It's idiot call-in time on CSPAN2 right now... "Republicans" at war with themselves

Anyone read that article in Harpers?

Which one, they have several

Senate is coming back live now. Owens is likely to get her vote today.

Wow, the callers in the lunch break were crazy. The rabid repub-right is threatening to boycott anyone who supports the 7 Republicans who were involved with last night's agreement.

i havent turned my tv on in weeks

You should watch what our elected idio-...er..officials are doing... http://www.cspan.org

i am too busy following local politics.

we are at war here in california.

we just outed Hahn and are on to the next.

we are working to put pro marijuana judges in the senate and on more benches.

For a while there I thought Robert Byrd was doing a fillibuster out of protest

Keep an eye out for the weed dood

we are leading the war.

as far as i know, are there any other states with active judges who are pro marijuana?

http://www.judgejimgray.com

i voted for him for senate but he fell short.

this judge actually attends pro pot rally!

Yeah, stoners in government. That's got to be a good thing... morons.

The s was added to moron to include anyone who believes legalizing pot to actually be an issue worthy of attention.

The llegalization of pot/hemp would solve a lot of social and economic ills, but go on supporting your anti-God (criminilize his lifeforms) and anti-human (more chemicals and laws, disregard compassion) agenda.

Good call genius, putting millions of mostly poor people in jail for doing something hundreds of times LESS HARMFUL than legal things such as drinking and smoking cigarettes is a great fucking idea. Adults shouldn't be able to make up their own minds about what they put into their bodies in a free country.

You're the only fucking moron here pal if you can't see that.

Spoken like a brain dead pot head. Which exact social and economic ills would it solve? Take whatever unrealistic pipe dream you come up with and then look at the other side of the coin, where legalizing it causes even more problems than it supposedly solves.

Step away from the bong.

Step away from the television.

What problems will legalizing pot cause? None. Less kids will use it and they won't get stuff mixed with other drugs, but most of us think of those as positive things.

What harm does it being illegal do? It breaks up countless families and ruins people's lives every day by putting them in jail for doing something that doesn't harm anyone and is a lot better for you than alcohol or nicotine. If you're in favor of outlawing pot you have to be in favor of outlawing those two as well, or else you're an unapologetic hypocrite.

You'd be singing a very different story if you were black and your 18 year old son was facing 5 years for having 2 grams. That's in addition to the fact that hemp could essentially replace plastic in over 50% of the products it's used it, cutting our dependance on oil and the amount of non biodegradable waste we produce drastically. But the government says it's bad, so you may as well keep your fucking head six inches up your ass and think anyone who disagrees with prohibition is a stupid pot head. Pot was made criminal though a propaganda campaign in the 1930's because DuPont had just invented plastic, and the only purpose it serves today is keeping poor people in jail to be used as slave labour. Rich white kids from the suburbs do not go to jail for pot, poor blacks do.

If you don't think Hemp is an unbelievably useful source of fiber and fuel given to us by God to USE, then you're a fucking idiot because you're leaving $100,000 on the table: http://www.jackherer.com/.

"I have given you all the world's plants and herbs to use"
-God

That's from that book, you know, the one stupid people listen to all the time. The Bible, that's it.

Jackass.

Pot is less damaging than booze or cigarettes, and our prisons are filling up with non-violent non-criminals while we're letting violent thugs out because there's no room to keep them locked up.

I swear I just can't understand what goes thru the heads of people such as yourself. It's like you live in bizarro-earth or something and got dropped here by mistake, but there's SO MANY of you!

Oh, another massively positive thing about legalizing it... it will take the sale out of the hands of shady drug dealers and put it into the hands of regulated companies. In other words, when your 16 year old buys dope, he'll be buying it from a store and not some drug dealer who's also trying to push him cocaine, acid, ecstasy, what have you. Lumping pot in with hard drugs not only gives kids the sense that everything we tell them about drugs is bullshit, it sends kids into homes with cocaine and handguns.

It's all fucking common sense if you actually sit down and think about it, unfortunately a remarkably small percentage of people have common sense or at least, are willing to use it regarding issues with which they've already been told how to think.

It's mind-boggling sometimes.

$25 to anyone who can win an anti-marijuana debate with me

see icq below

beware, i will rip off your head & spike it on a nightmare you can't possibly imagine

Potheads rationalizing the merits of their drug of choice is infinitely hilarious. Do you braindead fucks actually READ what you are typing?

Tell you what, let's get a pilot that smokes cigarettes and one who smokes dope to light up a few and see which plane actually lands... stupid fucks.

Do you have any common sense whatsoever? That's the fucking worst, most childish argument in the book.

Are you in favor of the prohibition of alcohol? I wouldn't want my pilot to be stoned on pot, but I'd choose that over pissed drunk any day of the week and so would anyone familiar with the effects of both drugs.

So answer the question before tossing out lame insults and considering yourself superior to people who are clearly much more educated than you are.

Are you in favor of the prohibition of alcohol, or are you a hypocrite?

There's no third option for you.

There is no hypocrisy here and you are hardly more educated than I am. You are comparing illegal drugs to legal ones and comparing nicotine to THC is ludicrous at best. Your arguments for legalization are a joke and inherently flawed. The fact that you can't see that shows just how addled your brain has become by smoking all that pot.

The fact that you think legalizing pot is more of an issue than stopping illegal immigration shows how warped your values are. Perhaps when you become a productive member of society instead of a dope smoking moron your views may change, but I'm not holding my breath.

You are a fucking retard.

That is the most well thought out reply yet. Kudos, junior!

I say build huge walls acrossed the mexican and canadian borders and equip them with automated laser cannons every 400 feet to destroy anything that moves.

With big warning signs on a fence a half mile out ~

hmm, nice insults, unfortunately you didn't answer my question or respond to any of my points. How are my arguments inherently flawed? Oh wait, they're not, they're fantastic points you have no response for, because their is no response. What do you want me to say? My dad can beat up your dad? Go back to school jackass, come back when you can string a thought together.

They're only "illegal" drugs because people made them that way, alcohol was once illegal in case you forgot. Using that as your argument to not compare the two is so "inherently flawed" a 4th grader could see through it. What's your case for supporting legal alcohol and not legal marijuana, when alcohol is way worse for your body and kills mother fuckers every day of the week? That's it's legal? LMFAO, good point buddy, aces.

Oh that's right, you don't have a case, you just have a bunch of ignorant opinions based on misinformation and instead of listening to rational points being explained to you clearly by people who are much more intelligent and almost certainly more educated than yourself, you prefer to insult them and bury your head in the sand. Congrats buddy, hope that works out for you.

You sir are in fact a hypocrite, and a fucking stupid one at that. Saying your not and throwing insults around can't change that, sorry.

Then open mexican shooting season for a week

I love how so many people in America have worked themselves into a frenzy over immigrants recently. It has nothing to do with the fact the TV has been telling people to think that way, no, that's just a coincidence.

I love America.

RIGHT ON MAN!

making pot illegal in the USA is just stupid, but USA is soo fucked up from religion here.

hmm, so I guess Darksoft is going to pussy out instead of answering the question. I can't say I'm shocked, people who argue subjects that they're completely ignorant about generally don't like being called out to do anything more than insult people who disagree with their narrow minded opinions.

Time to smoke a fat one.

Sometimes I think that the cops and preachers who monitor this board just can't stand to stay silent any longer, and this is the result.

Good call, funforone is definitely in that category as well.

Sadly, your arguments for are so flawed it's incredible. If you think that legalizing it will make life sunshine and roses for everyone you really haven't given it any thought at all. You simply spout the same tired old line of every pot head in the US.

Believing dealers will go away is the last thing that will happen. You'll have more drug related incidents than ever. Seems all that pot has addled your brains to that simple inescapable fact. I expected nothing less from you, especially the America hater Dick.

If the crime was removed from it the price would go down so far it would not be worth dealing in. The argument that usually follows that point is that people will be buying for kids. There are people who buy alcohol for kids so to use this argument you must be for prohibition of alcohol to not be hypocritical.
There are a number of countries that have decriminilized/legalized marijuana. I'm sure you can show statistics of their increased drug incidents?

This guy knows what he's talking about.

--I'm on the herbalist side here, for sure, but i also believe that arguing in forums is like running in the special olympics. even if u win you're still retarded... lol

--mardigras, are you in nola?

Fight the good fight.

Makes sense.

I know that it is on the Canadian agenda to build such a wall... I don't know tough if the Mexicans will do the same.

If they legalize pot I'm buying stock in cheetoes!

Here in California people are legally getting prescriptions for marijuana for like $150. And when you get your id card you can legally grow your own plants too.

But watch out! The stoners are going to rise up and take over in the next five years!!!

and I will be sooo fucking glad to stop supporting losers who live with their mom and on unemployment. You think that is a bad thing?

there is no need to argue with fucking people on boards about this,.

if decriminalizing wasnt good california would not have done it before most of you were even born.

California has been decriminalized since 1976.

our cops dont chase people for pot, they chase the people with guns, the murderes, and rapists.

anyone can find decrim talking points. dont bother arguing with people. simply state the FACTS:

http://www.norml.com/index.cfm?Group_ID=3381

60,000 individuals are behind bars for marijuana offenses at a cost to taxpayers of $1.2 billion per year.
REFERENCE: Marijuana Arrests and Incarceration in the United States. 1999. The Federation of American Scientists' Drug Policy Analysis Bulletin.

Taxpayers annually spend between $7.5 billion and $10 billion arresting and prosecuting individuals for marijuana violations. Almost 90 percent of these arrests are for marijuana possession only.
REFERENCE: NORML. 1997. Still Crazy After All These Years: Marijuana Prohibition 1937-1997: A report prepared by the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML) on the occasion of the Sixtieth anniversary of the adoption of the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937. Washington, DC; Federal Bureau of Investigation's combined Uniform Crime Reports: Crime in the United States (1990-2000): Table: Arrest for Drug Abuse Violations. U.S. Department of Justice: Washington, DC.

The state of California saved nearly $1 billion dollars from 1976 to 1985 by decriminalizing the personal possession of one ounce of marijuana, according to a study of the state justice department budget.
REFERENCE: M. Aldrich and T. Mikuriya. 1988. Savings in California marijuana law enforcement costs attributable to the Moscone Act of 1976. Journal of Psychoactive Drugs 20: 75-81.

New Mexico's 2001 state-commissioned Drug Policy Advisory Group determined that marijuana decriminalization "will result in greater availability of resources to respond to more serious crimes without any increased risks to public safety."
REFERENCE: New Mexico Governor's Drug Policy Advisory Group. 2001. Report and Recommendations to the Governor's Office. State Capitol: Santa Fe.

Marijuana arrests have more than doubled since 1991, while adult use of the drug has remained stable. During this same period, the number of arrests for cocaine and heroin fell by approximately 33 percent.
REFERENCE: Bureau of Justice Statistics. 2000. Drugs and Crime Facts. Table: Number of Arrests by Drug Type, 1982-99. U.S. Department of Justice: Washington, DC; U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. 1996. National Household Survey on Drug Abuse: Main Findings (1990- 1999). DHHS Printing Office: Rockville, MD.

Police arrest more Americans per year on marijuana charges than the total number of arrestees for all violent crimes combined, including murder, rape, robbery and aggravated assault.
REFERENCE: Federal Bureau of Investigation. 2001. Uniform Crime Report: Crime in the United States, 2000. Table 29: Total estimated arrests in the United States, 2000. U.S. Department of Justice: Washington, DC.

Marijuana violations constitute the fifth most common criminal offense in the United States.
REFERENCE: Bureau of Justice Statistics. 2000. Drugs and Crime Facts. Table: Estimated totals of top 7 arrest offenses, United States, 1999. U.S. Department of Justice: Washington, DC.

More than 734,000 individuals were arrested on marijuana charges in 2000. Eighty-eight percent of those arrested were charged with marijuana possession only.
REFERENCE: Federal Bureau of Investigation. 2001. Uniform Crime Report Crime in the United States, 2000. Table: Arrest for Drug Abuse Violations. U.S. Department of Justice: Washington, DC.

Almost 5 million Americans have been arrested for marijuana since 1992. That's more than the entire populations of Alaska, Delaware, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, Washington DC and Wyoming combined.
REFERENCE. Federal Bureau of Investigation. Uniform Crime Reports: Crime in the United States (1993-2000). Table: Arrest for Drug Abuse Violations. U.S. Department of Justice: Washington, DC.

plenty more on that page.

I'm currently about 80 miles away from nola

I love a man with a solid plan