I can never wrap my head around legal jargon, fuckign talking in circles is all they do with ref to this ref to that and ref back to something I read 10 mins ago that is contradicting to itself.
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they aren't proposed changes, they are definite changes that will go into effect on the 24th of august
basically, if you run a server and have naked images on the server for the people to view, you have to have full 2257 docs on that model...and each pic has to be cross referenced in a database
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Pay me $100 per domain and you can put my polish whois info there and i will answer all cals :DI don't use ICQ anymore.Comment
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all that will get you is polish whois, it won't get you exemption from the lawOriginally posted by polish_aristocrat
Pay me $100 per domain and you can put my polish whois info there and i will answer all cals :DComment
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so basically I have to keep a central page that contains all information on that model as she appears on my own server and link to it from every page that model appears on right? What if jonny on another server uses the same model? Does he have to link to that same page of mine from his? Or is it totally seperate? What happens if it's old pages that cannot be deleted or changed due to TGP and link list bannings? This severely sucks.Originally posted by JaceXXX
they aren't proposed changes, they are definite changes that will go into effect on the 24th of august
basically, if you run a server and have naked images on the server for the people to view, you have to have full 2257 docs on that model...and each pic has to be cross referenced in a database
this includes banner ads, pics, videos, etc....ANY naked picture must have documentation to go with itComment
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someone deleted their post, I saw it 3 mins ago, dude, don't hide from your coments, they are justified and your own opinion and you have every right to say them, even f it is about a "playa"Comment
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what did he say?Originally posted by iwantchixx
someone deleted their post, I saw it 3 mins ago, dude, don't hide from your coments, they are justified and your own opinion and you have every right to say them, even f it is about a "playa"I don't use ICQ anymore.Comment
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Nothing that wasen't already said by Jace really. it was a small thing he said that made me think he deleted it for a reason, he just deleted it cause it was easier than editing what he already said.Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
what did he say?Comment
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naked or sexually explicit content?Comment
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jonny has nothing to do with you manOriginally posted by iwantchixx
so basically I have to keep a central page that contains all information on that model as she appears on my own server and link to it from every page that model appears on right? What if jonny on another server uses the same model? Does he have to link to that same page of mine from his? Or is it totally seperate? What happens if it's old pages that cannot be deleted or changed due to TGP and link list bannings? This severely sucks.
you are on your own 100% to do your own docs, nobody else can have your and you can't have anyone elses
if you have a naked image for people to see, you have to have the docs on that model, jonny has nothing to do with youComment
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yeah, that was wierdOriginally posted by iwantchixx
someone deleted their post, I saw it 3 mins ago, dude, don't hide from your coments, they are justified and your own opinion and you have every right to say them, even f it is about a "playa"
i went to quote him and it was gone by the time I had the chanceComment
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and this isn't a page on the web you keep, this is a local database file you keep on your computer....NEVER make it on the web, 2257 docs contain models info, don't chance that being made publicOriginally posted by iwantchixx
so basically I have to keep a central page that contains all information on that model as she appears on my own server and link to it from every page that model appears on right? What if jonny on another server uses the same model? Does he have to link to that same page of mine from his? Or is it totally seperate? What happens if it's old pages that cannot be deleted or changed due to TGP and link list bannings? This severely sucks.Comment
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I run about 50 rate my pic sites, are we talking nude as in tits showing or we talking fucking here, I thought i read somewhere were it was sexually explicit content onlly?Comment
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Originally posted by JaceXXX
and this isn't a page on the web you keep, this is a local database file you keep on your computer....NEVER make it on the web, 2257 docs contain models info, don't chance that being made public
aaaaaah. So no linking needed. Awesome. I was under impression from others on the board freaking out that we now had to have a publicly viewable 2257 page with information.Comment
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as far as I know, anything which implies sexual explicit acts and/or nudityOriginally posted by 80smetal
I run about 50 rate my pic sites, are we talking nude as in tits showing or we talking fucking here, I thought i read somewhere were it was sexually explicit content onlly?Comment
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SEXUALLY EXPLICIT CONDUCT - Actual or simulated sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; bestiality; masturbation; sadistic or masochistic abuse; or lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person.Comment
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(c) Producer means any person, including any individual, corporation, or other organization, who is a primary producer or a secondary producer.Originally posted by JaceXXX
they aren't proposed changes, they are definite changes that will go into effect on the 24th of august
basically, if you run a server and have naked images on the server for the people to view, you have to have full 2257 docs on that model...and each pic has to be cross referenced in a database
this includes banner ads, pics, videos, etc....ANY naked picture must have documentation to go with it
(1) A primary producer is any person who actually films, videotapes, photographs, or creates a computer-generated image, digital image, or picture of, or digitizes an image of, a visual depiction of actual sexually explicit conduct.
(2) A secondary producer is any person who produces, assembles, manufactures, publishes, duplicates, reproduces, or reissues a book, magazine, periodical, film, videotape, a computer-generated image, digital image, or picture, or other matter intended for commercial distribution that contains a visual depiction of actual sexually explicit conduct, or who inserts on a computer site or service a digital image of, or otherwise manages the content of a computer site or service [JDO: No "commercial" purpose included here.] that contains a visual depiction of, actual sexually explicit conduct, including any person who enters into a contract, agreement, or conspiracy to do any of the foregoing.
NOT naked sexually explicit?Comment
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no, you need to have a page on your site that shows you business address, and it has to be a physical address, not a po boxOriginally posted by iwantchixx
aaaaaah. So no linking needed. Awesome. I was under impression from others on the board freaking out that we now had to have a publicly viewable 2257 page with information.
ALL adult sites HAVE to now have a 2257 page, so when they wanna come and check you out, they know where to knockComment
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gotcha. So any psycho surfer who is offended by the word "teen" can now easier than ever find out where I live and murder my gf and I in our sleep? niceOriginally posted by JaceXXX
no, you need to have a page on your site that shows you business address, and it has to be a physical address, not a po box
ALL adult sites HAVE to now have a 2257 page, so when they wanna come and check you out, they know where to knock
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i don't plan to comply. First i'll have to see few people getting jailed to be bothered
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yup...nice, huh?Originally posted by iwantchixx
gotcha. So any psycho surfer who is offended by the word "teen" can now easier than ever find out where I live and murder my gf and I in our sleep? nice
welcome to the land of AsscrackComment
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Originally posted by JaceXXX
yup...nice, huh?
welcome to the land of Asscrack
can't we protect ourselves somehow from this? Don't they realize how dangerous this is? fuckComment
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Originally posted by iwantchixx
can't we protect ourselves somehow from this? Don't they realize how dangerous this is? fuck
submit comments here:
and make it professional, and make fucking sense...the better we sounds doing this to more likely they are to listen
http://www.regulations.gov/
do a keyword search on
2723-2004 and then scroll down the page for "Submit a Comment on this Regulation" [comments have to be in by August 24th].Comment
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Originally posted by JaceXXX
submit comments here:
and make it professional, and make fucking sense...the better we sounds doing this to more likely they are to listen
http://www.regulations.gov/
do a keyword search on
2723-2004 and then scroll down the page for "Submit a Comment on this Regulation" [comments have to be in by August 24th].
Will do. I think everyone should comment about this. This is what bothers me the most now about all this. It's bad enough that I get death threats in my email amost daily, now all I need is people comming to my door about it.Comment
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Originally posted by JaceXXX
quote:
SEXUALLY EXPLICIT CONDUCT - Actual or simulated sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; bestiality; masturbation; sadistic or masochistic abuse; or lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person.
pretty clear to me that it means
tits ok (unless the titty bearer is wacking it)
everything else = bad
PS:
take from this page: http://www.regulations.gov/freddocs/04-13792.htm
"Sec. 75.7 Exemption statement.
(a) Any producer of any book, magazine, periodical, film,
videotape, computer-generated image, digital image, picture, or other
matter may cause to be affixed to every copy of the matter a statement
attesting that the matter is not covered by the record-keeping
requirements of 18 U.S.C. 2257(a)-(c) and of this part if:
(1) The matter contains only visual depictions of actual sexually
explicit conduct made before November 1, 1990, or is produced,
manufactured, published, duplicated, reproduced, or reissued before May
26, 1992;
(2) The matter contains only visual depictions of simulated
sexually explicit conduct; or,
(3) The matter contains only some combination of the visual
depictions described in paragraphs (a)(1) and (a)(2) of this section.
(b) If the primary producer and the secondary producer are
different entities, the primary producer may certify to the secondary
producer that the visual depictions in the matter satisfy the standards
under paragraphs (a)(1) through (a)(3) of this section. The secondary
producer may then cause to be affixed to every copy of the matter a
statement attesting that the matter is not covered by the record-
keeping requirements of 18 U.S.C. 2257(a)-(c) and of this part."Investor with 5m - 15m USD to invest. Do you have a site or network of sites earning 50k - 200k a month income? Email your contact and preliminary data to: domain.cashventures (at) gmail.com....Please...no tire kickers...serious offers and inquiries only.
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GREAT...Originally posted by iwantchixx
gotcha. So any psycho surfer who is offended by the word "teen" can now easier than ever find out where I live and murder my gf and I in our sleep? nice
I think I agree with everyone else, I'll wait for a few prosecutions, buy a better shotgun, and then comply with the regs.Comment
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what if I only use sponsor content...just to link to the sponsors 2257 page from my galleries, free sites etc?Comment
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dude, ONCE AGAINOriginally posted by Paparazzi
what if I only use sponsor content...just to link to the sponsors 2257 page from my galleries, free sites etc?
IF YOU HAVE NAKED IMAGES ON YOUR SERVER YOU HAVE TO COMPLY, YOU CAN NOT POINT TO WHERE THE DOCS MIGHT BE...YOU HAVE TO HAVE THEM PERSONALLY IN YOUR OWN FILING SYSTEMComment
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Originally posted by JaceXXX
this includes banner ads, pics, videos, etc....ANY naked picture must have documentation to go with it [/B]
LOTS of misinformation being spewed in these threads.
only certain types of content are relevant to 2257, go read the law.
and if you can't read get out of the biz.Comment
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Ok I actually have a serious question.
Do these rules apply to residents of the U.S only?
I reside in the U.K, but as far as I know my hosts are inside the U.S would this make me exempt from this law, or would I have to make all my sites 2257 complient?
Fucking pain in the ass this is.Comment
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Originally posted by latinasojourn
LOTS of misinformation being spewed in these threads.
only certain types of content are relevant to 2257, go read the law.
and if you can't read get out of the biz.um...a banner ad has depictions of sexual conductother matter that contains one or more visual depictions of actual sexually explicit conduct made after November 1, 1990Comment
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tons and tons of banners do NOT show sexually explicit content. Pff I use text links anyway with better ctr.Originally posted by JaceXXX
um...a banner ad has depictions of sexual conductComment
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oh no shit, really? but that isn't what we are talking about is it? we are talking about things that affected by the new 2257, and things that don't have sexually explicit content on them aren't in this convoOriginally posted by 80smetal
tons and tons of banners do NOT show sexually explicit content. Pff I use text links anyway with better ctr.Comment
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explain this comment then, its so wrong its not even funny, what does naked have to do with 2257? Naked in no way means sexually explicit by definitionOriginally posted by JaceXXX
basically, if you run a server and have naked images on the server for the people to view, you have to have full 2257 docs on that model...and each pic has to be cross referenced in a database
this includes banner ads, pics, videos, etc....ANY naked picture must have documentation to go with it
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would pics of a chick masturbating be deemed EXPLICIT?
a naked chick posing normally?
or is it only for actual hardcore sex (blowjobs, fucking and all that shit)
I need to be 100% sure on all of this.ICQ: 16544251 - Skype: gator37 @ eastlink.ca - email: yngwie @ isys.caComment
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I'm guessing that yes, it's deemed explicit but as I said, I want to be 100% sureICQ: 16544251 - Skype: gator37 @ eastlink.ca - email: yngwie @ isys.caComment
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SEXUALLY EXPLICIT CONDUCT - Actual or simulated sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; bestiality; masturbation; sadistic or masochistic abuse; or lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person.Originally posted by Yngwie
would pics of a chick masturbating be deemed EXPLICIT?
a naked chick posing normally?
or is it only for actual hardcore sex (blowjobs, fucking and all that shit)
I need to be 100% sure on all of this.
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yes, I read that but wanted to be 100% sure.ICQ: 16544251 - Skype: gator37 @ eastlink.ca - email: yngwie @ isys.caComment
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I was wondering the same thing.Originally posted by Project-Shadow
Ok I actually have a serious question.
Do these rules apply to residents of the U.S only?
I reside in the U.K, but as far as I know my hosts are inside the U.S would this make me exempt from this law, or would I have to make all my sites 2257 complient?
Fucking pain in the ass this is.Comment
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Well to semi-answer my own question.
http://www.adultwebmasters.co.uk/cha...d=1&post=17863
It seems a bit iffy though.. e.g.
You have a Brit girls site, but host it in the U.S, the only identification that would be acceptable is from what i've read is an ID card... something that only U.S citizens are issued with.
Maybe I need to phone asskroft and ask him myself. -_-''Comment
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Sorry it was me... Im mad lazy =)Originally posted by JaceXXX
yeah, that was wierd
i went to quote him and it was gone by the time I had the chance
Plus you gave the jist of it in your post, minus the playa comments about Aaron.Comment
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no. tits not ok.Originally posted by TheJimmy
pretty clear to me that it means
tits ok (unless the titty bearer is wacking it).
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Sec. 75.1 Definitions.Originally posted by Project-Shadow
Well to semi-answer my own question.
http://www.adultwebmasters.co.uk/cha...d=1&post=17863
It seems a bit iffy though.. e.g.
You have a Brit girls site, but host it in the U.S, the only identification that would be acceptable is from what i've read is an ID card... something that only U.S citizens are issued with.
Maybe I need to phone asskroft and ask him myself. -_-''
b) Picture identification card means a document issued by the
United States, a State government or a political subdivision thereof, or a United States territory that bears the photograph and the name of the individual identified, and provides sufficient specific information that it can be accessed from the issuing authority, e.g., a passport issued by the United States or a foreign country, driver's license issued by a State or the District of Columbia, or identification card issued by a State or the District of Columbia..
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I'm still smoking mad about having to show my home address where myself, my girlfirnd and our soon to be born baby reside. This is NOT safe practice.
I wonder if a person could use a c/o address? Or we should band together as local as possible and pay a piss poor price to rent some piss poor rat infested office somewhere for shit like this.Comment
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Cheers...Originally posted by jonesy
Sec. 75.1 Definitions.
b) Picture identification card means a document issued by the
United States, a State government or a political subdivision thereof, or a United States territory that bears the photograph and the name of the individual identified, and provides sufficient specific information that it can be accessed from the issuing authority, e.g., a passport issued by the United States or a foreign country, driver's license issued by a State or the District of Columbia, or identification card issued by a State or the District of Columbia.
But how many people honestly take scans of a passport?
I know if I shot my own content I wouldnt be scanning passports... This law is retarded -_-'Comment
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I love all these people on this board giving legal advice who aren't attorneys.
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This is why we have attorneys.Originally posted by iwantchixx
I can never wrap my head around legal jargon, fuckign talking in circles is all they do with ref to this ref to that and ref back to something I read 10 mins ago that is contradicting to itself.
This is why attorneys write the laws so you won't be able to understand them in plain english and will have to pay them to explain it to you for $300 an hour.
This is why lawyers like becoming politicians so they can write more laws for their law firms to confuse the legal system with and make money from.
This is why lobbyists who are usually lawyers too are paid by other lawyers to get more laws passed that nobody will understand except the lawyers.
This is why our country's legal system is so fucked up, because the lawyers have injected so many conflicting and deliberately confusing laws into the system that now they don't even know what the law is any more.
Welcome to the legal system, you may enter the maze here, there is no exit, only loopholes to sneak your way out. Good luck and bring your checkbook with you.
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Originally posted by KRL
This is why we have attorneys.
This is why attorneys write the laws so you won't be able to understand them in plain english and will have to pay them to explain it to you for $300 an hour.
This is why lawyers like becoming politicians so they can write more laws for their law firms to confuse the legal system with and make money from.
This is why lobbyists who are usually lawyers too are paid by other lawyers to get more laws passed that nobody will understand except the lawyers.
This is why our country's legal system is so fucked up, because the lawyers have injected so many conflicting and deliberately confusing laws into the system that now they don't even know what the law is any more.
Welcome to the legal system, you may enter the maze here, there is no exit, only loopholes to sneak your way out. Good luck and bring your checkbook with you.
Holy fuck, so true hahaComment
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I've spoken with three decent lawyers that specialize in internet law and 2257 and their answers are as varied as what the non-lawyers have said in this thread.Originally posted by KRL
I love all these people on this board giving legal advice who aren't attorneys.
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