I need to address this..First off..What i have been seeing is people commenting on how gallery temps matter in terms of surfers signing up. Now is it me? Or when u use to surf porn( dont say u never did) all you were looking to do was jerk off..Mainly u would try and get free sites cuz u never wanted to pay for porn. So you would search free traffic sites. But What does a newbie surfer compared to a normal or regular surfer have to do with it? I mean why is it all of u think people sign up cuz of the gallery? They like the pics and sign up..people can care less how to temps look..They like the girl or girls on the pics..When u look for porn u look to jerk off and sign up to JERK OFF. You think a person puts a ton of thought into looking for porn other then a girlt hat attracts them. Please tell me if im wrong or give me some feedback about this...Its actually irritating..If im completly wrong then maybe i missed something but it seems no one refers to how they use to surf for porn back in the days..Seems people forgot..I didnt
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Depending on traffic sources, it's a combo of all things. Nice looking clean galleries without too much going on mixed with good content and some killer text will be your best bet. I generally use a header and footer mixed with text to get them hard, and then text to emphasize what the site offers. Also, if a submitter is pushing 500k-1 million uniques per day, graphical galleries will kill bandwidth and run up some big bills...thus limiting the amount of money that can be made profit wise.
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The easiest way to answer this is:
Next time you have a headache, go the the drugstore. Pick up a pack of pills. If you are part of the 40%+ that use Tylenol, chances are you too will pick up tylenol.
My point is...just like the surfer just wants to jerk off...you just want to cure your headache. So, why do you pick tylenol? MARKETING, that's why. And it's that same MARKETING that will make the surfer pick your site over all of the other sites advertised in the TGP.
So, yes, it does make a difference.Comment
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no no and NO
did you ever see a memberarea from epiccash, topbucks or porndollar or any other?
ussualy there i just 1 image ( the logo )
and the surfers love those memberareas, loads fast, pics loads fast so lets jerk.
no design = the way to go.
just plain htmlComment
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wow amazing...considering that everyone whos surfs for porn that I know of replies with "OOOH SHES HOT" when seeing porn and not what a nice gallery. Iv always thought it was the girls and the pics that get the people to want to sign up...Originally posted by 49thParallel
The easiest way to answer this is:
Next time you have a headache, go the the drugstore. Pick up a pack of pills. If you are part of the 40%+ that use Tylenol, chances are you too will pick up tylenol.
My point is...just like the surfer just wants to jerk off...you just want to cure your headache. So, why do you pick tylenol? MARKETING, that's why. And it's that same MARKETING that will make the surfer pick your site over all of the other sites advertised in the TGP.
So, yes, it does make a difference.SKYPE#: davievegas - email: ddmedia702[at]mail[.]comComment
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Oh they care. They just don't realize it most of the time.
It's not about who has the fanciest gallery, but you have to get their attention and convince them there is a real porn site on the other side of their click and not some shit slapped together with someones first copy of front page.
The content makes the sale but if there is nothing on the page but insignificant text full of spelling and grammatical errors then they'll never click.
There's so much more to this but I have a gallery to design
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I think fancy gallery templates have a greater purpose for impressing the TGP owner so he/she lists your gallery. Note, I'm not saying design and marketting is not important but I do believe that its become standard to have a fancy gallery template and your chances of getting listed without one are a lot less.
Do the surfers care about the fancy graphics, not too many imoComment
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now that makes more senseOriginally posted by Coatsy
I think fancy gallery templates have a greater purpose for impressing the TGP owner so he/she lists your gallery. Note, I'm not saying design and marketting is not important but I do believe that its become standard to have a fancy gallery template and your chances of getting listed without one are a lot less.
Do the surfers care about the fancy graphics, not too many imo
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Obviously not many that make their living in the Marketing/Advertising industry here. (Not surprising).
Maybe I didn't explain myself clearly enough....I didn't mean that it has to be graphically intense. What I did mean is, whether you chose to use full on graphics or just straight text...it's how you put these elements together that makes the sale. Simply throw a page together without any thought as to the message...and enjoy your bandwidth bill...because that's the only thing relating to $$$$$ that you will see.
No matter what the girl looks like...you still have to convince the surfer to leave the gallery....Last edited by 49thParallel; 07-26-2004, 04:05 PM.Comment
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Here's a gallery someone asked to be reviewed in an earlier thread..Originally posted by DavieVegas
now that makes more sense
http://www.asiancutegirl.com/lc/Hazmy_College_Cutie/
This is a perfect example of a useless gallery. That text will NEVER be read. It doesn't need 10 giant animated gifs to get the point across but it need more than this guy has in his gallery.
There's a fine line as 49thParallel stated.«-- offer extended through New Years (icq286487452)Comment
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Well what i meant had nothing to do with just throwing a gallery together and so on..I was just wondering about what a surfer looks for! I mean has anyone really had a feedback page or something to find out what nub/regular porn surfers look for? Just a thought because it seems like everyone has there own opinions of what porn surfers want...btw i am into tgp traffic and submitting galleries and am a marketerOriginally posted by 49thParallel
Obviously not many that make their living in the Marketing/Advertising industry here. (Not surprising).
Maybe I didn't explain myself clearly enough....I didn't mean that it has to be graphically intense. What I did mean is, whether you chose to use full on graphics or jsut straight text...it's how you put these elements together that makes the sale. Simply throw a page together without any though as to the message...and enjoy your bandwidth bill...because that's the only thing relating to $$$$$ that you will see.
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Davievegas...sorry, no offense intended.Comment
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I think if it came down to thumbs the surfer is going to be more influenced by what is depicted in them than the decoration around them. I've seen galleries that were nothing more than thubs in a black bg table sell while a gallery with all out thrown into design separate with little white lines because the text size of the surfers browser was not something the page author took into consideration; not to pick on our friend Juicy, but:
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no no offense takin...Im actually just wondering that is why this thread is up..Just want opinions..nice topic u knowOriginally posted by 49thParallel
Davievegas...sorry, no offense intended.
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Originally posted by Reak
no no and NO
did you ever see a memberarea from epiccash, topbucks or porndollar or any other?
ussualy there i just 1 image ( the logo )
and the surfers love those memberareas, loads fast, pics loads fast so lets jerk.
no design = the way to go.
just plain html
what he said ..Comment
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just slam lots of content on them and update it oftenComment
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Packaging and presentation do matter even if on a subconcious level only. It is not always about the product, a superior product that is marketed and or packaged improperly may often go over looked or worse yet not even get any shelf space (i.e. listings).
At same time many seem to think people are only surfing porn and signing up because they are horny or want to rub one out. So this argument will go on forever.Comment
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very trueOriginally posted by freeadultcontent
Packaging and presentation do matter even if on a subconcious level only. It is not always about the product, a superior product that is marketed and or packaged improperly may often go over looked or worse yet not even get any shelf space (i.e. listings).
At same time many seem to think people are only surfing porn and signing up because they are horny or want to rub one out. So this argument will go on forever.SKYPE#: davievegas - email: ddmedia702[at]mail[.]comComment
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Well IMO, every page is a full page ad for the paysite.
When you have all text, then the graphic elements come more into play.
When you have great content, they'll sell the paysite better than anything else.
If I go surfing and click on gallery links and see content that doesnt do it for me, I click back usually before the page is done loading.
I think you have about literally 3 seconds of opportunity. If even that much.
I think where templates gain ground is in "branding". That is to say that if you have consistently nice content and package it in the nice package of a template, people will recognize it and hang around for a bit longer on your page.
You've read it, you can't unread it.Comment
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what needs to be stressed is EFECTIVE DESIGN, rather than good design
a fancy graphics-laden design doesn't do shit if it doesn't grab the surfer's attention (remember, the surfer just wants to see the pussy, it's other adult webmasters that gie fuck one about pretty graphics)
here's an example of a gallery I built that works very well...it weeds out guys who are looking for hardcore facial cumshots or fisting...
http://www.largebreastnetwork.com/bab/galleries/jada2/
It loads fast, is clean enough to get good listings and sells the site (not to mention it does little things like linking diretly to Jada's page on the tour). The only real graphic is a little graphic logo at the top of the table. It's not going to win any design awards, but it produces a kickass ratio and that's what matters....stop thinking about "good" design and concentrate on "effective" design, there is a WORLD of difference...Comment
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Nice. I instantly saw BOOBS. I instantly thought BOOBS. I got the hint in 1 second, lol. (boobs)Originally posted by SykkBoy2
what needs to be stressed is EFECTIVE DESIGN, rather than good design
a fancy graphics-laden design doesn't do shit if it doesn't grab the surfer's attention (remember, the surfer just wants to see the pussy, it's other adult webmasters that gie fuck one about pretty graphics)
here's an example of a gallery I built that works very well...it weeds out guys who are looking for hardcore facial cumshots or fisting...
http://www.largebreastnetwork.com/bab/galleries/jada2/
It loads fast, is clean enough to get good listings and sells the site (not to mention it does little things like linking diretly to Jada's page on the tour). The only real graphic is a little graphic logo at the top of the table. It's not going to win any design awards, but it produces a kickass ratio and that's what matters....stop thinking about "good" design and concentrate on "effective" design, there is a WORLD of difference...
You've read it, you can't unread it.Comment
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This is Marketing 101.
If you have EXACTLY what the customer is looking for then yeah, it wont matter what the design looks like. But if you are trying to convince the extra sales that they should go with your product and not the competition.. then any little advantage helps. Thus the reason people go into detail on what sells better even though the majority has already made up his mind.Comment
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I think the message is much more important than the design. If you need to use design to get your message across have at er.Urbanights.com
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good post!Originally posted by sean416
This is Marketing 101.
If you have EXACTLY what the customer is looking for then yeah, it wont matter what the design looks like. But if you are trying to convince the extra sales that they should go with your product and not the competition.. then any little advantage helps. Thus the reason people go into detail on what sells better even though the majority has already made up his mind.SKYPE#: davievegas - email: ddmedia702[at]mail[.]comComment
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thanks, I always try to convey that our site is a boob fetish site and not really a hardcore porn site....little things like that in marketing can make a difference (it also results in better retention, which is important in a revshare program)Originally posted by Tom_PM
Nice. I instantly saw BOOBS. I instantly thought BOOBS. I got the hint in 1 second, lol. (boobs)
btw, any evilgeniuscash webmaster that want to steal that design, go ahead (I would suggest different pictures though as it didn't get listed on some of the TGP's because they felt there wasn't enough nudity)Comment
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It depends upon what and who you are designing for this is a crazy game we play day in and day out.
FHG's: Often it's about branding. However sometimes you still have to provide the "eyecandy" so webmasters will promote the site. If you have ugly ass galleries and they convert only those who can look past that and see the $"s will use your program. But there still is that group that's looking for eye candy who will move on to other programs.
So it depends upon who your market is even when it comes to webmasters.
Designing for submissions:
As has already been pointed out sometimes you have to give eye candy in order for your gallery to stand out from 100's if not 1,000's the TGP/MGP owner will have submitted to him/her that day.
But to think design doesn't matter is IMO *not trying to be hateful* but naive.
Other factors to consider. Niches. For instance you may want a "prettier" gallery to sell a babe site.
Where you would go with a quick and dirty gallery for a hardcore facial site.
In the end you just go with what works for you...and for some it's thumbs and html only, others it's pretty graphics.Last edited by eroswebmaster; 07-26-2004, 05:16 PM.For rent - ICQ 127-027-910
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LOL yeah kinda hard to input CC#'s.Originally posted by cherrylula
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You must place yourself in your surfer's shoes. The best way is to do the "PussyMan's Test", that is to refrain from any sexual activities for at least 72 hours, and then look at the galleries you have built. If you are enticed to actually click on the banners or links and do not end up "masturbating" to your galleries, then it's all good. If you cannot resist, then you have failed and did not have sex for 72 hours for nothing..Comment
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lol shit 72 hours with no sex?head? or jerk off? Id fuckin masterbate to a betty boop cartoon!Originally posted by PussyMan
You must place yourself in your surfer's shoes. The best way is to do the "PussyMan's Test", that is to refrain from any sexual activities for at least 72 hours, and then look at the galleries you have built. If you are enticed to actually click on the banners or links and do not end up "masturbating" to your galleries, then it's all good. If you cannot resist, then you have failed and did not have sex for 72 hours for nothing.
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It all boils down to if the "surfer" has seen the gallery - if so they wont sign up to shit no matter if the gallery is gold plated.
if you have a shit fucking gallery with a hot as babe never seen before they will sign up. how hard can this be ?
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I use basic templates, and they work just fine for me. There's no point in having paysite quality galleries, all they do is scare away dialup surfers
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Originally posted by Coatsy
I think fancy gallery templates have a greater purpose for impressing the TGP owner so he/she lists your gallery. Note, I'm not saying design and marketting is not important but I do believe that its become standard to have a fancy gallery template and your chances of getting listed without one are a lot less.
Do the surfers care about the fancy graphics, not too many imo
True, but depends on the TGP owner. You're going to be listed at the Hun easier with very simple, non-graphical gallery.
I've been doing a graphic header with a big text link at the bottom lately & it seems to be a good balance so far.
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I use the magic marketing word "KISS" - Keep It Simple Stupid it's called. I say, keep it simple, large pictures (as that's what they want) with a short punchy line to get them revving and a direct link to a hosted gallery or straight to signup.Comment
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I dont use dial up sponsors..never tried emOriginally posted by PenisFace
I use basic templates, and they work just fine for me. There's no point in having paysite quality galleries, all they do is scare away dialup surfers
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