Originally posted by CDSmith
That does not mean we have to agree with or support those decisions.
That does not mean we have to agree with or support those decisions.
-
but that doesn't mean we CAN'T agree and support those decisions.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed. -
Originally posted by 12clicks
Thats all the government is doing as well. giving you the oportunity of free speach but not forcing others to give it to you
What the government gives you is only fair...
They give you the ability of free speech BUT they also give you the consequences of your words along with it.Last edited by notjoe; 07-22-2004, 10:33 AM.Comment
-
FREEDON LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL!!!!
Unless your gay or work in porn
Comment
-
While I really have no interest in getting into this discussion I would like to say that there are in fact limits to freedom of speech.
Slander is one, creating a clear and present danger (yelling FIRE in a crowded theater) is another.
Taste should not be an issue when deciding what is legally allowed to be said and/or published. If you do not like porn then you don't have to view it. Same goes for cat burning videos.Comment
-
but that doesn't mean we CAN'T agree and support those decisions.Originally posted by CDSmith
That does not mean we have to agree with or support those decisions.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
-
Basically, that's what I said.Originally posted by 12clicks
Lensman has every write to do anything on this board and while you have the right to protest it, it doesn't make YOU right. It just means you disagree with it.
I'm not suggesting a private company's rights be taken away. I'm simply exercising my right to disagree with their policies on the point of censorship, nothing more. I don't like being told that I can't listen to Stern (I don't, but that's not the point). I don't like the idea that a handful of people might have the power to dictate to Rick Latona what he can and can't post any further than what is already in place. Where does that road end?
I don't like the fact that a team of snip-happy little ultra-religious wingnuts sit in an office somewhere and cut to pieces movies that should be protected under artistic merit, thus affecting my right to see and view what I want to see and view.
I don't like someone burning a country's flag, but I don't like the idea of it being made illegal for them to burn that flag.
I don't like a lot of shit that people spew out of their mouths on a daily basis, and I strongly disagree with much of it..... but I don't support when someone says it should be illegal for them to say it.
I realize I'm covering a wide range and variety of censorship and civil rights....... but I would need 20 different threads to cover each sub-point. Thank you for bearing with me.Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!!
Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634Comment
-
CDSmith, You have my vote for the smartest man on GFY.
Comment
-
I would never suggest otherwise. I'm simply advising you (as in everyone here) to be cautious about the kinds of censorship we choose to toss our support to. Some censorship is sensible, but much of what "could" happen if left unchecked is pretty aweful in my view.Originally posted by 12clicks
but that doesn't mean we CAN'T agree and support those decisions.
And like you, there are several people on this board whose opinions I find quite nauseating and abrasive to my sense of.... well, sense. Yet, if this were my board, I would not ban them for it.
I would not ban them
for being twits
I would not ban them
when they get the verbal shits
I would not ban them
with a fork
I would not ban them
Like a dork
I would not ban them
sam, I am.Last edited by CDSmith; 07-22-2004, 10:45 AM.Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!!
Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634Comment
-
First off, welcome to this discussionOriginally posted by pornJester
While I really have no interest in getting into this discussion I would like to say that there are in fact limits to freedom of speech.
As for the limits, so there should be.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by pornJester
[B]Slander is one, creating a clear and present danger (yelling FIRE in a crowded theater) is another.
Nothing wrong with that.
Actually, it IS taste which is the deciding factor and generally it is the taste of the population as a hole. They say porn is ok but as long as minors cannot access it.Originally posted by pornJester
Taste should not be an issue when deciding what is legally allowed to be said and/or published. If you do not like porn then you don't have to view it. Same goes for cat burning videos.
Haven't you noticed that as the population as a whole comes to accept something that the content which gets seen on tv/heard on the radio/watch in the movies is more extreme (i use the term loosely) but yet more acceptable, for all ages.
A prime example is the movie rating standards... A movie which is rated AA now would have been an R rated movie 10 years ago but yet you dont hear anyone bitching about that...Comment
-
CD, you can listen to stern as much as you want as long as he works within the rules established by the FCC. The logic that you won't accept is that if you put it to a vote, stern's right broadcast about anal sex during the morning drive would lose in a landslide. And if people who post here don't want to see dying kittens, they have every right to demand lensman stop it and lensman as a businessman can act or not on those demands.Originally posted by CDSmith
Basically, that's what I said.
I'm not suggesting a private company's rights be taken away. I'm simply exercising my right to disagree with their policies on the point of censorship, nothing more. I don't like being told that I can't listen to Stern (I don't, but that's not the point). I don't like the idea that a handful of people might have the power to dictate to Rick Latona what he can and can't post any further than what is already in place. Where does that road end?
again, they are free to do what they want and you are free to watch another channel.Originally posted by CDSmith
I don't like the fact that a team of snip-happy little ultra-religious wingnuts sit in an office somewhere and cut to pieces movies that should be protected under artistic merit, thus affecting my right to see and view what I want to see and view.
I do. if you want to burn the flag, get the fuck out.Originally posted by CDSmith
I don't like someone burning a country's flag, but I don't like the idea of it being made illegal for them to burn that flag.
no one ever has.Originally posted by CDSmith
I don't like a lot of shit that people spew out of their mouths on a daily basis, and I strongly disagree with much of it..... but I don't support when someone says it should be illegal for them to say it.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
-
I guess it depends on who is at the wheel, for me it wasnt so much about the posting of it but the positive attitude towards the video. I do believe that Rick and his crew DO have every right to do what they did and post whatever they want to, but to promote it in such a way is what what i found disappointing and im sure others did.Originally posted by CDSmith
Basically, that's what I said.
I'm not suggesting a private company's rights be taken away. I'm simply exercising my right to disagree with their policies on the point of censorship, nothing more. I don't like being told that I can't listen to Stern (I don't, but that's not the point). I don't like the idea that a handful of people might have the power to dictate to Rick Latona what he can and can't post any further than what is already in place. Where does that road end?
Where does the road for "artistic merit" end? Isnt nude modelling of underaged girls consider artistic and thus protected?Originally posted by CDSmith
I don't like the fact that a team of snip-happy little ultra-religious wingnuts sit in an office somewhere and cut to pieces movies that should be protected under artistic merit, thus affecting my right to see and view what I want to see and view.
While i agree with you that movies on TBS are butchered and their voice-overs are the absolute worst you still have to respect the decission they've made, not to air such language and/or scenes, thats no reason to hate on them
More parents probably let their kids watch that station because of that, there has to be a reason why it is so widely syndicatedComment
-
Sorry all but i had to post this is light of the last couple days of gfy
Comment
-
No arguement here. It is when these issues take on a political motivation that I raise an eyebrow mostly. And I would have liked to have seen the Stern issue "put to a vote" as you say. The results very well might shut people like me up. Maybe not though.Originally posted by 12clicks
CD, you can listen to stern as much as you want as long as he works within the rules established by the FCC. The logic that you won't accept is that if you put it to a vote, stern's right broadcast about anal sex during the morning drive would lose in a landslide. And if people who post here don't want to see dying kittens, they have every right to demand lensman stop it and lensman as a businessman can act or not on those demands.
I would be more in support of having sanctions and restrictions rather than completely removing a show from the airwaves, but like I said before, in this case I don't know the full story of what went on. I do see Stern as being quite an advocate of free speech though, the guy's whole motif is to push the limit if not tickle the funnybone of that limit, isn't it?
As I do, but I do not have to like that form of censorship and am certainly free to say so.Originally posted by 12clicks
again, they are free to do what they want and you are free to watch another channel.
Right?
Well, that would be my likely response if I ever saw it happening first-hand too...... but removing the freedom of expression isn't something I support. Sorry. A lot of ignorant things get done and said in this world, in this country for that matter, and although I don't like it, removing a person's right to say it isn't something I support.Originally posted by 12clicks
I do. if you want to burn the flag, get the fuck out.
There could come a day when something YOU say or do irks another person. Imagine that they don't like what you said so much that they manage to make it illegal for you to state your opinion on whatever it was you said. Imagine.
Just imagine.
Sure they have. You may have missed such posts, and I've probably missed most of them myself. But a few did not escape my attention, and no I don't have links handy to them, but I know I've read them on this and several other boards over the years. People love to point and say "that shouldn't be allowed" or "I don't like what so and so said, they should be banned" etc. My whole deal here is about awareness, getting people to think a bit more........ how can that be wrong?Originally posted by 12clicks
no one ever has.Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!!
Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634Comment
-
No government agency removed him from the airways. they sanctioned and fined him. And if you want to push the limits of what is socially acceptable, expect society to push back.Originally posted by CDSmith
No arguement here. It is when these issues take on a political motivation that I raise an eyebrow mostly. And I would have liked to have seen the Stern issue "put to a vote" as you say. The results very well might shut people like me up. Maybe not though.
I would be more in support of having sanctions and restrictions rather than completely removing a show from the airwaves, but like I said before, in this case I don't know the full story of what went on. I do see Stern as being quite an advocate of free speech though, the guy's whole motif is to push the limit if not tickle the funnybone of that limit, isn't it?
this is the current flaw of the leftist version of freedom of speech. there is NO freedom of *expression* protected in the constitution there is a freedom of *speech*Originally posted by CDSmith
Well, that would be my likely response if I ever saw it happening first-hand too...... but removing the freedom of expression isn't something I support. Sorry. A lot of ignorant things get done and said in this world, in this country for that matter, and although I don't like it, removing a person's right to say it isn't something I support.
If some yoyo wants to express himself by burning the flag and is protected, why isn't my expression of kicking his ass protected?
This could never happen. it *has* never happened. Having to imagine an argument is not an argument, its imagination.Originally posted by CDSmith
There could come a day when something YOU say or do irks another person. Imagine that they don't like what you said so much that they manage to make it illegal for you to state your opinion on whatever it was you said. Imagine.
Just imagine.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
-
No, I don't believe so, although lawyers could certainly argue that point. I'm sure they have, actually.Originally posted by notjoe
Where does the road for "artistic merit" end? Isnt nude modelling of underaged girls consider artistic and thus protected?
Artistic merit largely applies, at least in video content, to the presense (or lack of one) of a plot, a storyline, for the production. Case in point: There are plenty of movies out there that contain violence against kids, and underage nude content. Lots. Why are they allowed to exist? It is because they have artistic merit behind them, whereas a website that is there simply to glorify underage teens can't claim that same artistic merit because their sole purpose is to sexualize the teens, whereas the movie tells a story.
It's a rather fine line sometimes.
Hate on them? Man, I'm just stating an opinion, and I'm using them as one example of where censorship is occuring right now. I'm trying to raise awareness and get people thinking about the dangers of supporting too much censorship. Can there be too much censorship?Originally posted by notjoe
While i agree with you that movies on TBS are butchered and their voice-overs are the absolute worst you still have to respect the decission they've made, not to air such language and/or scenes, thats no reason to hate on them
The answer is yes. There can.
You'd think that at 2 am they could ease up on the extreme censorship just a little. I mean really, actors can say the words "Bitch" and "Ass" on daytime soaps these days. I would say to TBS that they need to get their heads out of their asses with the censorship bullshit.Originally posted by notjoe
More parents probably let their kids watch that station because of that, there has to be a reason why it is so widely syndicatedPromote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!!
Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634Comment
-
I'm sure no one is more aware of the truth of that than Larry Flynt.Originally posted by 12clicks
And if you want to push the limits of what is socially acceptable, expect society to push back.
I would likely be right behind you ready to smack his buddies around..... and I'll hazard a guess that more than a few cops would look the other way while we did so.Originally posted by 12clicks
this is the current flaw of the leftist version of freedom of speech. there is NO freedom of *expression* protected in the constitution there is a freedom of *speech*
If some yoyo wants to express himself by burning the flag and is protected, why isn't my expression of kicking his ass protected?
But I still say the right to express oneself in such a manner should not be taken away. As someone said in another thread, there are veterans and patriots who actually burn the flag on the 4th of July to celebrate their right to do so. That right and rights like it were hard fought for and came at a high price, I won't support removing that right. (even if I don't like it)
Say "That shouldn't be allowed" or "He shouldn't be allowed to say that" enough times and maybe it will come about if enough other people agree with you. My question on that has always been "where does it end?"..... the answer is it never ends. If people choose to censor others and revoke their rights, they run the risk of being censored themselves.Originally posted by 12clicks
This could never happen. it *has* never happened. Having to imagine an argument is not an argument, its imagination.
It *can* happen. Even to you, and if it ever does, trust me it *will* suck.
I hope it never does.Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!!
Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634Comment
-
Post a poll.Originally posted by junction
CDSmith, You have my vote for the smartest man on GFY.
I'm sure I would lose, I can think of at least, um, three other people here that are smarter than me.
No wait, make that FOUR. heh hehPromote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!!
Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634Comment
-
you are so right lol I never meet a girl who wanted 2 dicks up her ass. THats not sex thats the rent or car payment or whatever soap opera is due and I need money now .Originally posted by stocktrader23
You think girls do double anal and are happy? Not only that it's just sex?
You worry me more than the cat people.
Comment
-
If the government provides financial incentives to, or puts financial pressure on, a company (such as Clear Channel) to muzzle speech, then that is censorship. Censorship by proxy is still censorship.Comment
-
I know that would, and 2 in her pussy if she could get' em all in at the same time. And after she fuck'em want some more....and I'm Not bull shittingOriginally posted by tony404
you are so right lol I never meet a girl who wanted 2 dicks up her ass. THats not sex thats the rent or car payment or whatever soap opera is due and I need money now .Epic CashEpic Cash works for me
Solar Cash Paysite Plugin
Gallery of the day freesites,POTD,Gallery generator with free hostingComment
-
PS. Anyone who gets upset about a cheap piece of cloth being burned, regardless of what pattern is printed on it, is an irrational animal. Stop placing imaginary importance on inanimate objects. A flags total value is about $1 worth of material.
All your outrage does is give anti-americans a tool; holding on to a silly taboo just gives it power.Comment
-
No question it is a hot issue. (sorry about the bad pun)Originally posted by CamChicks
PS. Anyone who gets upset about a cheap piece of cloth being burned, regardless of what pattern is printed on it, is an irrational animal. Stop placing imaginary importance on inanimate objects. A flags total value is about $1 worth of material.
It isn't the cost of the material, it is what the flag means, what it represents to some people. I can certainly see where they're coming from, those people who hold their country's freedoms and hard-won civil rights etc in highest regard.... and my own first instinct would be to bitchslap someone burning my country's flag..... but still in all that I can STILL respect their right to do it.
I would never support removing their right.... but I would exercise my choice to express my own opinion on what they're doing. :DPromote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!!
Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634Comment
-
I once believed freedom of speech was an iron clad contract.
We all know where this argument goes, and the fact remains that almost nobody agrees with the precise meaning of freedom of speech.
Is it ok to stand in the middle of a park and scream " FUCKING hahahahahaha CRACK BABY ASS MOLESTING JEW " over and over again ??
Of course not.
There are handfulls of laws that protect us and in turn basically make freedom of speech useless.
Harrassment.
Threats.
Libel.
etc etc etc.hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
-
If someone burned your photo album the material is worthless , but the photo's are priceless right ?? same thing..Originally posted by CamChicks
PS. Anyone who gets upset about a cheap piece of cloth being burned, regardless of what pattern is printed on it, is an irrational animal. Stop placing imaginary importance on inanimate objects. A flags total value is about $1 worth of material.
All your outrage does is give anti-americans a tool; holding on to a silly taboo just gives it power.
I'm not saying its right , but you cant call a vet who just lost both his legs fighting for his country " AN IRRATIONAL ANIMAL " for being upset about his flag being burned by crackaddicts and peta assholeshatisblack at yahoo.comComment
-
I was once arrested for calling a cop an asshole. Guess what the charge was ?. ASSAULT
The crown decided no to pursue charges , but thats besides the point. I had to spend a few hours in jail and post bail at my expense.hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
-
What makes you think it is censorship and not a business decission, to get more parents to allow the station in to their housesOriginally posted by CDSmith
Hate on them? Man, I'm just stating an opinion, and I'm using them as one example of where censorship is occuring right now. I'm trying to raise awareness and get people thinking about the dangers of supporting too much censorship. Can there be too much censorship?
Comment
-
Why does it being a business decision exclude it from being a censorship issue?Originally posted by notjoe
What makes you think it is censorship and not a business decission, to get more parents to allow the station in to their houses
It doesn't.
put it this way... If Lensman were to start deleting certain posts of yours because he didn't like what you were saying, all kinds of people here would be screaming censorship.
This board is a private business. So is that newspaper, so is that radio station. The public reads or listens to all, and censorship is censorship. The paper/radio station has the right to censor the comic or the show, and I have a right to disagree with their choice, and I have made my disagreement known.
That's where it ends, for me anyway.Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!!
Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634Comment
-
Originally posted by CDSmith
It isn't the cost of the material, it is what the flag means, what it represents to some people. I can certainly see where they're coming from, those people who hold their country's freedoms and hard-won civil rights etc in highest regard.... and my own first instinct would be to bitchslap someone burning my country's flag..... but still in all that I can STILL respect their right to do it.
A flag is not freedom.
A flag is not civil rights.
A flag is just a flag.
The meaning assigned is imaginary. If you let your imagination get you upset, or let other people use your imagination to get you upset, then you're just giving them power over your emotions.
Why give people who want to piss you off an easy way to do it?
Keep your ideals seperate from any material symbols. Nobody can burn your ideals.
Most photo albums are unique. Few or no copys. And if it was *my* photo album that implies it is *my* property. To burn it would be theft and vandalism.Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
If someone burned your photo album the material is worthless , but the photo's are priceless right ?? same thing..
But flag is not unique. There are millions of copies of it.
If someone burns their own flag, who cares?
If someone burned their own copy of picture I liked, I couldn't care less. Even if it was a picture of my kitty. As long as I still have my own copy, it doesn't affect me.
If someone wants to burn a picture of me, ok.
I simply don't care what other people do with their own property.
IMO that is healthier.
Comment
-
I notice you selectively avoided responding to the majority of the post i made , perhaps thats the half you couldn't back up...Originally posted by CamChicks
Most photo albums are unique. Few or no copys. And if it was *my* photo album that implies it is *my* property. To burn it would be theft and vandalism.
But flag is not unique. There are millions of copies of it.
If someone burns their own flag, who cares?
If someone burned their own copy of picture I liked, I couldn't care less. Even if it was a picture of my kitty. As long as I still have my own copy, it doesn't affect me.
If someone wants to burn a picture of me, ok.
I simply don't care what other people do with their own property.
IMO that is healthier.
blah blah blah blah
I would pay some money to see you call a room full of vets that fought for your freedoms "IRRATIONAL ANIMALS"
Then i would sell the video of your body being beaten into a bloody pulp.hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
-
I don't give a rat's ass about censorship.
I only have one thing that I can control, and that's what I think.. so I say what I think about what people put their names on.. and what I think only amounts to one thing.. my money IN or NOT IN their pocket.. that I CAN controlComment
-
sorry kid, not being able to see beyond the dollar value of something is the mark of an animal.Originally posted by CamChicks
PS. Anyone who gets upset about a cheap piece of cloth being burned, regardless of what pattern is printed on it, is an irrational animal.
It's ok if its over your head.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
-
It wasn't a random slur. What humans use to distance ourselves from other animals is the ability to think rationally. When you abandon thinking rationally in favor of kneejerk reactions and emotional urges, you are acting more like an 'irrational animal' than a man.Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
I notice you selectively avoided responding to the majority of the post i made , perhaps thats the half you couldn't back up...
I would pay some money to see you call a room full of vets that fought for your freedoms "IRRATIONAL ANIMALS"
Then i would sell the video of your body being beaten into a bloody pulp.
I am just suggesting to those that get upset over something as harmless as flag-burning to think rationally about it, and take the power back - away from the people who are trying to piss you off. The more mad it makes you, the better for them. So who's purpose does the taboo serve?
They're not burning your freedom or your veterans. It's only a piece of cheap cloth, probably made in china; and in cases of iraqis or whoever burning it, it's probably never even been on american soil. So how is that 'America'?Comment
Comment