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  • jeffrey
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    • Jul 2004
    • 1864

    #1

    "I could care less"..... damn it, stop saying that

    Its "I could NOT care less"

    Bothers me to hell when people say "I could care less...."
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  • escorpio
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    • Oct 2002
    • 23487

    #2
    Word. Fucking idiots.
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    • Mike Okitch
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      • May 2004
      • 4126

      #3
      I couldn't care less about educating morons.
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      • sumphatpimp
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        • Aug 2002
        • 5235

        #4
        I care.
        I really do.

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        • polish_aristocrat
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          • Jul 2002
          • 40377

          #5
          I COULD CARE LESS
          [Q] From Leland Woodbury, New York; related questions came from Marc Schoenfeld in San Francisco and many others.: ?Your discussion of the contradictory interpretations of cheap at half the price reminds me of a similar conundrum that keeps flustering me in comparing the phrases I couldn?t care less and I could care less, each of which (at least here in America) is used to mean the same thing (which is basically I really don?t care), even though their syntax suggests that they should be opposites.?
          [A] The form I could care less has provoked a vast amount of comment and criticism in the past thirty years or so. Few people have had a kind word for it, and many have been vehemently opposed to it (William and Mary Morris, for example, in the Harper Dictionary of Contemporary Usage, back in 1975, called it ?an ignorant debasement of language?, which seems much too powerful a condemnation). Writers are less inclined to abuse it these days, perhaps because Americans have had time to get used to it.
          A bit of history first: the original expression, of course, was I couldn?t care less, meaning ?it is impossible for me to have less interest or concern in this matter, since I am already utterly indifferent?. It is originally British. The first record of it in print I know of is in 1946, as the title of a book by Anthony Phelps, recording his experiences in Air Transport Auxiliary during World War II. By then it had clearly become sufficiently well known that he could rely on its being recognised. It seems to have reached the US some time in the 1950s and to have become popular in the latter part of that decade. The inverted form I could care less was coined in the US and is found only there. It may have begun to be used in the early 1960s, though it turns up in a written form only in 1966.
          Why it lost its negative has been much discussed. It?s clear that the process is different from the shift in meaning that took place with cheap at half the price. In that case, the inversion was due to a mistaken interpretation of its meaning, as has happened, for example, with beg the question.
          In these cases people have tried to apply logic, and it has failed them. Attempts to be logical about I could care less also fail. Taken literally, if one could care less, then one must care at least a little, which is obviously the opposite of what is meant. It is so clearly logical nonsense that to condemn it for being so (as some commentators have done) misses the point. The intent is obviously sarcastic?the speaker is really saying, ?As if there was something in the world that I care less about?.
          However, this doesn?t explain how it came about in the first place. Something caused the negative to vanish even while the original form of the expression was still very much in vogue and available for comparison. Stephen Pinker, in The Language Instinct, points out that the pattern of intonation in the two versions is very different.
          There?s a close link between the stress pattern of I could care less and the kind that appears in certain sarcastic or self-deprecatory phrases that are associated with the Yiddish heritage and (especially) New York Jewish speech. Perhaps the best known is I should be so lucky!, in which the real sense is often ?I have no hope of being so lucky?, a closely similar stress pattern with the same sarcastic inversion of meaning. There?s no evidence to suggest that I could care less came directly from Yiddish, but the similarity is suggestive. There are other American expressions that have a similar sarcastic inversion of apparent sense, such as Tell me about it!, which usually means ?Don?t tell me about it, because I know all about it already?. These may come from similar sources.
          So it?s actually a very interesting linguistic development. But it is still regarded as slangy, and also has some social class stigma attached. And because it is hard to be sarcastic in writing, it loses its force when put on paper and just ends up looking stupid. In such cases, the older form, while still rather colloquial, at least will communicate your meaning?at least to those who really could care less.


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          • taibo
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            • May 2005
            • 3720

            #6
            u must be really serious about this

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            • alexg
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              • Aug 2003
              • 11287

              #7
              Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
              I COULD CARE LESS
              [Q] From Leland Woodbury, New York; related questions came from Marc Schoenfeld in San Francisco and many others.: ?Your discussion of the contradictory interpretations of cheap at half the price reminds me of a similar conundrum that keeps flustering me in comparing the phrases I couldn?t care less and I could care less, each of which (at least here in America) is used to mean the same thing (which is basically I really don?t care), even though their syntax suggests that they should be opposites.?
              [A] The form I could care less has provoked a vast amount of comment and criticism in the past thirty years or so. Few people have had a kind word for it, and many have been vehemently opposed to it (William and Mary Morris, for example, in the Harper Dictionary of Contemporary Usage, back in 1975, called it ?an ignorant debasement of language?, which seems much too powerful a condemnation). Writers are less inclined to abuse it these days, perhaps because Americans have had time to get used to it.
              A bit of history first: the original expression, of course, was I couldn?t care less, meaning ?it is impossible for me to have less interest or concern in this matter, since I am already utterly indifferent?. It is originally British. The first record of it in print I know of is in 1946, as the title of a book by Anthony Phelps, recording his experiences in Air Transport Auxiliary during World War II. By then it had clearly become sufficiently well known that he could rely on its being recognised. It seems to have reached the US some time in the 1950s and to have become popular in the latter part of that decade. The inverted form I could care less was coined in the US and is found only there. It may have begun to be used in the early 1960s, though it turns up in a written form only in 1966.
              Why it lost its negative has been much discussed. It?s clear that the process is different from the shift in meaning that took place with cheap at half the price. In that case, the inversion was due to a mistaken interpretation of its meaning, as has happened, for example, with beg the question.
              In these cases people have tried to apply logic, and it has failed them. Attempts to be logical about I could care less also fail. Taken literally, if one could care less, then one must care at least a little, which is obviously the opposite of what is meant. It is so clearly logical nonsense that to condemn it for being so (as some commentators have done) misses the point. The intent is obviously sarcastic?the speaker is really saying, ?As if there was something in the world that I care less about?.
              However, this doesn?t explain how it came about in the first place. Something caused the negative to vanish even while the original form of the expression was still very much in vogue and available for comparison. Stephen Pinker, in The Language Instinct, points out that the pattern of intonation in the two versions is very different.
              There?s a close link between the stress pattern of I could care less and the kind that appears in certain sarcastic or self-deprecatory phrases that are associated with the Yiddish heritage and (especially) New York Jewish speech. Perhaps the best known is I should be so lucky!, in which the real sense is often ?I have no hope of being so lucky?, a closely similar stress pattern with the same sarcastic inversion of meaning. There?s no evidence to suggest that I could care less came directly from Yiddish, but the similarity is suggestive. There are other American expressions that have a similar sarcastic inversion of apparent sense, such as Tell me about it!, which usually means ?Don?t tell me about it, because I know all about it already?. These may come from similar sources.
              So it?s actually a very interesting linguistic development. But it is still regarded as slangy, and also has some social class stigma attached. And because it is hard to be sarcastic in writing, it loses its force when put on paper and just ends up looking stupid. In such cases, the older form, while still rather colloquial, at least will communicate your meaning?at least to those who really could care less.


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              • CDSmith
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                • May 2001
                • 51460

                #8
                I'm still not sure just how much less I could care about this.

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                • juve20
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                  • Feb 2005
                  • 2542

                  #9
                  thanks for reminding me.

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                  • tradermcduck
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                    • Apr 2001
                    • 2362

                    #10
                    Thanks for your educative post
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                    • Nylz
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                      • Apr 2004
                      • 8285

                      #11
                      Originally posted by jeffrey
                      Bothers me to hell when people say "I could care less...."
                      *shrugs*

                      I could care less...
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                      • Robertf
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                        • Feb 2004
                        • 392

                        #12
                        I could care less .. just not feeling to care even lesser so that I coudn't care less ....

                        Anyhow .. I believe their is a shortage of teachers .. why not bring your wisdom to good use .. :-)
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                        • bringer
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                          • Jul 2003
                          • 13082

                          #13
                          i could not care about caring less about caring
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                          • gecko
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                            • Jun 2002
                            • 21846

                            #14
                            I could care less ..
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                            • bhutocracy
                              Not making A Comeback
                              • Dec 2001
                              • 10218

                              #15
                              It shits me to tears as well... it sounds incredibly uneducated -?an ignorant debasement of language? is a great description of it.. it makes me feel sorry for the person using it.

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                              • Terry
                                Confirmed User
                                • Jan 2002
                                • 1604

                                #16
                                But what if I could really care less .. what if there is that last little bit in me? Would that then be ok to use the term "I could care less"?
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                                • feN
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                                  • Aug 2003
                                  • 2547

                                  #17
                                  lol yea, bothers me too, even though i'm not american..

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                                  • the real magoo
                                    So Fucking Banned
                                    • Sep 2001
                                    • 1637

                                    #18
                                    I could care less

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                                    • megatgpdotnet
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                                      • Jun 2004
                                      • 1296

                                      #19
                                      I could care less about this thread :D
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                                      • Mrs. Lenny2
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                                        • Apr 2005
                                        • 1175

                                        #20
                                        I admit that I am guilty of saying "I could care less" but it's so commonplace that if you say it the correct way, people look at you strangely.

                                        What bothers me is the common misuse of the following:
                                        "your"
                                        "you're"
                                        "there"
                                        "they're"
                                        and "their"

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                                        • Rui
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                                          • Dec 2001
                                          • 9533

                                          #21
                                          okay...now please tell us how you REALLY fell

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                                          • Robertf
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                                            • Feb 2004
                                            • 392

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Rui
                                            okay...now please tell us how you REALLY fell
                                            I think he really fell bad
                                            ....

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                                            • jimmyf
                                              OU812
                                              • Feb 2001
                                              • 12651

                                              #23
                                              I don't give a fuck if it bothers you if i say

                                              could NOT care less
                                              or
                                              I could care less

                                              little shit... if stuff likes this bothers you seek help, life is way 2 short.
                                              Last edited by jimmyf; 06-05-2005, 06:56 AM.
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                                              • jimmyf
                                                OU812
                                                • Feb 2001
                                                • 12651

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Mrs. Lenny2
                                                I admit that I am guilty of saying "I could care less" but it's so commonplace that if you say it the correct way, people look at you strangely.

                                                What bothers me is the common misuse of the following:
                                                "your"
                                                "you're"
                                                "there"
                                                "they're"
                                                and "their"

                                                I forgot the proper way 2 use your and you're and there and they're and their YEARS ago and I ain't going 2 again.

                                                AND is another one
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