percentage of foreign joins that chargeback is a lot greater than the "english" joins that chargeback.

For example (and I'm just making these numbers up), 1 in 100 english joins chargeback and 1 in 40 foreign joins chargeback. The amount of foreign chargebacks is less, but the percentage that chargeback is higher.

Again, that is not nescesarry the same for every sponsor program. Also % wise the CB's are about the same(for us)

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08-07-2004, 11:54 AM

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By several percentage points and Im not talking as little as 10% either. The largest percentage of fraud by far comes from some of the areas you listed.

Also, Andre... are you processing with CCBill EU?

These stats are from CCBILL USA

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08-07-2004, 11:55 AM

I'm saying the percentage of foreign joins that chargeback is a lot greater than the "english" joins that chargeback.

Sorry, maybe I didnt make myself clear in that. I am totally agreeing with you. I have three years of stats to back it up and we are new to the game. If there were truly good sales over there programs like ours would be pushing the shit out of it. With the new visa regs. its made it next to impossible to cater to most of those areas now and still keep under the 1% chargeback cap.

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08-07-2004, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
Sorry, maybe I didnt make myself clear in that. I am totally agreeing with you. I have three years of stats to back it up and we are new to the game. If there were truly good sales over there programs like ours would be pushing the shit out of it. With the new visa regs. its made it next to impossible to cater to most of those areas now and still keep under the 1% chargeback cap.

Strange, what countries do you block now for this issue?

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