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  • Joe Citizen
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    • Oct 2003
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    #151
    Originally posted by boobmaster
    In order for your belief to be sustained, you need to show that evolution is a credible theory of the origin of life. I will submit to you that while there is abundant evidence that species evolve at the micro level, there is none which suggests that species evolve at the macro level.
    Well, duh!

    That's because micro evolution can be observed while macro evolution cannot because of the time frames involved.

    But there is still plenty of evidence for macro evolution in the fossil record - Archaeopteryx being a classic example.

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      • Gunni
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        • Apr 2003
        • 2385
        #152
        I wasn't religious untill the pope called Bush the anti-christ, then it all came clear to me...

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          • boobmaster
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            • Jul 2003
            • 6185
            #153
            Originally posted by Joe Citizen
            Sorry, but when I look around I see the majesty of natural law and natural selection.

            It's a beautiful thing.
            Another interesting problem for evolution .... How to explain the existence of natural selection. Chance doesn't.

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              • Joe Citizen
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                • Oct 2003
                • 4552
                #154
                Originally posted by boobmaster
                No! Neither side can be proven conclusively. There are two possibilities: (1) chance, or (2) cause. I think it is more rational to believe cause over chance given the statistical improbability of chance.
                http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/chance/chance.html

                Read and learn.

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                  • boobmaster
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                    • Jul 2003
                    • 6185
                    #155
                    Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                    Well, duh!

                    That's because micro evolution can be observed while macro evolution cannot because of the time frames involved.

                    But there is still plenty of evidence for macro evolution in the fossil record - Archaeopteryx being a classic example.
                    BULLSHIT! There is no CREDIBLE evidence for macroevolution in the fossil record. The time explanation put forth by evolutionists is also bullshit. Whenever an evolutionist gets boxed into a corner, he/she always brings up the time explanation.

                    Interestingly enough, if you really look into this idea, you will find that it SHOULD take a hell of a lot longer than 4.5 billion years (age of the earth) for a simple strand of DNA in a warm pond somewhere to evolve into anything approaching a human being. We should be older than the earth.

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                      • diesel
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                        • Jan 2001
                        • 1097
                        #156
                        Its easy to live when you believe in god ..

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                          • boobmaster
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                            • Jul 2003
                            • 6185
                            #157
                            Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                            http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/chance/chance.html

                            Read and learn.
                            I have already. See my post on this, which you obviously haven't gotten to yet. It is not convincing.

                            The poeple over on talkorigins seem to spend a lot of time bashing creationist claims. If, as the often say, creationism is a stupid theory, why waste all that time trying to discredit it. I'm sure Richard Dawkins has bnetter things to do with his time.

                            Evolutionism is as much a faith based belief as is the belief in god. These men have careers to protect.

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                              • Joe Citizen
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                                • Oct 2003
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                                #158
                                Originally posted by boobmaster
                                I have already. See my post on this, which you obviously haven't gotten to yet. It is not convincing.

                                The poeple over on talkorigins seem to spend a lot of time bashing creationist claims. If, as the often say, creationism is a stupid theory, why waste all that time trying to discredit it. I'm sure Richard Dawkins has bnetter things to do with his time.

                                Evolutionism is as much a faith based belief as is the belief in god. These men have careers to protect.
                                "Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution." - Theodosius Dobzhansky (1900-1975)

                                If you don't know who he is then you shouldn't be arguing this topic.

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                                  • Joe Citizen
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                                    • Oct 2003
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                                    #159
                                    Originally posted by boobmaster
                                    The time explanation put forth by evolutionists is also bullshit. Whenever an evolutionist gets boxed into a corner, he/she always brings up the time explanation.
                                    Don't tell me, you believe the world is 6000 years old, right?

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                                      • boobmaster
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                                        • Jul 2003
                                        • 6185
                                        #160
                                        Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                                        "Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution." - Theodosius Dobzhansky (1900-1975)

                                        If you don't know who he is then you shouldn't be arguing this topic.
                                        A Russian biologist. Of course he was going to be an evolutionist. He had no choice. He was reared in a godless country. It was spoon fed to him.

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                                          • boobmaster
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                                            • Jul 2003
                                            • 6185
                                            #161
                                            Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                                            Don't tell me, you believe the world is 6000 years old, right?
                                            I wouldn't go that far. But I have seen some interesting arguments to that effect.

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                                              • boobmaster
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                                                • Jul 2003
                                                • 6185
                                                #162
                                                Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                                                "Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution." - Theodosius Dobzhansky (1900-1975)

                                                If you don't know who he is then you shouldn't be arguing this topic.
                                                .... and what are your credentials for arguing this topic, may I ask?

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                                                  • Halo18
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                                                    • Jul 2004
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                                                    #163
                                                    Originally posted by boobmaster
                                                    A Russian biologist. Of course he was going to be an evolutionist. He had no choice. He was reared in a godless country. It was spoon fed to him.
                                                    So if he was say.. an American Creationist, would his argument be null and void because he was raised in a mainly Christian society?

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                                                      • Halo18
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                                                        • Jul 2004
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                                                        #164
                                                        "Did you ever notice...people who believe in Creationism tend to look really unevolved.." - Bill Hicks

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                                                          • Joe Citizen
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                                                            • Oct 2003
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                                                            #165
                                                            Originally posted by boobmaster
                                                            A Russian biologist. Of course he was going to be an evolutionist. He had no choice. He was reared in a godless country. It was spoon fed to him.
                                                            He is considered one of the greatest geneticists and evolutionary biologists.

                                                            http://www.2think.org/dobzhansky.shtml

                                                            Read it and then let me know your objections.

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                                                              • Halo18
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                                                                • Jul 2004
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                                                                #166
                                                                Now to the actual point of the thread...

                                                                " 'Have faith' in the Christian sense, means 'make yourself believe that there is a god without regard to evidence.' Christian faith is a habit of flouting reason in forming and maintaining one's answer to the question whether there is a god."

                                                                - Richard Robinson

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                                                                  • Joe Citizen
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                                                                    • Oct 2003
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                                                                    #167
                                                                    Originally posted by boobmaster
                                                                    .... and what are your credentials for arguing this topic, may I ask?
                                                                    No formal qualifications, just years and years of my own reading.

                                                                    What are your qualifications?

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                                                                      • OMItraffic
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                                                                        • May 2004
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                                                                        #168
                                                                        Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                                                                        No formal qualifications, just years and years of my own reading.

                                                                        What are your qualifications?
                                                                        He is the boobmaster!
                                                                        I buy cross sells.

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                                                                          • boobmaster
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                                                                            • Jul 2003
                                                                            • 6185
                                                                            #169
                                                                            Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                                                                            He is considered one of the greatest geneticists and evolutionary biologists.

                                                                            http://www.2think.org/dobzhansky.shtml

                                                                            Read it and then let me know your objections.
                                                                            He does not deny the possibility that the first living thing was created. In fact, he seems to embrace it:


                                                                            "The organic diversity becomes, however, reasonable and understandable if the Creator has created the living world not by caprice but by evolution propelled by natural selection. It is wrong to hold creation and evolution as mutually exclusive alternatives. I am a creationist and an evolutionist. Evolution is God?s, or Nature?s method of creation. Creation is not an event that happened in 4004 BC; it is a process that began some 10 billion years ago and is still under way."

                                                                            The diversity argument only holds if one assumes that a creator would not intentionally create so many different life forms. Is this something we really need to assume? The argument is unconvincing!

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                                                                              • boobmaster
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                                                                                • Jul 2003
                                                                                • 6185
                                                                                #170
                                                                                Originally posted by OMItraffic
                                                                                He is the boobmaster!
                                                                                Isn't that enough?

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                                                                                  • boobmaster
                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                    • Jul 2003
                                                                                    • 6185
                                                                                    #171
                                                                                    Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                                                                                    No formal qualifications, just years and years of my own reading.

                                                                                    What are your qualifications?
                                                                                    I have a PhD in a field which incorporates a number of significant aspects of the theory.

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                                                                                      • Lane
                                                                                        Will code for food...
                                                                                        • Apr 2001
                                                                                        • 8496
                                                                                        #172
                                                                                        You can only debunk someones explanation of God, but you can't prove that God doesn't exist.

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                                                                                          • volante
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                                                                                            • Mar 2002
                                                                                            • 2940
                                                                                            #173
                                                                                            Originally posted by boobmaster
                                                                                            A Russian biologist. Of course he was going to be an evolutionist. He had no choice. He was reared in a godless country. It was spoon fed to him.
                                                                                            And you don't see the irony in this statement?

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                                                                                              • boobmaster
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                                                                                                • Jul 2003
                                                                                                • 6185
                                                                                                #174
                                                                                                There is a place at which creationism and evolution can come together. i.e., God created the first life and evolution took it from there. (This is not a belief that I personally subscribe to, BTW).

                                                                                                The people over at talkorigins spend a lot of time defending the chance argument. A number of these people are atheists. Atheism is a religion. So basically we have a bunch of christians arguing with a bunch of athesists.

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                                                                                                  • Halo18
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                                                                                                    • Jul 2004
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                                                                                                    #175
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Lane
                                                                                                    You can only debunk someones explanation of God, but you can't prove that God doesn't exist.
                                                                                                    You can only debunk someones denial of god, but you can't prove that god does exist.

                                                                                                    The burden of proof lays on the believers.

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                                                                                                      • Joe Citizen
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                                                                                                        • Oct 2003
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                                                                                                        #176
                                                                                                        Originally posted by boobmaster
                                                                                                        Atheism is a religion.
                                                                                                        Atheism is not a religion.

                                                                                                        Atheism is the absence of a theistic belief.

                                                                                                        Nothing more, nothing less.

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                                                                                                          • dig420
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                                                                                                            • May 2001
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                                                                                                            #177
                                                                                                            Originally posted by pxxx
                                                                                                            I believe in God and call me a moron or so on, that is your problem.

                                                                                                            If you believe in Him all your life, and then die, you get Heaven. Many people ask, " What if i believe in Him and then die and find out that he does not exist?" Well, you didn't lose anything by believing. What if you die and then realize that he exists? What i am trying to say is that it is a win-win situation because even "IF" he does not exist, believing in Him gave me a very nice guideline to live my life and i lived happy.

                                                                                                            For those that don't believe, there is nothing i can do about that. Even though they tell me that it is our job to recruit non- believers. There is no way you can change what someone believes in or not. It is a decision that only that person can make for him/her self. So if you do not believe, I totally respect that and I also ask that you respect the fact that I do believe.
                                                                                                            moron.

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                                                                                                              • Lane
                                                                                                                Will code for food...
                                                                                                                • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                • 8496
                                                                                                                #178
                                                                                                                Originally posted by Halo18
                                                                                                                You can only debunk someones denial of god, but you can't prove that god does exist.

                                                                                                                The burden of proof lays on the believers.
                                                                                                                Of course it goes both ways, that's common logic..
                                                                                                                However, your conclusion on burden of proof is only biased. If you are so concerned with logic, you would need to consider this statistically, and conclude that what majority agrees on would be more determining on where this burden of proof lies.

                                                                                                                Logic and belief don't go together. That's why religion is a matter of 'belief'.

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                                                                                                                      • EZRhino
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                                                                                                                        #180
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by detoxed
                                                                                                                        Post your most convincing argument that God does not exist and religious people are morons.
                                                                                                                        I dont think religious people are morons or even stupid .... Those people that are freaking fundalmentalists are the scary ones, those that go on TV and use their position influence to make changes in our society based on there own beliefs. And that goes for those that dont believe in god or hate god. They are just as bad as any right wing conservative.

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                                                                                                                          • Halo18
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                                                                                                                            #181
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Lane
                                                                                                                            Of course it goes both ways, that's common logic..
                                                                                                                            However, your conclusion on burden of proof is only biased. If you are so concerned with logic, you would need to consider this statistically, and conclude that what majority agrees on would be more determining on where this burden of proof lies.

                                                                                                                            Logic and belief don't go together. That's why religion is a matter of 'belief'.
                                                                                                                            At one time the majority thought the world was flat. Majority opinion means next to nothing. A million people can, and have been wrong.

                                                                                                                            As for someone saying earlier that Atheism is a religion, Joe Citizen fielded that one correctly. the prefix "a" means without.
                                                                                                                            Last edited by Halo18; 07-18-2004, 10:38 PM.

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                                                                                                                              • pood
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                                                                                                                                #182
                                                                                                                                there are aliens


                                                                                                                                THE END

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                                                                                                                                    • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                    • 32189
                                                                                                                                    #183
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Hind
                                                                                                                                    Faith is the courage to sustain an everlasting doubt.
                                                                                                                                    Wow. Nice quote!

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                                                                                                                                      • Theo
                                                                                                                                        HAL 9000
                                                                                                                                        • May 2001
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                                                                                                                                        #184
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by pxxx
                                                                                                                                        I believe in God and call me a moron or so on, that is your problem.

                                                                                                                                        If you believe in Him all your life, and then die, you get Heaven. Many people ask, " What if i believe in Him and then die and find out that he does not exist?" Well, you didn't lose anything by believing. What if you die and then realize that he exists? What i am trying to say is that it is a win-win situation because even "IF" he does not exist, believing in Him gave me a very nice guideline to live my life and i lived happy.

                                                                                                                                        For those that don't believe, there is nothing i can do about that. Even though they tell me that it is our job to recruit non- believers. There is no way you can change what someone believes in or not. It is a decision that only that person can make for him/her self. So if you do not believe, I totally respect that and I also ask that you respect the fact that I do believe.
                                                                                                                                        haha

                                                                                                                                        what can i say. Criteria for a supposed heaven and hell is if you believe or not?

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                                                                                                                                          • Theo
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                                                                                                                                            • May 2001
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                                                                                                                                            #185
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by boobmaster
                                                                                                                                            I wouldn't go that far. But I have seen some interesting arguments to that effect.

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                                                                                                                                              • Halo18
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                                                                                                                                                #186
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by pxxx
                                                                                                                                                What i am trying to say is that it is a win-win situation because even "IF" he does not exist, believing in Him gave me a very nice guideline to live my life and i lived happy.
                                                                                                                                                How many of those guides do you really follow though? Do you curse? Did you have sex before marriage?

                                                                                                                                                Most people today aren't Christian anymore, they're SELECTIVELY Christian. They buy into the parts they like, and forget the rules that don't fit their liking.

                                                                                                                                                Also, you're basically supporting ignorant happiness in the case that no god exists... So, an entire lifetime built up around a lie would be ok with you?

                                                                                                                                                I honestly don't have any problem with faith by itself. I think mass organization of religion is a bad idea in general, and this has been proven many times. I won't go into the long list of fuck-ups caused by religion, I'm sure we can all name at least a few. Also the Christian influence on the country that boasts "freedom of religion" is enough to make me sick.

                                                                                                                                                Sometimes I truely feel bad for people that just NEED to believe that there's a higher power. I've had talks with guys who have said things like "I can't imagine how you just don't believe in anything". I guess to some people the thought that this is it, that this life is literally a dead end road, is just too much to accept. So religion comes in to make life easier to deal with. At that level, its fine. But when it starts influencing government, and the lives of people who believe differently.. it's a major problem.

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                                                                                                                                                  • CarnivalOfWhores
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                                                                                                                                                    • Jun 2004
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                                                                                                                                                    #187
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                                                                                                                                                      • disasterface
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                                                                                                                                                        • Jul 2004
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                                                                                                                                                        #188
                                                                                                                                                        The reason GOD can not exist is because I am him. BUT, I live in between multiple existences that you can only see online therefore I do not exist in the typical sense in which HUMANS understand it. Therefore, to you, I don not exist. PROOF.
                                                                                                                                                        it's so hard to see when you're eyes are rollin in the back of your head.

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                                                                                                                                                          • detoxed
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                                                                                                                                                            • Jan 2003
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                                                                                                                                                            #189
                                                                                                                                                            Wow I guess I lied when I said I wasnt coming back. Bump.

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                                                                                                                                                              • boobmaster
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                                                                                                                                                                • Jul 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                #190
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by detoxed
                                                                                                                                                                Wow I guess I lied when I said I wasnt coming back. Bump.
                                                                                                                                                                digging up old threads to increase the drama on GFY .......

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