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  • brand0n
    been very busy
    • Nov 2002
    • 26983
    #101
    holy christ
    Full Services $3000/month + 20% of product/membership sales. 15% of all ad invoices not paid in advance

    youve got to be fucking KIDDIN me
    want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

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      • johndoebob
        Confirmed User
        • Mar 2004
        • 3405
        #102
        The only people who are getting 90% of their SE traffic from Google are the ones that think Google is the only SE that matters.
        That's bullshit,you can't just optimise for google it'll automaticly get you a better yahoo and msn position.

        Fact is that I get over 95% of the search engine traffic from google.And that doesn't mean you can't find my sites on the same or better position on yahoo or msn.

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          • Groove
            Confirmed User
            • Jan 2003
            • 3852
            #103
            Originally posted by johndoebob
            brand0n I just mean search engine traffic.Google traffic should normally be over 95%.
            That's total nonsense

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              • tiamath
                Registered User
                • Jan 2002
                • 12
                #104
                The only regular poster that knows the SE shit is swami

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                  • johndoebob
                    Confirmed User
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 3405
                    #105
                    Groove yeah I know you want to hear that other SEs get you 20% or more traffic because every trendy wannabe tells you yahoo and msn are up and comming but that's bullshit.

                    Check the public awstats (and they don't get less traffic):

                    http://awstats.sourceforge.net/cgi-b...name=mainright

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                      • DarkJedi
                        No Refunds Issued.
                        • Feb 2001
                        • 28301
                        #106
                        Originally posted by Groove
                        Dude, you're way behind the times. Yahoo has almost as many daily search queries as Google and you can expect MSN to start making major inroads into Google and Yahoo's market share in the not too distant future. The only people who are getting 90% of their SE traffic from Google are the ones that think Google is the only SE that matters.
                        too bad MSN doesnt allow dult sites.
                        they filter porn keywords or something.

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                          • beergood
                            Confirmed User
                            • Jun 2003
                            • 2918
                            #107
                            Originally posted by SEGuru
                            Hey Guys,

                            Just a few hints in finding a good SEO, as there are many people who seek it but really don't know what to look for in an SEO.

                            But its kind of difficult to know what questions to ask to know if they really know their stuff...without knowing SEO yourself! Catch 22.

                            First and formost, ask for a written proposal.

                            - In the proposal, you want to ask them to explain what their approach to SEO is.
                            - How they would apply their approach to your site's/campaign.
                            - Ask if they can give you guaranteed organic placement. If they say yes, they are most likely charletons. No one can make those guarantees unless its the engines themselves...so that should weed out some of the fakes.
                            - SEO's charge differently, some charge per page they build, or per keyword they attempt to place, performance, or flat retainer. Narrow down how you are comfortable paying and then go from there.
                            - Most serious SEO's will not show you their stuff, for obvious reasons. No one wants to lead people to successful pages within their niche to avoid codejackers and more competition. However, you can ask for references or even noting secondary listings that should be at the top that they feel comfortable with showing you.
                            - Ask lots of questions so you understand exactly what their plan of attack is. If you get double talk and skirting of your specific questions, then you should likely look elsewhere.

                            Also, attend the SE tradeshows and see who's staying with what's going on out there. SES starts this next week...I'll be in San Jose for it. As a business owner, you too should investigate these events as well as they are also good places to find top shelf SEO's as well.

                            If you need any other help drop me an email:
                            webmaster @ seguru.com

                            *yawn* hoooray for Darren
                            icq: 320340263

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                              • Nysus
                                Confirmed User
                                • Aug 2001
                                • 7817
                                #108
                                Originally posted by SEGuru
                                Hey Guys,

                                Just a few hints in finding a good SEO, as there are many people who seek it but really don't know what to look for in an SEO.

                                But its kind of difficult to know what questions to ask to know if they really know their stuff...without knowing SEO yourself! Catch 22.

                                First and formost, ask for a written proposal.

                                - In the proposal, you want to ask them to explain what their approach to SEO is.
                                - How they would apply their approach to your site's/campaign.
                                - Ask if they can give you guaranteed organic placement. If they say yes, they are most likely charletons. No one can make those guarantees unless its the engines themselves...so that should weed out some of the fakes.
                                - SEO's charge differently, some charge per page they build, or per keyword they attempt to place, performance, or flat retainer. Narrow down how you are comfortable paying and then go from there.
                                - Most serious SEO's will not show you their stuff, for obvious reasons. No one wants to lead people to successful pages within their niche to avoid codejackers and more competition. However, you can ask for references or even noting secondary listings that should be at the top that they feel comfortable with showing you.
                                - Ask lots of questions so you understand exactly what their plan of attack is. If you get double talk and skirting of your specific questions, then you should likely look elsewhere.

                                Also, attend the SE tradeshows and see who's staying with what's going on out there. SES starts this next week...I'll be in San Jose for it. As a business owner, you too should investigate these events as well as they are also good places to find top shelf SEO's as well.

                                If you need any other help drop me an email:
                                webmaster @ seguru.com
                                I think that's a bit flawed.

                                Any SEO that knows what they are doing would not divulge everything they know on paper, so then you don't have to pay him to do it for you.

                                Matt
                                What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now

                                Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*

                                See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645

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                                  • DarkJedi
                                    No Refunds Issued.
                                    • Feb 2001
                                    • 28301
                                    #109
                                    i got top 2 position for a good keyword in google but somehow penalized at Yahoo

                                    when i do a search for my url i cant find it.
                                    wtf is up with that ?

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                                      • Nysus
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Aug 2001
                                        • 7817
                                        #110
                                        Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                        i got top 2 position for a good keyword in google but somehow penalized at Yahoo

                                        when i do a search for my url i cant find it.
                                        wtf is up with that ?
                                        It's something you did...

                                        Matt
                                        What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now

                                        Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*

                                        See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645

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                                          • psyko514
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                                            • Oct 2002
                                            • 22366
                                            #111
                                            Originally posted by tiamath
                                            The only regular poster that knows the SE shit is swami
                                            WiredGuy as well, but he's unavailable.

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                                              • Groove
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Jan 2003
                                                • 3852
                                                #112
                                                Originally posted by johndoebob
                                                Groove yeah I know you want to hear that other SEs get you 20% or more traffic because every trendy wannabe tells you yahoo and msn are up and comming but that's bullshit.

                                                Check the public awstats (and they don't get less traffic):

                                                http://awstats.sourceforge.net/cgi-b...name=mainright
                                                All that link tells me is that http://awstats.sourceforge.net/ gets most of its traffic from Google.com. So what? That will also be the case for a large number of other sites which are well optimised for Google, but poorly optimised for Yahoo.

                                                According to Wordtracker.com, Google accounts for 112 million searches daily or 35% of total web searches. However it is closely followed by Yahoo which accounts for 95 million or 30% of total web searches.

                                                But if you want to believe that Google owns over 95% of the market that's fine by me

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                                                  • DarkJedi
                                                    No Refunds Issued.
                                                    • Feb 2001
                                                    • 28301
                                                    #113
                                                    Originally posted by Nysus
                                                    It's something you did...

                                                    Matt
                                                    ya think ?

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                                                      • baddog
                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                        • Apr 2001
                                                        • 107089
                                                        #114
                                                        Originally posted by brand0n
                                                        holy christ
                                                        Full Services $3000/month + 20% of product/membership sales. 15% of all ad invoices not paid in advance

                                                        youve got to be fucking KIDDIN me
                                                        just goes to show what you know

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                                                          • johndoebob
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Mar 2004
                                                            • 3405
                                                            #115
                                                            Groove, just check your stats and tell me what you see.

                                                            That will also be the case for a large number of other sites which are well optimised for Google, but poorly optimised for Yahoo.
                                                            Awstats isn't optimised for anything and there is no special optimisation difference that could do magic in yahoo but not in google, as I said before.

                                                            How should wordtracker know the real numbers,only yahoo can tell them.Yahoo is very popular in asia but not that popular in western countries.

                                                            Most normal western sites have over 90% google traffic.

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                                                              • DarkJedi
                                                                No Refunds Issued.
                                                                • Feb 2001
                                                                • 28301
                                                                #116
                                                                Originally posted by baddog
                                                                just goes to show what you know
                                                                20% of product/membership sales. 15% of all ad invoices not paid in advance


                                                                wtf ?
                                                                who came up with this stupid idea ?

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                                                                  • johndoebob
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Mar 2004
                                                                    • 3405
                                                                    #117
                                                                    Just buy some quality PR5+ hardlinks on related sites yourself instead of giving all your money to some SEOs who do the same,maybe even get your site google banned by "experimenting" but charge an arm and a leg.

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                                                                      • Groove
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                                        • 3852
                                                                        #118
                                                                        OK johndoebob, here's another source:

                                                                        On Tuesday, March 23, 2004, WebSideStory examined a sample of over 25 million visits and found that Google had the top share of search referrals, 40.9 percent. It was followed by Yahoo at 27.4 percent, then MSN at 19.6 percent:


                                                                        http://searchenginewatch.com/searchd...le.php/3334881

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                                                                          • Groove
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Jan 2003
                                                                            • 3852
                                                                            #119
                                                                            Originally posted by johndoebob
                                                                            Just buy some quality PR5+ hardlinks on related sites yourself instead of giving all your money to some SEOs who do the same,maybe even get your site google banned by "experimenting" but charge an arm and a leg.
                                                                            This suggestion is nuts. How the fuck is PR going to help without appropriate onsite and offsite optimisation?

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                                                                              • Theo
                                                                                HAL 9000
                                                                                • May 2001
                                                                                • 34515
                                                                                #120
                                                                                Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                                                                                how much adult traffic per day from SEO do you think someone must be receiving before start selling his service to others?
                                                                                hello

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                                                                                  • johndoebob
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Mar 2004
                                                                                    • 3405
                                                                                    #121
                                                                                    This suggestion is nuts. How the fuck is PR going to help without appropriate onsite and offsite optimisation?
                                                                                    If you aren't retarded you're able to use meta tags yourself and watch out that you don't get too spammy with keywords.

                                                                                    Just get a few links with a high PR with related content and the right keyword as linktext and you're done if the area isn't too competitive.Of cour you always got to have more than your competitors.

                                                                                    Nowdays the SEO market is much smoke around nothing.

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                                                                                      • kush
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Feb 2001
                                                                                        • 3382
                                                                                        #122
                                                                                        good luck

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                                                                                          • kush
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Feb 2001
                                                                                            • 3382
                                                                                            #123
                                                                                            Originally posted by johndoebob
                                                                                            If you aren't retarded you're able to use meta tags yourself and watch out that you don't get too spammy with keywords.

                                                                                            Just get a few links with a high PR with related content and the right keyword as linktext and you're done if the area isn't too competitive.Of cour you always got to have more than your competitors.

                                                                                            Nowdays the SEO market is much smoke around nothing.
                                                                                            finally a guy who knows what he's talking about.

                                                                                            It's all about the meta tags

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                                                                                              • Groove
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Jan 2003
                                                                                                • 3852
                                                                                                #124
                                                                                                Originally posted by johndoebob
                                                                                                If you aren't retarded you're able to use meta tags yourself and watch out that you don't get too spammy with keywords.

                                                                                                Just get a few links with a high PR with related content and the right keyword as linktext and you're done if the area isn't too competitive.Of cour you always got to have more than your competitors.

                                                                                                Nowdays the SEO market is much smoke around nothing.

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                                                                                                  • johndoebob
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Mar 2004
                                                                                                    • 3405
                                                                                                    #125
                                                                                                    It's all about the meta tags
                                                                                                    Yahoo just lists your meta description.And there isn't much more to do beside keeping the target keyword in the content under 10% (better under 5%) and maybe optimising your directory names and internal linking structure.

                                                                                                    If you've ever bought some hardlinks from quality sites with a good PR you'd know what it can do for you.

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                                                                                                      • DarkJedi
                                                                                                        No Refunds Issued.
                                                                                                        • Feb 2001
                                                                                                        • 28301
                                                                                                        #126
                                                                                                        Originally posted by johndoebob
                                                                                                        If you aren't retarded you're able to use meta tags yourself and watch out that you don't get too spammy with keywords.

                                                                                                        Just get a few links with a high PR with related content and the right keyword as linktext and you're done if the area isn't too competitive.Of cour you always got to have more than your competitors.

                                                                                                        so, why don't you show us your top listings ?

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                                                                                                          • kush
                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                            • Feb 2001
                                                                                                            • 3382
                                                                                                            #127
                                                                                                            Originally posted by johndoebob
                                                                                                            Yahoo just lists your meta description.And there isn't much more to do beside keeping the target keyword in the content under 10% (better under 5%) and maybe optimising your directory names and internal linking structure.

                                                                                                            If you've ever bought some hardlinks from quality sites with a good PR you'd know what it can do for you.
                                                                                                            I just checked some of my listings, and I disagree with you.
                                                                                                            Yahoo is not using my metas in their listing descriptions.

                                                                                                            Also anything above 5% in my eyes is spammy.

                                                                                                            Optimizing directory names and internal linking structure is just part of any good seo....

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                                                                                                              • johndoebob
                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                • 3405
                                                                                                                #128
                                                                                                                so, why don't you show us your top listings ?
                                                                                                                No need for that.People just want to hear the complicated secrets that don't exist and not the easy way.

                                                                                                                Why do you think guestbook/blog/ref spammers get an easy PR5+ on a page with almost zero content and are in the top positions?Magic seo tricks?No, just enough links and the right keywords as linktext if possible.

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                                                                                                                  • johndoebob
                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                    • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                    • 3405
                                                                                                                    #129
                                                                                                                    I just checked some of my listings, and I disagree with you.
                                                                                                                    Yahoo is not using my metas in their listing descriptions.
                                                                                                                    Yahoo took my hahahahahaha content="text here" name=description> as their listing description.

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