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  • Corleone
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    • Apr 2003
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    Sharon is no longer welcome in france

    Chirac to Sharon: "You Are Not Welcome in France"


    Franco-Israeli relations hit new lows Monday as Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon was told he was no longer welcome in Paris.

    According to media reports, French diplomats told their Israeli counterparts that before being welcome in Paris, Sharon would have to explain recent comments made over the weekend that French Jews should emigrate to Israel to evade anti-Semitism. Israeli television cited Chirac as saying, "you are not welcome after your comments,." A spokeswoman for the French government said, according to agency reports, "a possible visit by the Israeli prime minister to Paris, for which no date has been set, will be examined only when the explanations called for have been provided".

    For its part, Israel played down the spat, describing it as a "misunderstanding". However, Ha'aretz newspaper quoted Sharon's office as saying, "The prime minister reiterates there is anti-Semitism in France, and despite the serious measures the French government is taking, he urges French Jews to immigrate to Israel -- just as he urges all Jews worldwide to immigrate to Israel." Sharon's comments were roundly condemned by Jewish groups throughout France as, in the words of one Jewish leader, "pouring oil on the fire." The number of anti-Semitic events in France has risen sharply in the first half of this year.

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    • Ron2k1
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      • Sep 2001
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      #2
      The increase of anti-Semitic violence doesn't surprise me at all, as long as Israel keeps on being aggresive against palestines and the middle east they can expect this....

      Israel should be an example of a democratic western country in the middle east, but they aren't....

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            • hershie
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              • Jun 2002
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              I read an article last year about the attacks on Jews in France in Vanity Fair and is sickened me. If you have even a remote attachment to people who have been persecuted and sought out for slaughter just because of the religion they were born into, than you will know just how sickening this recent growing wave of attacks really is. In Canada, people have turned over grave stones including one of my relatives and spray painted swastickas on others in a cemetary and a jewish elementary school was firebombed a couple of months ago and they left behind a note saying next time they will make sure the kids are in the school when they do it again. There have been thousands of these attacks in France over the past few years.
              Last edited by hershie; 07-20-2004, 10:21 AM.

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                • yuvalus
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                  • Oct 2003
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                  #5
                  again this discussion?
                  Israel is, indeed, the only democratic country in the ME

                  'nough said
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                    • DavieVegas
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                      • Jun 2004
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                      #6
                      awww i thought u meant stone..sharone stone
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                        • 12clicks
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                          • Jan 2001
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                          no surprise. The french have been rooting for terrorists for years. This is just another way the french won't face the anti-semetic truth in their country.
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                            • EviLSuperstaR
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                              • May 2004
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                              #8
                              Sharon belongs in a prison together with other war criminals like George Bush, Saddam and Arafat.

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                                • sperbonzo
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                                  • May 2003
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                                  #9
                                  This is such old news, the french have been actively anti-semetic since WWII when they eagerly rounded up and handed over all their jews to the nazi's.

                                  Same old, same old

                                  Actually, I have already printed up a T-shirt to wear, the next time I'm in Paris. It will have a big Star of David on it, and it will say "American Zionist Jew". I'm going to have a GREAT time with that shirt!


                                  war criminals like George Bush
                                  By the way.....You must consider JFK and Lyndon Johnson war criminals also, they started a way that killed 50k americans and 2 million Vietnami, then of course there is Clinton. He went to war in Bosnia without U.N. or French consent. Bosnia never attacked us. Don't Forget Truman, he started a war in Korea (who never attacked us, and from 1950-1953, 55,000 American lives were lost, an average of 18,333 per year, with close to a million Koreans killed.

                                  I won't even mention Stalin, Castro, Jung yung il, Mao, Idi Amin, etc, etc, etc.......all of whom were responsible for FAR more lives lost than Bush.

                                  Must be a lot of war criminals on your list.....
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                                    • gxer
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                                      • Dec 2002
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                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Ron2k1
                                      The increase of anti-Semitic violence doesn't surprise me at all, as long as Israel keeps on being aggresive against palestines and the middle east they can expect this....

                                      Israel should be an example of a democratic western country in the middle east, but they aren't....
                                      Turn off your TV , buy some drink , relax.

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                                        • hershie
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                                          • Jun 2002
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                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by sperbonzo


                                          By the way.....You must consider JFK and Lyndon Johnson war criminals also, they started a way that killed 50k americans and 2 million Vietnami, then of course there is Clinton. He went to war in Bosnia without U.N. or French consent. Bosnia never attacked us. Don't Forget Truman, he started a war in Korea (who never attacked us, and from 1950-1953, 55,000 American lives were lost, an average of 18,333 per year, with close to a million Koreans killed.

                                          I won't even mention Stalin, Castro, Jung yung il, Mao, Idi Amin, etc, etc, etc.......all of whom were responsible for FAR more lives lost than Bush.

                                          Must be a lot of war criminals on your list.....
                                          It's ironic that the only true example of where the mighy hand of the US would have been universally welcomed in recent memory is in Rhwanda during the slaugher a decade ago and yet they nor anyone else acted. I guess if there is geo-political interests you hype the need for war and if no juicy self-interests, just ignore the real butchering.

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                                            • sperbonzo
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                                              • May 2003
                                              • 9750
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by hershie
                                              It's ironic that the only true example of where the mighy hand of the US would have been universally welcomed in recent memory is in Rhwanda during the slaugher a decade ago and yet they nor anyone else acted. I guess if there is geo-political interests you hype the need for war and if no juicy self-interests, just ignore the real butchering.
                                              Unfortunately that's true. The UN acts all high and mighty about saving people, but they also act out of the same self-interests. There is genocide going on right now in the Sudan, and the UN is doing nothing. The hard fact is that when it comes to the extension of military power, all countires act out of real or perceived self interest.

                                              Although I find it SO silly when people put up signs that say "No blood for oil". Whenever I ask them what WOULD be worth fighting for....say, feeding our children, or clothing them, or having any medical equipment, or housing materials, etc, etc, etc.... They say yes, that's worth it; at which time I point out that all of those things are TOTALLY dependant on oil and oil by-products.
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                                                • alexg
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                                                  • Aug 2003
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                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by Corleone

                                                  wasn't the attack on the girl faked?
                                                  yeah one attack was faked..

                                                  one out of hundreds

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                                                    • EviLSuperstaR
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                                                      • May 2004
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                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by sperbonzo
                                                      This is such old news, the french have been actively anti-semetic since WWII when they eagerly rounded up and handed over all their jews to the nazi's.

                                                      Same old, same old

                                                      Actually, I have already printed up a T-shirt to wear, the next time I'm in Paris. It will have a big Star of David on it, and it will say "American Zionist Jew". I'm going to have a GREAT time with that shirt!




                                                      By the way.....You must consider JFK and Lyndon Johnson war criminals also, they started a way that killed 50k americans and 2 million Vietnami, then of course there is Clinton. He went to war in Bosnia without U.N. or French consent. Bosnia never attacked us. Don't Forget Truman, he started a war in Korea (who never attacked us, and from 1950-1953, 55,000 American lives were lost, an average of 18,333 per year, with close to a million Koreans killed.

                                                      I won't even mention Stalin, Castro, Jung yung il, Mao, Idi Amin, etc, etc, etc.......all of whom were responsible for FAR more lives lost than Bush.

                                                      Must be a lot of war criminals on your list.....
                                                      Clinton did make the Balkan a safer place (what does going to war without UN have to with it and France did agree on Bosnia, Russia didn't) and Castro doesn't even come to Bush's ankles what killings are concerned. The other ones are already death.
                                                      Last edited by EviLSuperstaR; 07-20-2004, 12:28 PM.

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                                                        • alexg
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                                                          • Aug 2003
                                                          • 11287
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by EviLSuperstaR
                                                          Sharon belongs in a prison together with other war criminals like George Bush, Saddam and Arafat.
                                                          put them all in: Putin, Bin Laden, Blair, Clinton, Shcredder, Assad (so what if he's dead...he belongs in prison as well)...
                                                          these are I heard of...you can add some more if you know any..

                                                          everyone...it doesn't really matter.. we can have a much cooler mix this way

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                                                            • zanycash Pete
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                                                              He made some stupid remarks! he probably deserves the backlash!

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                                                                • Pleasurepays
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                                                                  Originally posted by hershie
                                                                  It's ironic that the only true example of where the mighy hand of the US would have been universally welcomed in recent memory is in Rhwanda during the slaugher a decade ago and yet they nor anyone else acted. I guess if there is geo-political interests you hype the need for war and if no juicy self-interests, just ignore the real butchering.
                                                                  The UN was there already and watched most of it happen from the ground. No country wanted to get too deeply involved because there was no political support at home. Peace Keeping troops watched hundreds of thousands of people get slaughtered because they had no political support to fire a shot in deterrence... in the end, they pulled out and let a 500,000 to 1,000,000 more people get massacred.

                                                                  It's always politics.
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                                                                    • alexg
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                                                                      • Aug 2003
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                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by Ron2k1
                                                                      The increase of anti-Semitic violence doesn't surprise me at all, as long as Israel keeps on being aggresive against palestines and the middle east they can expect this....

                                                                      Israel should be an example of a democratic western country in the middle east, but they aren't....
                                                                      then why was there anti semitic violence before there even was "Israel"? even in the 19th century...
                                                                      were the jews aggresive then too?

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                                                                        • genomega
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                                                                          • Feb 2002
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                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by hershie
                                                                          It's ironic that the only true example of where the mighy hand of the US would have been universally welcomed in recent memory is in Rhwanda during the slaugher a decade ago and yet they nor anyone else acted. I guess if there is geo-political interests you hype the need for war and if no juicy self-interests, just ignore the real butchering.
                                                                          Thst's what happens when you have the UN in charge.
                                                                          Clinton was to gutless to do anything, got to watch those poll numbers.

                                                                          PS: The same thing is going on right now in the Sudan the muslims are well on their way to killing 1 million blacks, of course the Un is in charge.


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                                                                            • Pleasurepays
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                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by Ron2k1
                                                                              The increase of anti-Semitic violence doesn't surprise me at all, as long as Israel keeps on being aggresive against palestines and the middle east they can expect this....

                                                                              Israel should be an example of a democratic western country in the middle east, but they aren't....
                                                                              everyone acts as if Muslims and Jews can be happy as peas in a pod together sharing sacred holy land/landmarks.

                                                                              right.




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                                                                                • The Truth Hurts
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                                                                                  • Nov 2002
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                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  So what's the downside for Sharon?

                                                                                  I mean really... who the fuck wants to go to France?

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                                                                                    • genomega
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                                                                                      • Feb 2002
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                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Ron2k1
                                                                                      The increase of anti-Semitic violence doesn't surprise me at all, as long as Israel keeps on being aggresive against palestines and the middle east they can expect this....

                                                                                      Israel should be an example of a democratic western country in the middle east, but they aren't....
                                                                                      Are you a terrorist or just a dunce?


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                                                                                        • hershie
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                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                                          The UN was there already and watched most of it happen from the ground. No country wanted to get too deeply involved because there was no political support at home. Peace Keeping troops watched hundreds of thousands of people get slaughtered because they had no political support to fire a shot in deterrence... in the end, they pulled out and let a 500,000 to 1,000,000 more people get massacred.

                                                                                          It's always politics.
                                                                                          I had never heard in any detail about the events there until the lady that used to clean my place told me her personal account . Her husband was killed, they burned her house and she still has a kid unaccounted for.

                                                                                          Another sad chapter in our times I didn't appreciate the full impact of was when I went to Cambodia a couple of years ago. That butcher (Pol Pot) killed a quarter of the entire population and tried to set the clock to Year 0 to erase all associations with the past in his delusional desire to create utopia.

                                                                                          We are so fucked up as a species there is no way we could evolve to anything worth being the alpha species and we are going to kill the environment for all other species to boot.

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                                                                                            • sperbonzo
                                                                                              I'd rather be on my boat.
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                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Castro doesn't even come to Bush's ankles

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                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by hershie
                                                                                                  I had never heard in any detail about the events there until the lady that used to clean my place told me her personal account . Her husband was killed, they burned her house and she still has a kid unaccounted for.
                                                                                                  Yeah, it was fucked. the problem was not that the UN didn't know.. or did nothing. The problem was that once they finally sent peace keepers there, they did nothing... then as the fighting raged, they just kepting pulling out of areas letting the rebels (often watching them do it) come in murder every man, woman and child.

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                                                                                                    • Webby
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                                                                                                      • Oct 2002
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                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Sharon is no longer welcome in france
                                                                                                      Hardly a surprise - "Major Sharon" has a track record that matches any war criminal. I'm surprised he ain't been arrested yet, - but some find him a palatable bedfellow
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                                                                                                        • jimmyf
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                                                                                                          • Feb 2001
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                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by EviLSuperstaR
                                                                                                          Clinton did make the Balkan a safer place (what does going to war without UN have to with it and France did agree on Bosnia, Russia didn't) and Castro doesn't even come to Bush's ankles what killings are concerned. The other ones are already death.

                                                                                                          it's was OK for Clinton 2 go to war without the UN's blessing but it;s NOT ok for Bush?

                                                                                                          give me a break
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                                                                                                            • jimmyf
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                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
                                                                                                              So what's the downside for Sharon?

                                                                                                              I mean really... who the fuck wants to go to France?
                                                                                                              this is true, I dam sure don't. Can think of many places I'd rather spend my money.
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                                                                                                                • Webby
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                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  jimmyf:

                                                                                                                  it's was OK for Clinton 2 go to war without the UN's blessing but it;s NOT ok for Bush?
                                                                                                                  The basic difference is that it does not matter a fuck which President went to war with whoever's "blessing".

                                                                                                                  The fact is Bush totally fucked from stage one on his "excuses" and lies for war. No halfwit on this planet could have made such a string of "errors of judgement", - nevermind the person who is supposed to be the President of the US.

                                                                                                                  This is further compunded by a series of international treaty violations including torture - it's clear this has been "permitted" from the top or the management have no control over anything.

                                                                                                                  BTW.. The Red Cross are still waiting for a list of people that have "disappeared" while in US custody and where exactly these people are being held - yet another violation.
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                                                                                                                    • hershie
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                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by jimmyf
                                                                                                                      this is true, I dam sure don't. Can think of many places I'd rather spend my money.
                                                                                                                      I have been to France and I never asked anyone or read anywhere, but I wonder just how ashamed they are of bending over for Hitler like that. I wonder how their history books reflect the course of events. I assume they had their freedom fighters and resistance movement, but all in all, I wonder how embarrased they are about willingly taking it up the poop chute.

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                                                                                                                        • Pleasurepays
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                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by hershie
                                                                                                                          I have been to France and I never asked anyone or read anywhere, but I wonder just how ashamed they are of bending over for Hitler like that. I wonder how their history books reflect the course of events. I assume they had their freedom fighters and resistance movement, but all in all, I wonder how embarrased they are about willingly taking it up the poop chute.
                                                                                                                          don't forget about all those in the South of France that helped Hitler and the Nazi's.

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                                                                                                                            • hershie
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                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                                                                              don't forget about all those in the South of France that helped Hitler and the Nazi's.
                                                                                                                              I think I will read more about this. I had a roomate in college who's grandfather in Holland smuggled jews out of the city...through the canals and his family was extremely proud how they reacted in the face of evil. I would like to know how the majority of the French reacted.

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                                                                                                                                • Pleasurepays
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                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by hershie
                                                                                                                                  I think I will read more about this. I had a roomate in college who's grandfather in Holland smuggled jews out of the city...through the canals and his family was extremely proud how they reacted in the face of evil. I would like to know how the majority of the French reacted.
                                                                                                                                  I dont think it's the "majority". France fought Germany for about 3 weeks or so. They also thought they were invicible with denfenses such as the Maginot line (sp) etc. They basically just got their asses handed to them in very little time.

                                                                                                                                  Most of western Ukraine and surrounding countries also had a lot of support for and often sided with Hitler. (chosing between hitler and stalin was not much of a choice)

                                                                                                                                  Read about Swedens "neutral" hospitals and doctors and wounded nazi soldiers.

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                                                                                                                                    • Pleasurepays
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                                                                                                                                      sorry... i mean "switzerland" not sweden.

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                                                                                                                                        • EviLSuperstaR
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                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by sperbonzo
                                                                                                                                          Now THERE's someone with a good grasp of the facts...
                                                                                                                                          Aha, a Miami brainwashed bum. Too many bacardi's? Just compare the killings of Castro with four years of Bush. Indeed, Castro doesn't even come to his ankles...

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                                                                                                                                            • EviLSuperstaR
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                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by jimmyf
                                                                                                                                              it's was OK for Clinton 2 go to war without the UN's blessing but it;s NOT ok for Bush?

                                                                                                                                              give me a break
                                                                                                                                              Just try to be a little less stupid. What does UN approval have to do with it? The war in Bosnia was not over lies and created a solution. On Iraq Bush fooled you all and has created a much bigger problem. I know you must feel really silly now as a country but get over it. Even the Germans got over it.

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                                                                                                                                                • KraZ
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                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by DavieVegas
                                                                                                                                                  awww i thought u meant stone..sharone stone
                                                                                                                                                  Me too... that would be some news. Israel doesn't really interest me that much.
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                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by EviLSuperstaR
                                                                                                                                                      Just try to be a little less stupid. What does UN approval have to do with it? The war in Bosnia was not over lies and created a solution. On Iraq Bush fooled you all and has created a much bigger problem. I know you must feel really silly now as a country but get over it. Even the Germans got over it.

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                                                                                                                                                        • pure energy
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                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by EviLSuperstaR
                                                                                                                                                          Sharon belongs in a prison together with other war criminals like George Bush, Saddam and Arafat.
                                                                                                                                                          and just how are we going to put them there?
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