TGP's and free porn?

I totally agree my new program will have the same 2257 setup.

Karups are good people and good friends of mine

the same person who started it

another blast from the past

nice read, I must have missed the previous bump on this thread in 03

I wasn't against tgp's etc. I just saw this coming.

Everyone is getting discouraged about 2257

Look at the bright side. A lot of programs will have non-sexual explicit promo materials
For banners, galleries, HPA?s and FPA?s etc.

This can only benefit the industry in the long haul. Like I have been saying for years and gave up because I realized I was wasting my breath in the past.

The benefit of this would be, Surfers will be more likely to try out a low trial so there will be better conversions and since they can?t see hardcore they will most likely convert to a full membership and retain longer.
Aside from kids being able to see it free...

Wow.. this thread is scarry..

Its almost 3 years old and all that I said on the 2nd page is coming true.

I saw the writing on the wall plus I have lots of friends in high places Lets just say alot of people love porn and most of them have children.


And you must also see the future as well

BINGO.. THERE IT IS.

3 years later and it has begun.

Too bad the US is not going to see as much free porn as before..

Of course not from most sites that is..

But some, with thier connections have the ability to get the proper documentation to continue to use hardcore thumbs as secondary producers on thier sites.. Some but not all..

ITs good to have family.

this thread is getting big

It's nowhere near so simple...

The fingers of two hands are probably about enough to count the really excellent membership sites. You just might be able to find 100 that are good.

The exact numbers are a matter of perception, but I doubt many would argue that most of the product we attempt to foist off on people is second-rate and over-priced. Because we could get away with that back in '96, we are still trying to get away with it now and the only reason standards have improved at all is because TGP's and links lists started pointing at more and better content than most paysites provided. But do you seriously imagine that if this hadn't happened we could still be selling the same crap we were back then?

So the first level of unreality in this business is that we provide junk and then wonder why trials don't convert or why members only rebill for a month or two. In '96 there was a fraction of the competition there is now and the vast majority of surfers had never bought a membership. Today, thousands of sites are fighting over a relatively small number of newbies and most of our potential customers have been disappointed at least once. It's a joke to imagine we can solve our problems by tweaking the traffic but leaving the product as is. If you want a clear distinction between free content and member content, the answer is to improve the latter, not waste your time on some doomed attempt to stifle the former.

The second level of unreality is the apparent belief that everyone looking at free porn is a potential customer. Strictly according to the meaning of the word "potential" yes, but in terms of presenting a realistic opportunity to extract money from them on a regular basis, no. At the very least, not by simply denying them free porn. Indeed, I am convinced that if free porn were softcore only, most of the curious would drift back to mainstream sites far more quickly and therefore many fewer of those who did not initially intend to spend money would be around long enough to be tempted to do so.

And finally, you cannot ignore the market forces by which someone perceives a demand and satisfies it, because the internet is global. As is happening with 2257, if you limit the ability of one part of the market to satisfy a demand, another part will take up the slack. Thus it is with free porn: it is an obvious demand that someone will always be happy to accomodate. Rather than play King Canute and tell the tide to stay back, you would be better off figuring out how to monetize the traffic more effectively.

General question.
Do you think tgp owners with their servers outside of the states would follow along with the tamer galleries, or take advantage of u.s. based tgp's complying?

Very, I remember reading this thread a long time ago when I first got into Adult.

It is simple just difficult to regulate worldwide. which is the reason it got out of control and thats why they are regulating things now, of course there will always be people picking up the slack thats business and people break the law all the time.

I really think the rest of the world will soon take action. the US was just the first.

I know for a fact exclusive content won't retain or convert better from my own resources from the past 9 years and we can argue back and fourth its just my opionion and experience . But I do understand it helps generate traffic because of a fresh face factor for TGP's which last about a second till the next fresh face is released. And I agree that they forced programs to produce exclusive content but who cares when surfers can get it free. thats really my point.

I'm for new exclusive content. I just think we need to stop giving away the cow we need to just give them a nipple or two..

Very true. I've talked to friends who want me to give them free memberships, or content, and when I ask them about which sites they are member's of, etc. They all say, "none. you can get all you need for free. why pay?".

There you have it folks.

While I think some of the posts in this thread have the best intentions of trying to close the pandora's box, I doubt it would happen. Don't get me wrong, I am not knocking your efforts. If you could get the "big players" to do it, and a number of sponsors, then you would have a good start, and would start bending other's to comply to get the main traffic streams.

Since this industry IS so divided, you'd probably get a "clean" vs "rouge" splitting of the two. For anyone who wants to remain in the game.

It's one of those lesson's I learned long ago as a salesman. You would have some people who just can't sell without a promotion, or free, or some kinda offer. They can't sell on the merits of the content. Their favorite stars. That their site's better. They have to give their traffic the nude, the penetration, and so on. They just can't function, nor understand how to, much less want to, conform to the true selling tactics.

You have what they want. They are visiting your site. And YOU are the only one who can give it to them in the quality, and quanity they are looking for.