For my MMA peeps... Why Tae Kwon Do will get you killed.

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  • Anthony
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    • Feb 2001
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    #1

    For my MMA peeps... Why Tae Kwon Do will get you killed.

    http://s33.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1...Y0459CJJQWAWSE

    It's so funny watching these fights, I keep hearing either Rorion or Rener Gracie yelling that the headlock is the most common position you will find yourself on the ground against an untrained fighter.

    Then seeing Travis, that's the MMA guy, go for the cross face to either go for a RNC or armbar, and then change his mind and... Well you'll see for yourself.

    I laughed the whole time, this is the attitude of almost every Tae Kwon Do/Kickboxer I've ever met.

  • polish_aristocrat
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    • Jul 2002
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    #2
    wow......
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    • pradaboy
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      #3
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      • DWB
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        • Jul 2003
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        #4
        ouch. any idea what happened to him? what broke?

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        • Anthony
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          • Feb 2001
          • 9653

          #5
          Nothing. The TKD had the air knocked out of him bad.

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          • Anthony
            Keyboard Warrior
            • Feb 2001
            • 9653

            #6
            Monte Cox the promoter of the show relayed the following form the fight that took place in 1998.

            Geeeezzz... I've explained this fight so many times and yet it keeps reappearing...

            1. Fulton flew in the day of the show from Brazil to compete in a 4-man 200-pound tournament.

            2. Bullock came to my hotel room three days in a row begging for a fight and talking shit... I turned him away each time.

            3. Fulton was a little over the limit (like a pound) and the other fighters in the tourney wouldn't let him compete.

            4. I had nobody for Travis to fight and he had flown all the way from Brazil.

            5. Bullock came to my room while I was trying to figure things out... he said he wanted a chance and that I was scared he'd hurt somebody, etc...

            6. I told him I would let him fight in the show.

            7. I told Travis I would let him fight, but that he was much bigger and was not allowed to stand with the guy, or hit him... that he had to take the guy down and submit him.

            8. Bullock had zero injuries... just the wind knocked out of him.

            9. We had 5,500 people there and it was a great show...

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            • pradaboy
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              • Dec 2003
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              #7
              that's hilarious... the taekwondo guy is all psyched and showing his skills and trying to look mean and everything and the JJ guy walks in all laid back and limping a bit and yet he takes him out like that. Too funny!
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              • Manowar
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                • Dec 2003
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                #8
                owned

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                • dig420
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                  • May 2001
                  • 9240

                  #9
                  http://homepage.eircom.net/~matbattl...bal_garcia.wmv

                  another karate v. BJJ megafight

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                  • animal mother
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                    • Jun 2005
                    • 274

                    #10
                    saw it a couple of days ago. fucking brutal. did john marsh teach us nothing?
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                    • Anthony
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                      • Feb 2001
                      • 9653

                      #11
                      Originally posted by dig420
                      I thought I sent you that one years ago. It's been on bullshido forever.

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                      • Kevsh
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                        • Dec 2004
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Anthony
                        Geeeezzz... I've explained this fight so many times and yet it keeps reappearing...
                        No place like GFY to keep old stories alive ... even way past their due date.

                        Mental Note: Don't put a headlock on a guy who can one-arm slam you...

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                        • Anthony
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                          • Feb 2001
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                          #13
                          Oh sorry, it was animal mother who said that, not dig.

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                          • Anthony
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                            • Feb 2001
                            • 9653

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Kevsh
                            No place like GFY to keep old stories alive ... even way past their due date.

                            Mental Note: Don't put a headlock on a guy who can one-arm slam you...
                            What are you talking about Kevsh? I didn't say that, Monte Cox did.

                            Past their due date, so you've seen this before?

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                            • Babagirls
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                              #15
                              god damn! i never knew a body slam could fuck someone up so bad




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                              • dig420
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                                • May 2001
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Babagirls
                                god damn! i never knew a body slam could fuck someone up so bad
                                believe me, they can. Even being slammed on your back from 6 inches off the ground fucks you up if the slammer knows what he's doing. You can take the first one, you start feeling funny the second time, the third one totally disorients you.

                                I saw Ryron Gracie send a BJJ black belt off in an ambulance with a 12 inch drop at a tournament not too long ago. When the guy's back hit the ground it sounded like a bomb going off, and he just slowly went limp...

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                                • Drake
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                                  • Mar 2003
                                  • 12508

                                  #17
                                  That guy was way in over his head.

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                                  • GatorB
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                                    • Oct 2001
                                    • 18208

                                    #18
                                    That big guy was a pussy. Slamming oooh. What is that WWF? Shit fight dirty? Hell I'd put my face underneath his crotch and BITE. See how he body slamms me with his penis in my mouth.

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                                    • BVF
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                                      • Jan 2002
                                      • 13975

                                      #19
                                      One thing good about Judo is learning how to breakfall. But the way he slammed him, I don't know how he could have done it...You gotta let that air out of your lungs BEFORE you hit the mat...don't let the mat push the air out for you.

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                                      • sniperwolf
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                                        • Mar 2005
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                                        #20
                                        ouch!.. that sure hurts
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                                        • taibo
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                                          • May 2005
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                                          #21
                                          oooooooooooooooooo uuuch

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                                          • animal mother
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Babagirls
                                            god damn! i never knew a body slam could fuck someone up so bad
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                                            • BVF
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                                              • Jan 2002
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by animal mother
                                              Yeah he got fucked up but you see that he tried to stop it with his right elbow and failed miserably...once you know you're going to the mat you just gotta tuck your head in as much as you can, exhale your air and instead of using your right arm to try to stop the slam, slap it against the mat to try to redistibute some of that energy...Even if you knew how to do all of that, you'd still be hurt BAD from a slam like that.

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                                              • animal mother
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                                                • Jun 2005
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by BVF
                                                Yeah he got fucked up but you see that he tried to stop it with his right elbow and failed miserably
                                                it was over long before that. arona needed to let go of that triangle much earlier. when rampage gets you 8 feet off the ground (and you're unable to get any kind of guillotine) you're going to sleep. the headbutt didn't help.
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                                                • dunefield
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                                                  • Feb 2003
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by animal mother
                                                  arona got knocked out cold because rampage accidently headbutted him...

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                                                  • animal mother
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by dunefield
                                                    arona got knocked out cold because rampage accidently headbutted him...
                                                    you say that as if you have any idea whether it's true or not. rampage is strong as an ox and arona's head was approximately 8 feet in the air. i'm of the opinion that the slam KOed him but i can't say with any degree of certainty and neither can you.
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                                                    • dunefield
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by animal mother
                                                      you say that as if you have any idea whether it's true or not. rampage is strong as an ox and arona's head was approximately 8 feet in the air. i'm of the opinion that the slam KOed him but i can't say with any degree of certainty and neither can you.
                                                      errr rampage SAID that was the reason why arona got ko'd after the fight when he was in the seat with mauro and bas... he also needed major stitches in his head after that...

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                                                      • pornguy
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                                                        #28
                                                        Damn that has to hurt.
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                                                        • animal mother
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by dunefield
                                                          errr rampage SAID that was the reason why arona got ko'd after the fight when he was in the seat with mauro and bas... he also needed major stitches in his head after that...
                                                          i realize there was a headbutt (see my original post). the slam was so fast and so violent there's no way of knowing what caused the KO. watch it again and tell me for certain arona's not already out when their heads clash.

                                                          you do realize plenty of guys have gone right to sleep from slams, right?
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                                                          • dunefield
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                                                            • Feb 2003
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by animal mother
                                                            i realize there was a headbutt (see my original post). the slam was so fast and so violent there's no way of knowing what caused the KO. watch it again and tell me for certain arona's not already out when their heads clash.

                                                            you do realize plenty of guys have gone right to sleep from slams, right?
                                                            oh god i've got the whole pride fight on my comp... and it was caused by the headbutt... i've seen it in slow mo and all sorts of angles rather than just a shitty animated .gif

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                                                            • FelixFlow
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                                                              • Nov 2004
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                                                              #31
                                                              what codec is needed to view these??


                                                              neither one of those fucking vids will play for me


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                                                              • animal mother
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by dunefield
                                                                oh god i've got the whole pride fight on my comp... and it was caused by the headbutt... i've seen it in slow mo and all sorts of angles rather than just a shitty animated .gif
                                                                yup, i've seen all the angles too.

                                                                let me ask you a question. if it's the headbutt, and they hit each other in the exact same spot, how come rampage doesn't even flinch, let alone get knocked out? also, could you please list all of the other instances in which an mma fighter gets knocked out cold by a headbutt. thank you.
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                                                                • dunefield
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                                                                  • Feb 2003
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by animal mother
                                                                  yup, i've seen all the angles too.

                                                                  let me ask you a question. if it's the headbutt, and they hit each other in the exact same spot, how come rampage doesn't even flinch, let alone get knocked out? also, could you please list all of the other instances in which an mma fighter gets knocked out cold by a headbutt. thank you.
                                                                  simple... it's just like the mentality of soccer... if you hit the ball and not let the ball hit you the header won't hurt... in this case rampage was the one to force the accidental headbutt... and afterwards he did feel the pain and he had major stitches... you really have to pay attention to the commentary

                                                                  don't you see boxers and nhb headbutting people to force cuts? why doesn't the fighter who headbutts doesn't get cut??? because the fighter forced the hit...

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                                                                  • Anthony
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                                                                    • Feb 2001
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Dunefield,

                                                                    what is the name of your japgirl?

                                                                    Thanks.

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                                                                    • dunefield
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                                                                      • Feb 2003
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Anthony
                                                                      Dunefield,

                                                                      what is the name of your japgirl?

                                                                      Thanks.
                                                                      girl in the sig is rosa kato...

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                                                                      • animal mother
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by dunefield
                                                                        simple... it's just like the mentality of soccer... if you hit the ball and not let the ball hit you the header won't hurt... in this case rampage was the one to force the accidental headbutt... and afterwards he did feel the pain and he had major stitches... you really have to pay attention to the commentary

                                                                        don't you see boxers and nhb headbutting people to force cuts? why doesn't the fighter who headbutts doesn't get cut??? because the fighter forced the hit...
                                                                        are you retarded? how do you force an accidental headbutt?

                                                                        and fighters who use headbutts to force cut stoppages aren't using the middle of their forehead against the middle of their opponent's forehead. use some common sense.

                                                                        do you believe that rampage/arona should be ruled a NC, seeing as an illegal strike ended the fight?
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                                                                        • Anthony
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                                                                          • Feb 2001
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by dunefield
                                                                          girl in the sig is rosa kato...
                                                                          Thanks!

                                                                          She's goregous.

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                                                                          • dunefield
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                                                                            • Feb 2003
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by animal mother
                                                                            are you retarded? how do you force an accidental headbutt?

                                                                            and fighters who use headbutts to force cut stoppages aren't using the middle of their forehead against the middle of their opponent's forehead. use some common sense.

                                                                            do you believe that rampage/arona should be ruled a NC, seeing as an illegal strike ended the fight?
                                                                            god you are so dense... stop twisting the words would you like to me to handfeed you the whole scenario...

                                                                            think about it he's slamming down someone so he has the force whilst arona doesn't have any hence he is the one making the headbutt... the momentum of the accidental headbutt was in rampage's favour... and that comes down to simple logic... you really don't need to be a mma expert to figure out something like that...

                                                                            and yes technically it is a no contest and arona tried to contest the decision after the fight... but how is the ref to know when something like that happens so fast...

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                                                                            • dunefield
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                                                                              • Feb 2003
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              i recommend you open up the .avi file and watch it AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and even listen to what rampage has to say after the fight...

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                                                                              • animal mother
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                                                                                • Jun 2005
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                thank you, professor. now explain to me how you can tell at what point arona is knocked out.

                                                                                btw, arona contesting the decision means nothing. a brazilian has never accepted defeat gracefully in our lifetime.

                                                                                convince me and i'll admit i'm wrong, an ability you don't seem to possess. upload the video from your computer and show me the angle i'm missing.
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                                                                                • mardigras
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                                                                                  • Feb 2003
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  This thread is useless without continuous Kung Fu movies:
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                                                                                  • dunefield
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                                                                                    • Feb 2003
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by animal mother
                                                                                    thank you, professor. now explain to me how you can tell at what point arona is knocked out.

                                                                                    btw, arona contesting the decision means nothing. a brazilian has never accepted defeat gracefully in our lifetime.

                                                                                    convince me and i'll admit i'm wrong, an ability you don't seem to possess. upload the video from your computer and show me the angle i'm missing.
                                                                                    rofl yes i'm going to upload a 700 meg file... i think you need to accept the fact it was a headbutt that ko'd arona... even rampage conceded it was... i mean he was the one ACTUALLY fighting... now who should i take heed from... someone who thinks pride is only about hw/lw and don't care about lighter fighters or the person actually fighting...

                                                                                    HAHAHAHA!!! now you're using stupidity saying brazilians never accept defeat gracefully... i guess sakuraba rorting the gracies 3 times isn't a great example of brazilians accepting a loss...

                                                                                    hey i'll even give you an url to a mma torrent site so you can download the video... i've explained the scenario over and over and yet you're too stubborn to accept my replies and resort to twisting of words... you truly are dense...

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                                                                                    • vvq
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                                                                                      #43
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                                                                                      • Wiggles
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by animal mother
                                                                                        yup, i've seen all the angles too.

                                                                                        let me ask you a question. if it's the headbutt, and they hit each other in the exact same spot, how come rampage doesn't even flinch, let alone get knocked out? also, could you please list all of the other instances in which an mma fighter gets knocked out cold by a headbutt. thank you.
                                                                                        if you look closely you'll see that Fulton's head pushes under the other dudes chin which cranks his neck outta whack, wasn't a head on head butt incident.
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                                                                                        • Anthony
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                                                                                          • Feb 2001
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Wiggles
                                                                                          if you look closely you'll see that Fulton's head pushes under the other dudes chin which cranks his neck outta whack, wasn't a head on head butt incident.

                                                                                          Wait Fulton now knocked out Arona?

                                                                                          HAHAHAHA

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                                                                                          • dig420
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by dunefield
                                                                                            rofl yes i'm going to upload a 700 meg file... i think you need to accept the fact it was a headbutt that ko'd arona... even rampage conceded it was... i mean he was the one ACTUALLY fighting... now who should i take heed from... someone who thinks pride is only about hw/lw and don't care about lighter fighters or the person actually fighting...

                                                                                            HAHAHAHA!!! now you're using stupidity saying brazilians never accept defeat gracefully... i guess sakuraba rorting the gracies 3 times isn't a great example of brazilians accepting a loss...

                                                                                            hey i'll even give you an url to a mma torrent site so you can download the video... i've explained the scenario over and over and yet you're too stubborn to accept my replies and resort to twisting of words... you truly are dense...
                                                                                            Neither Arona NOR Rampage can know what knocked him out. It's true you can be knocked out with a headbutt. It can happen. It's not likely, but it can happen.

                                                                                            With an 8 ft drop, you're gonna be knocked out more than half the time it happens. That's a HUGE FUCKING IMPACT, delivered by a professional who's doing everything he can to maximize the trauma.

                                                                                            Which do YOU think is most likely to cause the knockout?

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                                                                                            • dig420
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by BVF
                                                                                              Yeah he got fucked up but you see that he tried to stop it with his right elbow and failed miserably...once you know you're going to the mat you just gotta tuck your head in as much as you can, exhale your air and instead of using your right arm to try to stop the slam, slap it against the mat to try to redistibute some of that energy...Even if you knew how to do all of that, you'd still be hurt BAD from a slam like that.
                                                                                              The only thing you can do in that situation is let go completely or be KTFO.

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                                                                                              • Anthony
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                                                                                                • Feb 2001
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by dig420
                                                                                                The only thing you can do in that situation is let go completely or be KTFO.
                                                                                                Exactly. But then of course, we both know this from experience of being slammed while holding someone in the closed guard. Let go, or get fucked up.

                                                                                                Being lifted 2 feet of the ground and then slammed into the mat sucks major fucking ass. I imagine anything more than 2 feet to be way worse.

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                                                                                                • pornpf69
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  downloading the vids now....

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                                                                                                  • dig420
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Anthony
                                                                                                    Exactly. But then of course, we both know this from experience of being slammed while holding someone in the closed guard. Let go, or get fucked up.

                                                                                                    Being lifted 2 feet of the ground and then slammed into the mat sucks major fucking ass. I imagine anything more than 2 feet to be way worse.
                                                                                                    I don't know if you remember Gitesh from class, but not too long ago it was the same situation in the academy. He had me triangled and I totally picked him up like Rampage. He wouldn't let go, and I had to choose whether to slam him or let him down gently and get out another way (or tap).

                                                                                                    I let him down gently because I didn't want to kill him. Rener looked at me like he was very disappointed, just looked at me and shook his head sadly LOL!

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