Goodbye Google PageRank - Hello TrustRank

**Terry** · 05-28-2005, 07:36 AM

Great info... thanks!

**Kevsh** · 05-28-2005, 07:40 AM

What it means, is that if a large percentage of your links come from sites which are not well trusted search engines could either discount those links, or produce a negative weight against your site which more than compensates for the gains given from link spamming.

And therein lies the flaw that means it won't get complete usage in G's algo: All I have to do to hurt a competitor is set up links to him on garbage link farms, spam boards, etc. Never happen - at least not in terms of ranking sites in the SERPs.

**DamageX** · 05-28-2005, 07:43 AM

That trustrank thing sounds similar to the hilltop algorithm that was highly debated all over se forums a year-and-a-half ago. Nothing new and still only speculation. I wouldn't lose too much sleep over it at this point.

**WiredGuy** · 05-28-2005, 07:43 AM

Originally posted by Kevsh

And therein lies the flaw that means it won't get complete usage in G's algo: All I have to do to hurt a competitor is set up links to him on garbage link farms, spam boards, etc. Never happen - at least not in terms of ranking sites in the SERPs.

Exactly, knowing how to penalize a site is just as valuable as knowing how to push a site higher in the SERPs.
WG

**vas** · 05-28-2005, 07:43 AM

Originally posted by Kevsh

And therein lies the flaw that means it won't get complete usage in G's algo: All I have to do to hurt a competitor is set up links to him on garbage link farms, spam boards, etc. Never happen - at least not in terms of ranking sites in the SERPs.

unless you recip to the questionable site (and im sure google can detect triangular link schemes)

**HpicAnn** · 05-28-2005, 08:03 AM

i hope it's technical difficulties...

**Trax** · 05-28-2005, 08:09 AM

Originally posted by vas

unless you recip to the questionable site (and im sure google can detect triangular link schemes)

lol
google isn't perfect
remember that
they had a PR9 of theirs hi-jacked by a PR5

**jazzll** · 05-28-2005, 08:17 AM

Funny day they do it on.
I'm in the process of buying a Link List with 40k backlinks (according to yahoo) and 4years old

Time to leave Thumb TGP biz

**yuvalus** · 05-28-2005, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by Kevsh

And therein lies the flaw that means it won't get complete usage in G's algo: All I have to do to hurt a competitor is set up links to him on garbage link farms, spam boards, etc. Never happen - at least not in terms of ranking sites in the SERPs.

seoers think differently huh?

**vas** · 05-28-2005, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by Trax

lol
google isn't perfect
remember that
they had a PR9 of theirs hi-jacked by a PR5

i know it isnt perfect, never said it was ;)

**Trax** · 05-28-2005, 08:23 AM

Originally posted by vas

i know it isnt perfect, never said it was ;)

you said "google can detect triangular link schemes"
which I would like to question

**Trax** · 05-28-2005, 08:27 AM

Originally posted by jazzll

Funny day they do it on.
I'm in the process of buying a Link List with 40k backlinks (according to yahoo) and 4years old

Time to leave Thumb TGP biz

funny... I'm about to buy the same site

**vas** · 05-28-2005, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by Trax

you said "google can detect triangular link schemes"
which I would like to question

ah, hehe, well from my experience triangular link schemes work really well, but just cuz they work well, doesnt mean google cant detect them ;)

in the future if they were to implement a system like this trustrank, i'd watch out for it.

**OG LennyT** · 05-28-2005, 08:35 AM

I noticed my Google Toolbar doesnt show PR for any site as of yesterday.

**jazzll** · 05-28-2005, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by Trax

funny... I'm about to buy the same site

Back down, it's mine! You already have www.mindblowingporn.com

**TheDoc** · 05-28-2005, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by Kevsh

And therein lies the flaw that means it won't get complete usage in G's algo: All I have to do to hurt a competitor is set up links to him on garbage link farms, spam boards, etc. Never happen - at least not in terms of ranking sites in the SERPs.

I read it as Trust Rank will only care about trusted sites, even if it?s passed through to a lesser site. If my site was flagged as trusted, and your non-trusted sites are bombing me, I don?t think the trust rank will care. With your site back linking me from hell and back, you help in my page rank, or get your own site flagged as a spam or non-trusted site.

I could be wrong though; I?m not an SE expert.

**jazzll** · 05-28-2005, 08:51 AM

Good time to get Yahoo! or DMOZ directory listings

**Trax** · 05-28-2005, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by jazzll

Back down, it's mine! You already have www.mindblowingporn.com

that one has a very limited value for me...
so...
we'll see

**Veterans Day** · 05-28-2005, 09:00 AM

I love yahoo

**slapass** · 05-28-2005, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by Trax

that one has a very limited value for me...
so...
we'll see

it doesn't have limited value for me. someone hit me with your link list for sale icq 166708909. trax buy it and flip it to me.

**kernelpanic** · 05-28-2005, 10:51 AM

The sky is not falling, people. We'll find out the algorithm's tendancies, and beat it yet again. Give me the rules of the game, and I'll find a way to beat them, so long as it doesn't involve the DOJ

**Tipsy** · 05-28-2005, 11:01 AM

Always fascinates me when people hear a new buzzword mentioned somewhere and take it as being gospel.

But then 'trustrank' is also a long way from being something that's just appeared in Google as so many people think for some strange reason. It's also a lot more involved than certain 'experts' who write articles seem to think.

Still - keeps people happy and feeling superior 'cause they know the latest buzzword and gives the dodgy seo companies (90% of them) a new word to impress their clients with.

My only 2c on it

**Turboface** · 05-28-2005, 11:04 AM

This is the elimination of PageRank as we know it.

**pornguy** · 05-28-2005, 11:07 AM

Thanks for the info either way.

**kernelpanic** · 05-28-2005, 11:07 AM

Follow my logic here:

These new regulations affect everyone.
What matters in SEO is to come out on top of everyone else.
We are (most of us at least) more competent than your average weekend warrior webmaster.
Therefore, we will come out on top, still.

What are we worried about?

**Adult Site Traffic** · 05-28-2005, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by Turboface

This is the elimination of PageRank as we know it.

Well, I'm glad that I didn't build my entire business model around google PR like some people have

I still sell the "good enough to get off on" porn and it does just fine

.

Goodbye Google PageRank - Hello TrustRank

Goodbye Google PageRank - Hello TrustRank

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