We fucked up.. and we're very sorry.. now we are moving forward!

I like many affiliates logged in and confirmed rebills were set to stop after 1. Do you need me to post linsk to the old threads? You want to prove i am telling a lie about this?

Simple enough?

I need not make anyone look bad, and you really should bud out of this.

It has nothing to do with you really, it doesnt.

Ya know what I like most about you Roger, there are so many others in this thrwead, giving you and your program shit, but you feel threatened by my posts, I wonder why.

You add validity to them whether you know it or not...

Fletch: why not take the money if you're owed it.
You're making no sense. You drunk?

regret? jeff has made more "mistakes" then George Bush!!



Please just one more time. One more.... Pretty please.

I am Fletch's business partner and I have no desire to pursue this matter with you and jeff.

It doesn't go any deeper than what he has already posted.

He is not here slandering your program or posting anymore than what others have already posted.

Can you please get off your high horse now and leave us alone? I think your thread has enough exposure already, no need to use Fletch and myself as a reason to pursue it.

Thanks, and I am sure you are professional enough to let this drop now and address more important issues you most likely have.

His last post seems to be or he is just mad

Trust me you will not be the only one. I'm going to call everyone out if it continues Nothing Personal Just Biz.

All those threads were flamers he has already explained the problem with the rebill situation. The past does not concern me
Unless people think they are owed money still. If that is the case please call our 800#'s so nothing is out of your pocket.

If people really think they got burned and I have posted this before I will make good on it if I can earn your business back.

Shit for that matter if any program fucked you and I can earn your business I might consider paying there dept.

That how far I bend for people even when I don't have to.

Fletch nothing Personal Sorry if I attacked wrongfully its not my style I just had a bad day with my mother going to the Hospital today for surgery on her heart etc, I took allot of my anger out on you.

I am just so tired of all the hate when I go out of my way to help everyone I finally snapped today.

In my eyes Fletch you and me are kewl

Why do you have to keep going on with it really?

How did he fuck you? was it a rebill issue if so lets resolve it now?

Or because you just Don't like him?

rog, hope your mother has a quick recovery from whatevers ailing her.

I respect that. Just trying to protect my investment.
and clear the air.

Oh too many issues to list. But those are 2. He did personally scam me, ask Luke he can fill in with details.

I think the industry is filled with enough crooks as it is, we certainly don't need to recycle old ones. The heard is thinning, stupid to save those who don't have ethics.

Roger why did you not just buy the clown out? You get this guy out the picture, I wll be the first to send traffic to the program.

However as long as jeff is in the picture, I will never send a hit, and I will always take the chance to remind everyone of his "regrets" and his "heartfelt apologies"

Yea I didn't really want to bring my personal problems to the board. I just wanted fletch to know it wasn't just him I was upset with I just focused my anger on him since he wasn't hiding behind an anon. I try not to encourage anons' and give them attention. Plus I had other things going on in my life.


Yes it really sucks and I will find out more tomorrow.

thanks for your concern.

that's fine as you know Jeff has nothing to do with the sites in Pornkings. Just on the revshare side in perfection cash.

But I will talk to you about the rest of your statement of the boards when I take all your money in Poker. LOL

Sorry Rog. Hope everything works out.

I won't post in this thread again.

Pornkings,

Most of us are not bashing you but Jeff.

Hey do a search on a certain designer that was counting on Jeff's "word" for work done and couldn?t buy Christmas presents for her children.

It was actually sad reading the posts (and the designer never beg).

Jeff paid her only after x amount of ?bumps? on a post on GFY.

Thanks because I've had a long day. damn

Now I can rest

Its hard because sometimes I have to get the last word

Remember that the rebill issue on ccbill was with it saying 0 (I think) rebills. Not 1 rebill.

http://ztcash.com/stuff/perfection.wmv

I never promoted the site, but I think it would be cool if you guys took care of all the rebills that are owed to affiliates. Not just the few people he hired and didn't pay.

Take look in the thread. Everyone that come forward with rebill issues were paid... not just in full, but double the money they lost. I paid them all myself. If people were still owed money then sure would have come out in this thread.

As for "people I hired and didnt pay" Every single employee I ever had has been paid in full... months and months ago. Ask them. Everyone is paid... in full... PerfectionCash and myself are totally debt free.

This industry boggles my mind so often.

There is a HUGE difference between the words "Mistake" and "Deliberate". The two should not be intermingled.

There is nothing wrong with forgiving someone who made genuine honest mistakes.

There is also nothing wrong with forgiving someone who deliberately did something dishonest. That is your perogative and call.

There is also nothing wrong with doing business with thieves as long as you know and realize you're in bed with people you can't and shouldn't trust. You still can make money with thieves. That's the irony of it. Thieves are brilliant schemers usually and good earners. Just be sure you get yours, that's all. And if they go in the cookie jar again and take from you, make sure they pay you extra when you bust them.

Wall St. is full of professional thieves. Most lawyers are thieves. The entertainment business is loaded with thieves. Sometimes thieves steal from other thieves while those thieves are stealing from the thief too.

Most politicians are thieves. They steal our trust. Every 4 years the gullible fucks that we are get sold the same old pitch and then they get our vote and fuck us all again.

So the bottom line is to make money. Sometimes you're the fuckee and sometimes you might even be the fucker. The idea is to always be sure you're not the one getting poked.

So your saying I'm a thief


OK goodnite I'm done for today


But KRL is right in many ways

Roger, first and formost, sorry to hear about your mother, I know what you're going through as my own has been ill for over a year now and has had a lengthy hospital stay as well. Best wishes for her and for your family.

Secondly, although it is understandible that you would feel the urge to defend your new investment, it may be possible that your one mistake here today was in failing to find out about Jeff's past IN FULL before putting your name and your company behind this.

It is also unreasonable to expect that Jeff's past "mistakes" (let's call them poor choices, I'm not comforable with calling what he did "mistakes") would not come back to bite him in the ass.

I saw on previous threads that Jeff was intending to make a fresh start, and I instantly knew that it wouldn't be an easy road for him. I knew it because I have read many of the threads about him, much of the complaints coming from people I know and have some respect for.

What I'm saying is, there is no point in getting defensive and angry at those who post negative things about Jeff right now. If the central purpose of this thread, of his post, was to clear the air then by all means let the air be cleared.

Btw, my sole reason for posting in this thread was to help accomplish that air clearing. Why? Because this is my industry just as much as it is anyone else's here, and if webmasters have been getting ripped off in the past then I think it is ALL our business to ensure that the person making the "poor choices" either makes things right or suffers the consecquences.

It's good to see Jeff at least handling this thread like a professional, I hope he keeps up riding on the straight and narrow..... because he's right about one thing: Actions DO speak louder than words. That is why his past actions are giving him grief now. All I can say is, best of luck to Jeff, and to you Roger with this new venture.

Once a thief, always a thief. Anyone promoting these guys only have themselves to blame. Not to mention that you'll basically accept that it's OK to cheat, as long as you come back and apologize for it. I say rip their heads off and shit down their necks, fucking low-life cheaters!

not saying it would happen, but IF someone got screwed again i doubt they would be running to the boards lol

people would all have that "told ya so" attitude

at this point i think it isnt a matter of money because pornkings is backing them. Rather it is a matter of if you as an affiliate are willing to give Jeff another chance and let him have his "fuckup" be pushed into the past.

i think lots of people will, while others will not.

Yeah... true, but its a very small number of affiliates we actually lost. As I have said above. traffic and sales are triple of what they were just days before all this mess broke. We have been growing at a very steady pace.

Sure, we would love to get back the few that left, but we understand that might take some time. Meanwhile, we have added 135 new sending affiliates to the perfection girls site since June 10th. Thats great, but of course we want more.

Make no mistake, I am extreamly sorry for what happened and I do not expect any special treatment for coming out a admiting I fucked up. However, the program, dispite the events of 8 months ago is growing like I have never seen it grow before.

We have earned affiliates over $11,000 in cash since the 1st of Aug of this year. Real numbers! This time last year.. it would have taken 2 months to earn our affilaites that much money. Clearly we are growing and things have changed.

Jeff

No matter what you will get paid Promoting the Perfection girls

on both Programs

Perfectioncash and Pornkings

the sites are doing amazing no bullshit the Perfection girls are doing over 100 sales a day and counting just on the Pornkings side. becasue we convert awsome

Not sure how the revshare side is doing I need to look into it.

But we have many options for you to choose from in promoting them

Damn, ya'll are back again???

Sorry Mike.. I know you hate it, but we are not going anywhere.

Hey... call me at home. Lets settle this or at least set some ground work for trying to.

I think me and you could clear the air and move on. Its your call. I will be frank and very honest in our talk. No drama, very friendly and all about business.

Your call man.

We just wanna move forward and do the right thing.

Jeff

Its all about the Drama Baby

I love it

PerfectionJeff and PornKings = MarVad = Scammers!


Exposed

"The errors were not intentional"


Oh wow!
You fuckin scammer! Keep sucking Roger and Ians cock!

It is funny they scam and you scam! Now they have paid half of the rebills you scammed on and now you are hoping to come out alive with a good reputation (won't ever happen)!

lamers

Jeff still haven't answered the other thread ... weird

They will spamming this board with their new cheeseball sites coming soon to a monitor near you. Fraudlent solo sites are a much better way to scam a modern surfer as opposed to the old corporate scam sites.