geezzzzz,,,most of these guys were younger than I am.
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as long the gas price goes down and the iraqis are free, this is a small price to pay for cheaper oil and now Saddam cant rape people or kill babies.
(for the record, i have family serving as a soldier in iraq)
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i have family serving as a soldier in iraq?
So does that mean you have a lot of family over there that take turns being a soldier? Just wondering...
But seriously I hope your family member comes home safe and sound soon we have no business being over there anymore how about brining the troops home and putting them on the border to really protect the U.S.A.
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that sucks
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There were over 6,000 casualties durinng the Battle of the Buldge. A battle that was fought over 2 weeks.
There was a training mission conducted by the US and UK during WWII that went wrong and over 1,200 American soliders were killed in a few hours.
I am glad you guys were not around then, or else we would all be speaking German.
Every one off those 1,000 men are heros, they should be honored, their families taken care of.
But lets be real, 1,000 deaths in statisticly nothing with such major combat going on.
No other Nation could take over 2 seperate countries on the other side of the world so quickly, with so few casualties.
How many Russians died in Afganistan? What about in Chechnia?
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I agree with you statiscally, but I do disagree with Iraq. If Bush had acted intelligently there would have been zero American deaths because we would not have invaded. 1000 dead, 6000 seriously wounded and $200 billion we have nothing to show for our sacrifice.Originally posted by Mike AI
There were over 6,000 casualties durinng the Battle of the Buldge. A battle that was fought over 2 weeks.
There was a training mission conducted by the US and UK during WWII that went wrong and over 1,200 American soliders were killed in a few hours.
I am glad you guys were not around then, or else we would all be speaking German.
Every one off those 1,000 men are heros, they should be honored, their families taken care of.
But lets be real, 1,000 deaths in statisticly nothing with such major combat going on.
No other Nation could take over 2 seperate countries on the other side of the world so quickly, with so few casualties.
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These comparisons dont make this acceptable IMOOriginally posted by Mike AI
There were over 6,000 casualties durinng the Battle of the Buldge. A battle that was fought over 2 weeks.
There was a training mission conducted by the US and UK during WWII that went wrong and over 1,200 American soliders were killed in a few hours.
I am glad you guys were not around then, or else we would all be speaking German.
Every one off those 1,000 men are heros, they should be honored, their families taken care of.
But lets be real, 1,000 deaths in statisticly nothing with such major combat going on.
No other Nation could take over 2 seperate countries on the other side of the world so quickly, with so few casualties.
How many Russians died in Afganistan? What about in Chechnia?;-)!;-)!;-)!;-)!;-)!;-)!;-)!;-)!;-)!;-)!;-)Comment
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more interesting facts
Sinking of the Lusitania, 1915 1,195
Attack on Pearl Harbor, 1941 2,200
Estimated US Deaths from Gulf War Syndrome 9,500
Battle of Gettysburg 46,000
US Casualties in Vietnam War 58,202
Estimated Iraqi Casualties in Gulf War 150,000
Nuclear Bomb over Hiroshima, 1945-50 200,000
United States Civil War 620,000
North Vietnamese Casualties in Vietnam War 1,100,000
African Slavery 6,000,000
Holocaust, WWII 11,000,000
Total Casualties of WWII 55,000,000Comment
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Any military in the family?Originally posted by Mike AI
Every one off those 1,000 men are heros, they should be honored, their families taken care of.
If you did youd know this is absolutely NOT how its done andf this will NOT happen.
only people with 2 legs and 2 arms get money from military, the rest eat a dick.
Theres a veterans home 1 block from me, and another within a mile, i drive past these guys in wheel chairs all the time.
they dont have shit to show for any war except limbless alcoholics.
in FACT, I have raised thousands of dollars for veterans SINGLE HANDEDLY.
america does NOT take care of its heroes Mike, it never has.
jessica Lynch is not a hero.
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you forgot to mention the total cost of war in Iraq to very well signify your claim
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Total Casualties of WWII 55,000,000
Kiss your kids befor bed and be thankful you have what you have for them. Everyone of those 55 million lost are owed our eternal gratitude...everyone of them...allies or enemies.
Without either of them we wouldnt be where we are now, or have what we have now. Same as then 1000 who died since 9/11, they all deserve the utmost respect.LinkSpun - Premier Adult Link Trading Community - ICQ - 464/\281/\250
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Says you.Originally posted by Fletch XXX
jessica Lynch is not a hero.
She was captured by the enemy. She did suffer bodily harm. She will need rehab for a long time to come.
She may not be the best example of a hero, but is one none the less..Comment
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Being captured while driving a truck makes someone a hero ????Originally posted by WarChild
Says you.
She was captured by the enemy. She did suffer bodily harm. She will need rehab for a long time to come.
She may not be the best example of a hero, but is one none the less.
Even she said she wasn't....
A hero is somebody that voluntarely and knowingly sacrifices or risks his life in an exceptional way and for an exceptional cause.
They took a wrong turn because they couldn't read a map !!!
Hero my ass.I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
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Let's not forget that in the tens of thousands of Iraqis are dead...
I doubt if we would've said regime change and oil were our goals there would have been the level of support that there was before the war.
It's also easy to say the Iraqis are "free" now that Saddam is gone. Oh wait, foreign terrorists and thugs go around murdering and kidnapping people. The power in Iraq is still shut off for at least 6 hours a day while it's 110 degrees.
Obviously no Saddam is always better, but let's not say that single fact just makes what we've done right.
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Originally posted by Jdoughs
Total Casualties of WWII 55,000,000
Kiss your kids befor bed and be thankful you have what you have for them. Everyone of those 55 million lost are owed our eternal gratitude...everyone of them...allies or enemies.
Without either of them we wouldnt be where we are now, or have what we have now. Same as then 1000 who died since 9/11, they all deserve the utmost respect.
amen to that...
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... and the man responsible for those 1000 dead american soldiers (plus 10-20 thousand dead civilians) ... what should happen to him?
... and the man responsible for 3000 dead americans on 9/11 ... why wasn't he punished?Comment
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he should be voted out in nov.Originally posted by CamChicks
... and the man responsible for those 1000 dead american soldiers (plus 10-20 thousand dead civilians) ... what should happen to him?
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Actually the military offers a VERY inexpensive life insurance policy in addition to the benefits the survivors get for free. It's either $9 every 2 weeks or every month for a $200K policy. And again, this is over and above survivor benefits which are outlined here
In addition, the soldiers who were killed had a HIGHER chance of dying in a car accident if they hadn't gone to war.
And let's not forget, every single one of them signed up voluntarily. When you do so, you take an oath part of which says "and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States."
And yes, I have family members in the military and spent the weekend with a members of the AF, Army and Marines. They are more than proud to be soldiers.
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they should never be sent to fight for the profits of private corporations. those guys over there are watching their buddies die every single day. some of them survived, but are completely mutiliated. i saw one 20 year old army kid who was driving a fuel truck who had his face burned off after an ambush. fucking fuel truck exploded covering him in burning fuel. yeah, but he survivied, right?Originally posted by Peaches
Actually the military offers a VERY inexpensive life insurance policy in addition to the benefits the survivors get for free. It's either $9 every 2 weeks or every month for a $200K policy. And again, this is over and above survivor benefits which are outlined here
In addition, the soldiers who were killed had a HIGHER chance of dying in a car accident if they hadn't gone to war.
And let's not forget, every single one of them signed up voluntarily. When you do so, you take an oath part of which says "and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States."
And yes, I have family members in the military and spent the weekend with a members of the AF, Army and Marines. They are more than proud to be soldiers.
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No way. I'd like to see how somebody dreamt up this stat...Originally posted by Peaches
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Those who sign up for the military know they might go to war. They know war's not pretty. They know they can be killed or maimed. They choose to take those risks.Originally posted by stereolab
they should never be sent to fight for the profits of private corporations. those guys over there are watching their buddies die every single day. some of them survived, but are completely mutiliated. i saw one 20 year old army kid who was driving a fuel truck who had his face burned off after an ambush. fucking fuel truck exploded covering him in burning fuel. yeah, but he survivied, right?
this administration borders on criminal.
And if you think Bush has the ability to declare war by himself, you need to read up on civics.
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this is true. but that doesn't give the commander in chief the right to use the armed forces for the sole purpose of enriching the private interests of his administration. and that's the sole reason we went there.Originally posted by Peaches
Those who sign up for the military know they might go to war. They know war's not pretty. They know they can be killed or maimed. They choose to take those risks.
And if you think Bush has the ability to declare war by himself, you need to read up on civics.
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This is so absurd it boggles the mind.Originally posted by Peaches
In addition, the soldiers who were killed had a HIGHER chance of dying in a car accident if they hadn't gone to war.Comment
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has congress actually declared war yet?
Congress has one great power and they are too pussy to use it because the sheep think we NEED TO TAKE IRAQ
funny
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2002/tst082602.htm
It appears that most in Congress would support an invasion of Iraq, so why can?t we simply agree to follow the Constitution and vote to declare war?
The rule of law separates civilized societies from despotic societies. Unlike Iraq, the United States is a nation of laws, not men. We are blessed to live under the Constitution, rather than under a King or dictator. Yet if we blatantly violate the Constitution by pursuing an undeclared war, we violate the rule of law. We invite the President, and future Presidents, to act in an imperial manner. We damage the separation of powers that is so critical to our freedom. We act more like Iraq than the United States of America when we ignore the Constitution.
I?m puzzled that Congress is so willing to give away one of its most important powers. Why do members of Congress from both parties, most of whom work incessantly to INCREASE the scope of congressional powers, suddenly refuse to wield power in one area where they have legitimate legislative authority? It mostly has to do with cowardice and politics. You can bet Republicans would be demanding congressional involvement if Clinton was in office.
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Look at the percentage of deaths caused by cars for ages 18-30 and percentage of deaths in Iraq of the same age in the military.Originally posted by Joe Citizen
This is so absurd it boggles the mind.Comment
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one of the most amazing things to come out of this war: the second largest armed force in Iraq right now (second to u.s. forces) are the private, corporate armed forces that don't fly any national flag. they are for-profit armies with a license to kill and they are being paid (a lot) from our national treasury. man would i love to see the money trail there.Comment
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The "sole purpose"? Interesting view.......Originally posted by stereolab
this is true. but that doesn't give the commander in chief the right to use the armed forces for the sole purpose of enriching the private interests of his administration. and that's the sole reason we went there.Comment
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tell me about it, this is one of the main things that infurates me.Originally posted by stereolab
one of the most amazing things to come out of this war: the second largest armed force in Iraq right now (second to u.s. forces) are the private, corporate armed forces that don't fly any national flag. they are for-profit armies with a license to kill and they are being paid (a lot) from our national treasury. man would i love to see the money trail there.
have a cousin who turned 21 in iraq, he is making less than a teacher makes hahaha
risking his life.
here comes Haliburton truck driver, 250k a year to drive a truck. My soldier cousin could die no one give a shit, let a Haliburton truck get hicjacked, Dick Cheney make sure every news covers it.
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How are these people any different from the "enemy combatants" stuck indefinitely in Guantanamo Bay?Originally posted by stereolab
one of the most amazing things to come out of this war: the second largest armed force in Iraq right now (second to u.s. forces) are the private, corporate armed forces that don't fly any national flag. they are for-profit armies with a license to kill and they are being paid (a lot) from our national treasury. man would i love to see the money trail there.Comment
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Are you serious? What pay grade is your cousin? Even an E1 - the lowest possible - makes the equivalent of $30K+ with the free housing, food, medical/dental care, tax free purchases, free golf/pool/gym memberships, military discounts, etc.Originally posted by Fletch XXX
tell me about it, this is one of the main things that infurates me.
have a cousin who turned 21 in iraq, he is making less than a teacher makes hahaha
risking his life.
here comes Haliburton truck driver, 250k a year to drive a truck. My soldier cousin could die no one give a shit, let a Haliburton truck get hicjacked, Dick Cheney make sure every news covers it.
If he could make more money being a teacher and that's what he wanted to do, why didn't he?Comment
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well, those guys are fucked prisoners.Originally posted by Joe Citizen
How are these people any different from the "enemy combatants" stuck indefinitely in Guantanamo Bay?
i'm talking about armed mercenaries on the u.s. gov't payroll (mostly former u.s. military guys). but what 'rules' do they have to play by? how do they have the right to kill? they are private corporations. it's the second largest armed force in Iraq right now.Comment
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i have said this on board before.Originally posted by Peaches
If he could make more money being a teacher and that's what he wanted to do, why didn't he?
My cousin was arrested at 19 for stealing a pure bred dog, they valued the dog at over 1k and was going to charge heavy, in the south.
The judge asked my cousin if he would rather go to jail, or go to military.
I think you know which one he took. Deal was, it would not be on his record and he wouldbe allowed to go...
he was 19, he chose military, he enlisted, and before he knew it was being shipped off.
Justice huh? Im really not sure what he makes, he is a nobody soldier boy.
Its funny how america gets its soldiers isnt it?
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Sad day but I'm surprised it's not WAY more ... I mean it's been a long time ... 1000 people in a country where 250 million leave in couple year is nothing ... well not a big price to defend yourself
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Must be the Army - most of the other branches won't touch you if you've had any trouble with the law.Originally posted by Fletch XXX
i have said this on board before.
My cousin was arrested at 19 for stealing a pure bred dog, they valued the dog at over 1k and was going to charge heavy, in the south.
The judge asked my cousin if he would rather go to jail, or go to military.
I think you know which one he took.
he was 19, he chose military, he enlisted, and before he knew it was being shipped off.
Justice huh? Im really not sure what he makes, he is a nobody soldier boy.
Its funny how america gets its soldiers isnt it?
Life is full of choices. Your cousin chose to steal something from someone else. Your cousin chose to go into the military instead of serving jail time.
Yes, it's funny how American gets their soldiers in this all volunteer military - they get them from people making the choice to join.
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be glad your mom had money, otherwise you may have not had it made your entire life.Originally posted by Peaches
Must be the Army - most of the other branches won't touch you if you've had any trouble with the law.
Life is full of choices. Your cousin chose to steal something from someone else. Your cousin chose to go into the military instead of serving jail time.
Yes, it's funny how American gets their soldiers in this all volunteer military - they get them from people making the choice to join.
Has your kid ever done anything bad or wrong?
Go ahead, negate a US soldier serving his country.
regardless of his actions, he is 21 now and COMPLETELY CHANGED.
the military may have straightened out, who knows, but sure, go ahead rag on him because he was a dumb kid.
be glad your mom carried you, the guy was abandoned at age 4 by his mom and had a harder life than anyone I ever know.
he turned 21 in iraq serving his country, despite any political debate, you should knock him so quickly.
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Oh get over yourself!Originally posted by Fletch XXX
be glad your mom had money, otherwise you may have not had it made your entire life.
Has your kid ever done anything bad or wrong?
Go ahead, negate a US soldier serving his country.
regardless of his actions, he is 21 now and COMPLETELY CHANGED.
the military may have straightened out, who knows, but sure, go ahead rag on him because he was a dumb kid.
be glad your mom carried you, the guy was abandoned at age 4 by his mom and had a harder life than anyone I ever know.
he turned 21 in iraq serving his country, despite any political debate, you should knock him so quickly. Where did I knock him? I said he made choices. And you disagree with that?
There were tons of wrong choices I made too and many could have easily cost me my life or others their lives. But they were MY decisions - bad or good. I had a mother who treated her children as accessories and I moved away at 15. So maybe I should be blaming her for all my bad decisions? That would be pretty easy!
My son was abandoned by his father when he was 10 months old AND had to have ME as a single parent! Talk about handicapped! He made a lot of bad decisions and he paid the price for them. Had he stolen something he would have suffered the consequences for that too.
Bottom line, your cousin is in the military because he made the CHOICE to be there, not because he was forced by the Bush administration.Comment
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And where did I say he was?Originally posted by Peaches
Bottom line, your cousin is in the military because he made the CHOICE to be there, not because he was forced by the Bush administration.
You asked how he got there I explained it.
Get over myself? I am speaking about SOMEONE ELSE not me.
but anyway, i never said or blamed Bush for anything, you seem to want me to have done so though. keep reaching
just be glad
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We, No... Bush and Cheney have a lot to show for it... they're just not telling.Originally posted by Giorgio_Xo
1000 dead, 6000 seriously wounded and $200 billion we have nothing to show for our sacrifice.
FUCKERS!!!!
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And I never knocked your cousin, I never said my son didn't ever do anything wrong, I didn't negate a US soldier serving his country, and I didn't rag on him.Originally posted by Fletch XXX
And where did I say he was?
You asked how he got there I explained it.
Get over myself? I am speaking about SOMEONE ELSE not me.
but anyway, i never said or blamed Bush for anything, you seem to want me to have done so though. keep reaching
just be glad
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But you DID say I was blaming Bush, where did you get that?Originally posted by Peaches
And I never knocked your cousin, I never said my son didn't ever do anything wrong, I didn't negate a US soldier serving his country, and I didn't rag on him.
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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Any military in the family?
If you did youd know this is absolutely NOT how its done andf this will NOT happen.
only people with 2 legs and 2 arms get money from military, the rest eat a dick.
Theres a veterans home 1 block from me, and another within a mile, i drive past these guys in wheel chairs all the time.
they dont have shit to show for any war except limbless alcoholics.
in FACT, I have raised thousands of dollars for veterans SINGLE HANDEDLY.
america does NOT take care of its heroes Mike, it never has.
jessica Lynch is not a hero.
Fletch I am from the South, I have miliary in every branch of the service.
My father and uncles were Marines. My dad's oldest brother fought in WWII with 82nd Airbone.
I also have lots of friends in the military, people I went to high school with.
I agree with you about the gov't should be doing more for its veterans and their famiilies - it is shameful what is happening.
There are some private groups who are raising funds to help those families. I can list them out if anyone is interested in donating. I have sent some off.
These guys are on the front lines putting their lives at risk for us.
You can debate all you want if the war was necessary or not. I think it was a good move, and will pay of inthe long term.
One thing that is NOT debatable however is the fine way our military has handled this situation. Our Military is one of the FEW things the Federal Gov't does well.
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And thats all my post was about.Originally posted by Mike AI
I agree with you about the gov't should be doing more for its veterans and their famiilies - it is shameful what is happening.
The gov says it will do one thing for its maimed and hurt, it does another.
Tell me your family has been rewarded for serving and I will send you an Easter card ;)
Other than that I have never seen the gov step up and take care of the soldiers.
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And I know youre from the south hahaha
arent we all?
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But the "anti-war" crowd wants less money for the military. They can't have it both ways. If there's less money to pay soldiers with, the soldiers make less money, have older equipment, etc.Originally posted by Mike AI
I agree with you about the gov't should be doing more for its veterans and their famiilies - it is shameful what is happening.
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I'm from the south too.Originally posted by Fletch XXX
And I know youre from the south hahaha
arent we all?
A lot further south, mind you.
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I don't know about you guys.. but all i know is that this are still people's lives we are talking about and no matter you guys say about the figures 1,000 or 1Million this are still HUMAN BEING!!!
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She did "voluntarily and knowingly" risk her life in an exceptional way (less than 1% of the poplulation ever serve in the military) and the cause in Iraq is exceptional. She was a hero...as are all that serve...even during peacetime. Was she a hero as in "above and beyond the call of duty"...no.Originally posted by directfiesta
Being captured while driving a truck makes someone a hero ????
Even she said she wasn't....
A hero is somebody that voluntarely and knowingly sacrifices or risks his life in an exceptional way and for an exceptional cause.
They took a wrong turn because they couldn't read a map !!!
Hero my ass.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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I wonder how long til that number doubles.Comment
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