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Conservatives pick "Top 10 most harmful books"

06-01-2005, 09:23 PM

Conservatives pick the Ten Most Harmful Books of the 19th and 20th Centuries
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=7591

#10) General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money
by John Maynard Keynes

Keynes was an economic advisor to F.D.R. and his policies helped get us out of the great depression. Wow, that's harmful.

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Unsafe at Any Speed
by Ralph Nader

WTF??? How dare Mr Nader expose the safety flaws of automobiles and force the industry to implement safety features that now save thousands of lives a year.

Introduction to Psychoanalysis
by Sigmund Freud

Yeah we don't need "doctors" talking to people about their problems, they just need "Jesus"

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06-01-2005, 09:31 PM

Lolol

And what's wrong with the communist manifesto? It's actually quite an interesting read.

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06-01-2005, 09:33 PM

Many Bush supporters would like to burn all science books and replace them with the bible.

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06-01-2005, 09:36 PM

Origin of the Species
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06-01-2005, 09:53 PM

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06-01-2005, 09:58 PM

I've read a couple of those books already, a few others I wrote down to get.
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06-01-2005, 10:00 PM

5. Democracy and Education

That's a real dangerous one.
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06-01-2005, 10:01 PM

i dont see "everybody poops" on there
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06-01-2005, 10:03 PM

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5. Democracy and Education

That's a real dangerous one.

Well it was written by a "progressive" who thought we should teach children thinking "skills" instead of moral values in school.

His views had great influence on the direction of American education--particularly in public schools--and helped nurture the Clinton generation.

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06-01-2005, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by Lensman

[...] real dangerous one.

I see you have taken advantage of that particular educational system. ;)
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06-01-2005, 10:53 PM

how did mein kampf make that list. thats as right wing as you get...

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06-01-2005, 10:58 PM

I wonder how many of these judges actually read the books they voted for.
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06-01-2005, 11:25 PM

LOL

they put The Kinsey Report on there!

I guess they feel we should revert back to the 16th Century and let Mother Church decide for us what is right and what is wrong. Let us purchase Indulgences to clense us of our sexual sins (tree of knowlege) so that our payment may pave the way for us to heaven.
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06-01-2005, 11:25 PM

In conservative's mind: 'doesn't agree with my viewpoint' = 'harmful'

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06-01-2005, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by Muff

I wonder how many of these judges actually read the books they voted for.

Why do you hate America?

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06-01-2005, 11:28 PM

Im suprised Heather has Two Mommies isn't on that list
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06-01-2005, 11:35 PM

LOL -- as bugs would say -- "what a maroon" --

Each panelist nominated a number of titles and then voted on a ballot including all books nominated.

I'll bet it was a secret ballot -- [mth=randgen](emoticon)[/mth]

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06-01-2005, 11:40 PM

Somehow the Bible didn't make the list. The most dangerous book of all.
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06-01-2005, 11:40 PM

Sheesh.........

Nada to say.... there are some very sick people out there..

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06-01-2005, 11:51 PM

They really don't like Marx's works

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06-01-2005, 11:59 PM

Damn, I've read quite a few of these books and some others are on my reading list. Maybe this explains my chosen profession.

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06-02-2005, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by PenisFace

Lolol

And what's wrong with the communist manifesto? It's actually quite an interesting read.

It's interesting. It's just wrong ;-)

I do think it to be one of the best written books of all-time. The English translation anyway.

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06-02-2005, 12:18 AM

Yes basically any book that questions authority or God or makes one think or ponder about other ways of thinking is "evil".

Actually #1 on that list should be The Holy Bible. People have used that book as an excuse to kill and harm and ruin more lives than all 30 books on that list combined 100X over.
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06-02-2005, 12:25 AM

Originally posted by Bansheelinks

LOL

they put The Kinsey Report on there!

I guess they feel we should revert back to the 16th Century and let Mother Church decide for us what is right and what is wrong. Let us purchase Indulgences to clense us of our sexual sins (tree of knowlege) so that our payment may pave the way for us to heaven.

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06-02-2005, 12:28 AM

My friend would say out loud: The Bible
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06-02-2005, 12:39 AM

there are some great books on that list. doesn't surprise me though, most neo con's don't strike me as the reading type.

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06-02-2005, 12:39 AM

I read most of those books on the list and you know what really scary. We read them in school.
Mein Kampf was required reading when I grew up (ok I am old)
KInsey Report I got from my parents he he
I still have Naders book here (Only because he signed it)
The Communist Manifesto - Thats actually a pretty good book. If youre open minded

Oh my Oh my.. I guess I better hurry and get those books before they will be banned

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06-02-2005, 01:01 AM

So Darwin's great works plus Silent Spring make the list but nothing by Machiavelli or Hobbes cracks the Top 10? Nice to see evolution is a "most harmful" concept. Fucking idiots.

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06-02-2005, 01:01 AM

It would be an offense to othert if I would add another one...so, I'll just leave it to myself! Conservative idiots!
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06-02-2005, 01:05 AM

One thing I did notice about the booklist - there was no aversion to selling em thru an Amazon affiliate account tho they may be against their "beliefs"

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06-02-2005, 01:07 AM

1. The Communist Manifesto
Authors: Karl Marx and Freidrich Engels
Publication date: 1848

2. Mein Kampf
Author: Adolf Hitler
Publication date: 1925-26

3. Quotations from Chairman Mao
Author: Mao Zedong
Publication date: 1966

4. The Kinsey Report
Author: Alfred Kinsey
Publication date: 1948

5. Democracy and Education
Author: John Dewey
Publication date: 1916

6. Das Kapital
Author: Karl Marx
Publication date: 1867-1894

7. The Feminine Mystique
Author: Betty Friedan
Publication date: 1963

8. The Course of Positive Philosophy
Author: Auguste Comte
Publication date: 1830-1842

9. Beyond Good and Evil
Author: Freidrich Nietzsche
Publication date: 1886

10. General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money
Author: John Maynard Keynes
Publication date: 1936

HONORABLE MENTION

These books won votes from two or more judges:

The Population Bomb
by Paul Ehrlich

What Is To Be Done
by V.I. Lenin

Authoritarian Personality
by Theodor Adorno

On Liberty
by John Stuart Mill

Beyond Freedom and Dignity
by B.F. Skinner

Reflections on Violence
by Georges Sorel

The Promise of American Life
by Herbert Croly

Origin of the Species
by Charles Darwin

Madness and Civilization
by Michel Foucault

Soviet Communism: A New Civilization
by Sidney and Beatrice Webb

Coming of Age in Samoa
by Margaret Mead

Unsafe at Any Speed
by Ralph Nader

Second Sex
by Simone de Beauvoir

Prison Notebooks
by Antonio Gramsci

Silent Spring
by Rachel Carson

Wretched of the Earth
by Frantz Fanon

Introduction to Psychoanalysis
by Sigmund Freud

The Greening of America
by Charles Reich

The Limits to Growth
by Club of Rome

Descent of Man
by Charles Darwin

THE JUDGES

These 15 scholars and public policy leaders served as judges in selecting the Ten Most Harmful Books.

Arnold Beichman
Research Fellow
Hoover Institution

Prof. Brad Birzer
Hillsdale College

Harry Crocker
Vice President & Executive Editor
Regnery Publishing, Inc.

Prof. Marshall DeRosa
Florida Atlantic University

Dr. Don Devine
Second Vice Chairman
American Conservative Union

Prof. Robert George
Princeton University

Prof. Paul Gottfried
Elizabethtown College

Prof. William Anthony Hay
Mississippi State University

Herb London
President
Hudson Institute

Prof. Mark Malvasi
Randolph-Macon College

Douglas Minson
Associate Rector
The Witherspoon Fellowships

Prof. Mark Molesky
Seton Hall University

Prof. Stephen Presser
Northwestern University

Phyllis Schlafly
President
Eagle Forum

Fred Smith
President
Competitive Enterprise Institute

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06-02-2005, 01:17 AM

Originally posted by Lenny2

#10) General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money
by John Maynard Keynes

Keynes was an economic advisor to F.D.R. and his policies helped get us out of the great depression. Wow, that's harmful.

the best is they blame the current deficeit on FDR.

"FDR adopted the idea as U.S. policy, and the U.S. government now has a $2.6-trillion annual budget and an $8-trillion dollar debt."

whats funny is they forgot to mention that clinton balanced the budget when he left office

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06-02-2005, 01:25 AM

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06-02-2005, 02:25 AM

...disbelief..

US right winger/conservatives, never cease to amaze me with their actions. Something like this would be considered satire or paradoy if it was fiction!!!
I don't know whether to laugh or be scared (I suppose laugh cuz I'm seperated by the Atlantic from you unfortunate US citizens who have to put up with it-but it still scares me people think like this)

How many have read any of those books?
I mean Das Kapital is HUGE. I was well into learning about Marxism years ago, read the Comm Manifesto (nice "pamphlet" size-ish), thought about looking at Das Kapital, saw how big each volume was, had a scan and decided I couldn't afford to concentrate for the amount of time it'd have taken me to read it...probably 6 months non-stop!
So if I was interested, and didn't read it, what's the chance they have?
Probably been "advised" to not like it.

As for On Liberty by Mill, when I studied that it talked a huge amount about individual freedom. I thought Republican/Conservatives were all for that, and I'm sure if they traced their policies back to fundamentals they'd see some coming from the ideas in that book.

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"Why do you hate America?

Questioning authority is the same as supporting the terrorists!"

Where did that come from?
No where near the same things. You must be trying to wind us up..surely..I hope so?? You can't be for real.

Quote from the website review of Comm Manifesto
"The Evil Empire of the Soviet Union put the Manifesto into practice."

With out going into too many finer points, it didn't. Communisum and what happened in the USSR , especially under Stalin, were not the same. No one has ever implemented pure Communism, closest thing you'd get to it is probably an Israeli Kibbutz or similar sort of commune.

And for any interested in Marx, history still hasn't completely proved him wrong yet. There's still the potential for capitalist societies that are very mature to eventually drive the workers to revolt. Perhaps we just haven't reached that point yet. He didn't put a time scale on things..

Anyway..a very interesting thread. Good work to whoever posted it.

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06-02-2005, 03:46 AM

Originally posted by jonesy

whats funny is they forgot to mention that clinton balanced the budget when he left office

I'd give every bit as much credit to Newt Gingrich. He was the biggest proponent
of balancing the budget and really made it happenn. Clinton, Rubin and others certainly wanted to reduce the deficit though.

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06-02-2005, 04:01 AM

hmm, I've read every one of the top ten besides The Feminine Mystique (1st volume of Das Kapital only, so far). Does that mean I'm not a good conservative? I hope it doesn't make me a terrorist.

Why is Mein Kampf on there? Isn't that their kind of book? I guess they figured they had to put it on the list to make the other books look bad, and too make the list not look completely asinine. Book burners not supporting fascism seems kind of fucked up to me. That's probably the only book on the list that the "judges" had actually read.
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06-02-2005, 04:04 AM

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No one has ever implemented pure Communism

Weak argument and a popular commy argument at that. No one has ever implemented a purely capitalistic society either. The latter half of the twentieth century resolved the debate.

How many communist states are left? You can count them on one hand. Cuba is dirt poor. North Korea is half dirt poor. Laos and Viet Nam? More fractions of dirt poor. China succeeds insofar as it FREES its markets.

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06-02-2005, 04:29 AM

Those books are really dangerous! there is no knowing what might happen if you read them.. you might learn something.. God forbid. No No sonnyboy, you go on reading the bible and saying your prayers- that´ll teach you everything you need to know... Seriously... why is it that apparently no one trusts the americans to read a book without becoming Hitler or chairman Mao or whatever. Sad.. really really sad.

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06-02-2005, 04:32 AM

The bible should be on that list......

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06-02-2005, 04:44 AM

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06-02-2005, 04:58 AM

Are we returning to the dark ages? Should we be burning these books?

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06-02-2005, 05:01 AM

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06-02-2005, 05:48 AM

...a point...

Quote:
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No one has ever implemented pure Communism
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Weak argument and a popular commy argument at that. No one has ever implemented a purely capitalistic society either. The latter half of the twentieth century resolved the debate.

How many communist states are left? You can count them on one hand. Cuba is dirt poor. North Korea is half dirt poor. Laos and Viet Nam? More fractions of dirt poor. China succeeds insofar as it FREES its markets.
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Yes I know it's a weak argument. It was a point to illustrate part of the books summary on the website, if you look at the original part of my post:

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Quote from the website review of Comm Manifesto
"The Evil Empire of the Soviet Union put the Manifesto into practice."

With out going into too many finer points, it didn't. Communisum and what happened in the USSR , especially under Stalin, were not the same. No one has ever implemented pure Communism, closest thing you'd get to it is probably an Israeli Kibbutz or similar sort of commune.

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I was getting at their wide ranging summary of:
a) The USSR putting it into practice. (Implying they did completley, which they didn't)
and b) The USSR being "Evil" (it wasn't good, but that's largely Stalin's legacy which is refered to. After WW2 the Cold War was seen as being defensive in USSR. They got invaded in the previous major European wars and wanted a series of buffer states to give them protection from the "West" who were percieved as hostile(which is perfectly valid considering the pre-war activities against communisim in Western Europe). Germany was effectively West Europes buffer state and North America was an ocean away, not easy to invade if they ever tried.)

I agree that there also hasn't been a purely capitalist society.
As to the countries mentioned being poor, only China wasn't small enough to be bullied and have a trade embargo on it, the only reason that China has not had that happen is that capitalist market economies have realised that there's a hude potential to make money there.(Plus they've a huge population that can be conscripted and armed!) An under developed economy with 1 billion consumers..hell I'd be investing left right and centre there..so much money to be made......which makes me think....anyone know what niches sites go down well in China????

Who'd ever have thought I'd be on a porn masters forum debating the pros and cons of different ideologies.....good stuff...

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06-02-2005, 06:04 AM

Nietzsche is the only one i have read from that list.

Just bought Will to Power by him as well. I'll have to round out my book collection by having all the banned ones in there as well.

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06-02-2005, 06:08 AM

so now you can have an handgun, but not one of the harmfull books?... freedom of speech? hahahahahah
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06-02-2005, 06:22 AM

Originally posted by Gawdy

Are we returning to the dark ages? Should we be burning these books?

If they had their way...
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06-02-2005, 06:39 AM

Thinking and learning can cause cancer. They're giving you this list for your own good.
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06-02-2005, 06:50 AM

i've read #2 on that list.
but i don't see why these books are harmful.
it shouldn't be anyone's business what a person wants to read.

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06-02-2005, 06:53 AM

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06-02-2005, 06:58 AM

I've read Mein Kampf and The Communist Manifesto, does that mean I'll become a Nazi communist?

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