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Originally posted by Meloman
The assumption of income was made based off a post on the Maxcash board 2 years ago from the owner of a large TGP. I believe it was World Sex but I don't remeber exactly since it was 2 years ago.
He SPECIFICALLY said his TGP made $35K monthly.
Alot can happen in 2 years though...
WGI play with Google.Comment
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Originally posted by Meloman
The assumption of income was made based off a post on the Maxcash board 2 years ago from the owner of a large TGP. I believe it was World Sex but I don't remeber exactly since it was 2 years ago.
He SPECIFICALLY said his TGP made $35K monthly.
jesus -- even pichunter makes more than that these days.. lol
one person's income isn't indicitive of anothers. looking at that time frame I'm assuming that was cor, NOT pierre - and he sold that TGP to pierre for one of the best deals ANYONE i know of in the last 3 years in adult bought a site for. I would have paid many times what pierre did for it.
is ibill's net profit indictitive of jettis's or epoch's or ccbill's?
should i say the "i" word again or are you willing to conceed?Last edited by SleazyDream; 07-17-2004, 08:45 PM.This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
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indicative?Originally posted by SleazyDream
jesus -- even pichunter makes more than that these days.. lol
one person's income isn't indicitive of anothers. looking at that time frame I'm assuming that was cor, NOT pierre - and he sold that TGP to pierre for one of the best deals ANYONE i know of in the last 3 years in adult bought a site for. I would have paid many times what pierre did for it.
is ibill's net profit indictitive of jettis's or epoch's or ccbill's?
should i say the "i" word again or are you willing to conceed?gfy'ers remind me of the causeheads from pcuComment
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Ok.. well I guess going with site profits wasn't the best route to take, lol.Originally posted by SleazyDream
one person's income isn't indicitive of anothers. looking at that time frame I'm assuming that was cor, NOT pierre - and he sold that TGP to pierre for one of the best deals ANYONE i know of in the last 3 years in adult bought a site for. I would have paid many times what pierre did for it.
is ibill's net profit indictitive of jettis's or epoch's or ccbill's?
should i say the "i" word again or are you willing to conceed?
Regardless I'm still going to hold that good SE traffic still out converts good TGP traffic.
Also it doesn't matter that TGP's recieve SE traffic. The traffic is more potent and fresh straight off the SE. Once they've hit a TGP it's potency all ready starts to dilute. Just my opinion.Last edited by Meloman; 07-17-2004, 08:54 PM.Comment
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once again - bad statement. all depends on the site you're promoting. some sponsers convert better with SE - some better with TGP - some a mix. you're only able to speak from your own experience, you don't really know anyone else's.Originally posted by Meloman
Ok.. well I guess going with site profits wasn't the best route to take, lol.
Regardless I'm still going to hold that good SE traffic still out converts good TGP traffic.
a statement like that makes everyone here think you're company isn't capable of converting TGP traffic... and not every company is. it's one of the reasons why companies like nasty dollars and others like them expoled in the last few years - they filled a niche many of the larger more established paysites couldn't in the TGP marketplace.This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
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For most TGP's the SE traffic is hardly a large percent.Originally posted by Meloman
Ok.. well I guess going with site profits wasn't the best route to take, lol.
Regardless I'm still going to hold that good SE traffic still out converts good TGP traffic.
Also it doesn't matter that TGP's recieve SE traffic. The traffic is more potent and fresh straight off the SE. Once they've hit a TGP it's potency all ready starts to dilute. Just my opinion.Comment
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once again - that DEPENDS on the TGP. i know some with 300K/day plus SE traffic in themOriginally posted by slapass
For most TGP's the SE traffic is hardly a large percent.This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
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TGP's make more money than most SEO sites....go the TGP route. SE sites are good too not as good as TGP's!!!! i have personal experience with both.Comment
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alot of your posts are filled with underlying tgp theory, you must secretly want to help everyone succeedOriginally posted by SleazyDream
once again - bad statement. all depends on the site you're promoting. some sponsers convert better with SE - some better with TGP - some a mix. you're only able to speak from your own experience, you don't really know anyone else's.
a statement like that makes everyone here think you're company isn't capable of converting TGP traffic... and not every company is. it's one of the reasons why companies like nasty dollars and others like them expoled in the last few years - they filled a niche many of the larger more established paysites couldn't in the TGP marketplace.gfy'ers remind me of the causeheads from pcuComment
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i may dance around in circles but OCCOSIONALLY there is a POINT.Originally posted by creegan
alot of your posts are filled with underlying tgp theory, you must secretly want to help everyone succeed
it's why GFY loves me. this teddy bear has TEETHThis dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
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Ok, I'll give you that. I am only speaking from my personal experience. I mainly play the SE game and haven't done any TGP experimenting it years.Originally posted by SleazyDream
once again - bad statement. all depends on the site you're promoting. some sponsers convert better with SE - some better with TGP - some a mix. you're only able to speak from your own experience, you don't really know anyone else's.
Ouch big time on me.... I'm "trying" to speaki from MY personal experience with MY personal traffic and this has nothing to do with how Hustler or Vivid converts. I don't want this to be a reflection of how those sites convert.Originally posted by SleazyDream
a statement like that makes everyone here think you're company isn't capable of converting TGP traffic... and not every company is. it's one of the reasons why companies like nasty dollars and others like them expoled in the last few years - they filled a niche many of the larger more established paysites couldn't in the TGP marketplace.
I do see you're point though and understant that the Nasty Dollars etc.. of the world filled a void in the TGP market.
Let's aggree on this though... it still comes down to volume. Regardless of which converts better...there's far more people with large TGP's than big SE players. And that's simple cause SE traffic is much harder to get...especially in volume (at an affordable profitable price).Comment
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You can't make blanket statements on either. It really depends on the sort of traffic you have to deal with. TGP and SE aren't mutually exclusive.icq: 320340263Comment
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looks familiarOriginally posted by Meloman
And that's simple cause SE traffic is much harder to get...especially in volume (at an affordable profitable price).gfy'ers remind me of the causeheads from pcuComment
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You're very wrong with this. SE traffic in large volume isn't hard to get as long as you have the resources necessary to build it.Let's aggree on this though... it still comes down to volume. Regardless of which converts better...there's far more people with large TGP's than big SE players. And that's simple cause SE traffic is much harder to get...especially in volume (at an affordable profitable price).icq: 320340263Comment
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Nice! That I did not know. I figured TGP's now get more SE traffic because of the SE's link popularity based algo's. But never thought it would be that high.Originally posted by SleazyDream
once again - that DEPENDS on the TGP. i know some with 300K/day plus SE traffic in them
I say again... sweeet.Comment
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i agree in doing what WORKS for you and you're doing that.Originally posted by Meloman
Ok, I'll give you that. I am only speaking from my personal experience. I mainly play the SE game and haven't done any TGP experimenting it years.
Ouch big time on me.... I'm "trying" to speaki from MY personal experience with MY personal traffic and this has nothing to do with how Hustler or Vivid converts. I don't want this to be a reflection of how those sites convert.
I do see you're point though and understant that the Nasty Dollars etc.. of the world filled a void in the TGP market.
Let's aggree on this though... it still comes down to volume. Regardless of which converts better...there's far more people with large TGP's than big SE players. And that's simple cause SE traffic is much harder to get...especially in volume (at an affordable profitable price).
I've always told people to do JUST THAT.
i don't know if i'd agree that there are more large income earning TGPs than SE players - SE incumpusas soo much more than just adult - and there's soo many consulting businesses in SE - there has to be a LOT of major players there - I'd BET more than large TGPs but that's a guess and i honestly don't know.This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
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i get upwards of 70-100K se traffic a day some days on just sleazydream....and i've never targeted seach engines. some guys have and they do MUCH better with SE traffic.Originally posted by Meloman
Nice! That I did not know. I figured TGP's now get more SE traffic because of the SE's link popularity based algo's. But never thought it would be that high.
I say again... sweeet.This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
Now read without the word dog.Comment
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Well there's regular SE listing results and PPC results.Originally posted by beergood
You're very wrong with this. SE traffic in large volume isn't hard to get as long as you have the resources necessary to build it.
Besides PPC traffic and outright buying it... regular se listings are hard to manipulate.
Even with PPC you can outright buy a huge volume...but will you make more than it cost?... PPC is historically difficult to master.Comment
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what's hard and difficult for one person is sometimes easy for another.Originally posted by Meloman
Well there's regular SE listing results and PPC results.
Besides PPC traffic and outright buying it... regular se listings are hard to manipulate.
Even with PPC you can outright buy a huge volume...but will you make more than it cost?... PPC is historically difficult to master.This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
Now read without the word dog.Comment
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also familiarOriginally posted by SleazyDream
what's hard and difficult for one person is sometimes easy for another.gfy'ers remind me of the causeheads from pcuComment
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Originally posted by Meloman
Well there's regular SE listing results and PPC results.
Besides PPC traffic and outright buying it... regular se listings are hard to manipulate.
Even with PPC you can outright buy a huge volume...but will you make more than it cost?... PPC is historically difficult to master.
I wasn't talking about PPC.m
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Thanks... that's much nicer to hear than your original out right "idiot" like the true idiots receive, lol.Originally posted by SleazyDream
i agree in doing what WORKS for you and you're doing that. I've always told people to do JUST THAT.
Sweet number. I never realized you guys got that much in SE traffic. I always figured it was in the 10K range tops.Originally posted by SleazyDream
i get upwards of 70-100K se traffic a day some days on just sleazydream....and i've never targeted seach engines. some guys have and they do MUCH better with SE traffic.Comment
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Hehehe. Nice. I think I know exactly what you mean.. and I repeat.. NIce!Originally posted by beergood
I wasn't talking about PPC.m
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And btw... just to lend some credibility to what I've said in this thread...
I don't "only" work for Webquest. I've been a webmaster for 6 plus years and have plenty of my own traffic...all SE based :-)Comment
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definitely interesting to see what two wm's in fairly opposite corners think about the same issue... doesn't happen here enough. good threadOriginally posted by Meloman
And btw... just to lend some credibility to what I've said in this thread...
I don't "only" work for Webquest. I've been a webmaster for 6 plus years and have plenty of my own traffic...all SE based :-)
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in the end its how much work you do, not how much work Sleazy or anyone else does. it doesn't matter how much money i make, it doesn't mean you'll make any.
if you're smart and work your ass off you'll make a living. that part is easy. if you spend your fuckin night talking about how much everyone else is making, you're just gonna be broke, sad and give up.
last year when i was with hegre we had a no media policy. we ignored you fuckers on gfy and all the other adult forums because we had a mission. as a result we went from 20k in 2002 to 3mil in 2003.
dont worry about what Sleazy is doing. whats your mission?- global/lifetime affiliate tracking
- cookies written on FHG pages
- Pleasure King Studios
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SE, without a doubt.Comment
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Originally posted by KingDough
in the end its how much work you do, not how much work Sleazy or anyone else does. it doesn't matter how much money i make, it doesn't mean you'll make any.
if you're smart and work your ass off you'll make a living. that part is easy. if you spend your fuckin night talking about how much everyone else is making, you're just gonna be broke, sad and give up.
last year when i was with hegre we had a no media policy. we ignored you fuckers on gfy and all the other adult forums because we had a mission. as a result we went from 20k in 2002 to 3mil in 2003.
dont worry about what Sleazy is doing. whats your mission?
This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
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I think he is PR zero now and is banned in Google. Link lists don't count.Originally posted by SleazyDream
once again - that DEPENDS on the TGP. i know some with 300K/day plus SE traffic in themComment
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Originally posted by Shaze
TGP's make more money than most SEO sites....go the TGP route. SE sites are good too not as good as TGP's!!!! i have personal experience with both.
, thats fucking awesome man.. thanks . lol
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I'm continually amazed here...everytime I come here I have to slap myself.
BTW, evil1...check the link for number 1200 in your sig.Insert Value Here.Comment
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TGP's.Who makes more money in adult? SE gurus or TGP gurus?
I wish i was a TGP guru.
I am a SE guru for sure but even though I get well over 800,000k a day of free SE traffic that is well qualified,I only make between $35-$40 G a month .
If someone is a tgp guru and wants to combine the 2, send me a email.Comment
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Couple of years ago I always did over 35k a month with Maxcash just working SE traffic by myself.
Buggered if I can do that now in adult though, most SE guys I know now deal in a mix of adult and non adult. Non adult programs have come a long way and its now possible to make good $$$ there fairly easily. For my time spent I can make more in non adult now than adult by far. Biggest problem has been scaling the traffic, while my loans traffic converts at 1/8 @ 12.50 a lead its very hard to get decent traffic if it exists at all, get a 1000 hits a day in this area and you doing well.
Google adsense has sort of blown this all away because suddenly there are vast areas of traffic that were previously pretty unprofitable that are now huge sources of income.
Search engines are a lot smarter now as well so while you can still get to the top pretty easy for any given term trying to scale this over 100's, of domains and pages is getting extremely hard and trying to maintain those positions for any length is even harder.
So when it comes to adult, and as a SE guy, I say TGP's would be making more at present but keep in mind anyone I know who's worth there weight in SEO is making there $$$ from multiple areas nowComment
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I agree.Adsense has definetly made it easier to earn decent money mainstream though Google keeps turning the knob up on their tracking to make less financially worthwhile as it was.And though the principle is the same for se's whether its adult kws or mainstream kws, its easier to buy pr for mainstream sites and hiding links from expired domains to adult sites is pretty much now short term.Originally posted by MrBaldBastard
So when it comes to adult, and as a SE guy, I say TGP's would be making more at present but keep in mind anyone I know who's worth there weight in SEO is making there $$$ from multiple areas nowComment
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yeah, everybody listen to SleazyDream...Originally posted by SleazyDream
stupid question, as many tgps own paysites and get revenue and traffic from SE and seperating it would be difficult. also pure TGP traffic from any good tgp has a major SE component to it.
anyone who thinks there really is a difference and that's it's seperatable has MAJOR blinders on and really doesn't have a clue about how to make real money in an online business in today's marketplace.
TGP traffic is just as good as SE traffic
No need for anyone to try to acquire such an overall small amount SE traffic when there is an overabundance of TGP surfers
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You're forgetting one thing.... traffic a few years ago was capable of making more money per surfer than traffic is capable of now.Originally posted by Meloman
Now don't quote me on this, but I remember a few years ago how a major TGP site owner came to my sponsors board and talked about how his site made $35K monthly. So I'm taking a guess here that top TGP sites make $30k - $50K monthly. Think that number sounds about right sleazy? What about someone like The Hun? What would guess his monthly earning are? Over $100K?
Now I could be completely off base, but if my above numbers are correct, then right now I know at least 2 top SE guys making more than that....
Remember the old sex.com? It was just a bannerfarm and they banked massive amounts of money from that.
I'm willing to bet that the quality of SE traffic has decreased at a slower rate than the quality of TGP traffic. Anybody want to be me?
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hahahahaha if you believe that some TGP's have 300K/day or more SE traffic in them then YOU yourself have very minimal knowledge of SE traffic (which I can believe, b/c sleazydream.com gets dick when it comes to SE traffic)Originally posted by SleazyDream
once again - that DEPENDS on the TGP. i know some with 300K/day plus SE traffic in them
There is NO TGP that has 300K / day plus TGP traffic.
The only TGP that was anywhere near the 100K / day in SE traffic in recent times was smashingthumbs.com, and now they're banned in google.
The only sites that even reach anywhere near the 100K / day pure SE traffic are link lists, and even then you can count the number of LL's with that much SE traffic on just a single hand.
If you don't mind, let me ask you a question so I can get an idea of how far ignorant you are of the volume of SE traffic on the net.
How much traffic a day do you think that the #1 listing for the term "porn," arguably the most searched for adult term on the net, gets per day from either google or yahoo?
1K? 10K? 100K?
Take a guess smart guy, and show the experience SE workers how little you really know.Last edited by kush; 07-18-2004, 01:01 AM.Comment
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SE traffic is better so se gurus
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What only matters is what you get as individual. The basic difference between TGP gurus, SE gurus, and mail gurus is that you can easily spot the first ones. When it comes to SE traffic and mailing there are a lot of bullshiters, small to average players that pass you the impression they can do miracles and get a shitload of traffic which doesnt happen.Comment
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considering that my good friend who has 1/10th the traffic that i do in SE and makes roughly 8 times what i do in tgp's, i would say that SE's make more. getting hits from SE's isn't easy, but if you get the hits AND have the marketing to convert, they will dominate any TGP that has 10 times the traffic.Comment
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sleazy doesnt make much money with sleazydream.com....he probably makes most of his money with paysites and galleries submitting....there are TGP guys with huge networks of TGPs who make LOTS and LOTS more than sleazy. Trust meOriginally posted by ill
Ask Wired guy then ask Sleazy. This would be a great debate.
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hahaha, top TGP guys make MUCH MUCH MORE than 50k$ a month. A LOT more!Originally posted by Meloman
Now don't quote me on this, but I remember a few years ago how a major TGP site owner came to my sponsors board and talked about how his site made $35K monthly. So I'm taking a guess here that top TGP sites make $30k - $50K monthly. Think that number sounds about right sleazy? What about someone like The Hun? What would guess his monthly earning are? Over $100K?Thanks to: ISPrime.com - best hosting company without downtimeComment
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It;s not THAT hard to understandOriginally posted by kush
hahahahaha if you believe that some TGP's have 300K/day or more SE traffic in them then YOU yourself have very minimal knowledge of SE traffic (which I can believe, b/c sleazydream.com gets dick when it comes to SE traffic)
There is NO TGP that has 300K / day plus TGP traffic.
The only TGP that was anywhere near the 100K / day in SE traffic in recent times was smashingthumbs.com, and now they're banned in google.
The only sites that even reach anywhere near the 100K / day pure SE traffic are link lists, and even then you can count the number of LL's with that much SE traffic on just a single hand.
If you don't mind, let me ask you a question so I can get an idea of how far ignorant you are of the volume of SE traffic on the net.
How much traffic a day do you think that the #1 listing for the term "porn," arguably the most searched for adult term on the net, gets per day from either google or yahoo?
1K? 10K? 100K?
Take a guess smart guy, and show the experience SE workers how little you really know.
Sleazydream gets a lot of traffic from SEs BUT it's not from terms like "porn" or "hardcore" or "petite brunettes". It's from surfers looking for his TGP so they search for stuff like "sleazydream" or "sleazy dream tgp". This ALSO means that SE traffic like that is worth much less than SE traffic looking for "mature moms" etc. You could say that his SE traffic is as good (or as bad) as his TGP traffic.Thanks to: ISPrime.com - best hosting company without downtimeComment
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Good point, technically traffic seaching for "sleazy dream" is search engine traffic - but then again it's traffic that was already at sleazy's site before so it's not high quality SE traffic. Also, I'm willing to bet some money that Sleazy gets maybe than 10-20K of *** low quality *** SE traffic per day. 10-15K of low quality SE traffic isn't bad (thought it won't make much money overall), but it's not even 1/3 the value of **high quality** SE traffic (high quality, for example, could be pretty much any search involving the work "porn", except "free porn")Originally posted by Mike-BP
It;s not THAT hard to understand
Sleazydream gets a lot of traffic from SEs BUT it's not from terms like "porn" or "hardcore" or "petite brunettes". It's from surfers looking for his TGP so they search for stuff like "sleazydream" or "sleazy dream tgp". This ALSO means that SE traffic like that is worth much less than SE traffic looking for "mature moms" etc. You could say that his SE traffic is as good (or as bad) as his TGP traffic.
So in conclusion, Sleazy still gets dick for SE traffic, yet he speaks like he's some sort of knowledgeable guru
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some top players in SE definitely make more than TheHun, if you count people who use ppc.
People who just optimise for SE's, some probably have periods where they'd go close to TheHun, but that income stream is no where near as safe.Comment
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I guess TGP gurus doesn't explicitly mean TGP owners.. so disregard my previous post
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Idiot.Originally posted by SleazyDream
so all those that blindly said SE - my answer to them is that's a PUBLIC statement that you don't have a fucking clue. IDIOTS.Comment
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I would guess that people who make the most in the TGP game are TGP owners, not submittersOriginally posted by sacX
I guess TGP gurus doesn't explicitly mean TGP owners.. so disregard my previous post
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many valid pointsOriginally posted by kush
hahahahaha if you believe that some TGP's have 300K/day or more SE traffic in them then YOU yourself have very minimal knowledge of SE traffic (which I can believe, b/c sleazydream.com gets dick when it comes to SE traffic)
There is NO TGP that has 300K / day plus TGP traffic.
The only TGP that was anywhere near the 100K / day in SE traffic in recent times was smashingthumbs.com, and now they're banned in google.
The only sites that even reach anywhere near the 100K / day pure SE traffic are link lists, and even then you can count the number of LL's with that much SE traffic on just a single hand.
If you don't mind, let me ask you a question so I can get an idea of how far ignorant you are of the volume of SE traffic on the net.
How much traffic a day do you think that the #1 listing for the term "porn," arguably the most searched for adult term on the net, gets per day from either google or yahoo?
1K? 10K? 100K?
Take a guess smart guy, and show the experience SE workers how little you really know.
an example:
#1 spot for "nude celebrities" on yahoo bring about 500-800 uniques / day
#1 spot for "blowjobs" on google gave me 800-900 uniques
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and the list goes on...
I wanna see the TGP that gets 300k SE hits a day
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