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  • Dirty F
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Jul 2001
    • 59204

    #1

    I just love the new 2257 regulations



    Its the best thing that happened in a long time.
  • GatorB
    The Demon & 12clicks
    • Oct 2001
    • 18208

    #2
    Originally posted by Franck


    Its the best thing that happened in a long time.
    Bet you loved herpes and AIDS too. How about global warming you like that?

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    • xxxdesign-net
      My hips don't lie
      • Nov 2002
      • 10129

      #3
      Arent you a big fan of teen thumb TGPs..? Alot of them might go belly-up...

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      • fireorange
        Confirmed User
        • Jan 2005
        • 1648

        #4
        Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
        Arent you a big fan of teen thumb TGPs..? Alot of them might go belly-up...
        Ones ran by US webmasters only.

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        • Trax
          [----------------------]
          • Aug 2001
          • 14486

          #5
          I don't see them being good, regardless if you#re a european webmaster or not
          do you host outside of the US already?? I somehow doubt most european webmasters do

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          • sumphatpimp
            Confirmed User
            • Aug 2002
            • 5235

            #6
            culling of the herd is a good thing

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            • polish_aristocrat
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Jul 2002
              • 40377

              #7
              i dont care about them at all to be honest
              I don't use ICQ anymore.

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              • Manowar
                jellyfish  
                • Dec 2003
                • 71528

                #8
                i host outside the US

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                • Nicky
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 30071

                  #9
                  Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
                  i dont care about them at all to be honest
                  Same here....

                  gfynicky @ gmail.com

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                  • RawAlex
                    So Fucking Banned
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 9465

                    #10
                    Got us sponsors?
                    got us hosting?
                    get paid by us payment processors?
                    accept submissions from us webmasters?
                    buy content from us producers?
                    Any part of your business trail touches the US?

                    Any of these things (and many more) enter you into a contract to commercially producer and distribute sexual images. You can run but you cannot hide... the rules apply.

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                    • directfiesta
                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 30135

                      #11
                      Originally posted by RawAlex
                      Got us sponsors?
                      got us hosting?
                      get paid by us payment processors?
                      accept submissions from us webmasters?
                      buy content from us producers?
                      Any part of your business trail touches the US?

                      Any of these things (and many more) enter you into a contract to commercially producer and distribute sexual images. You can run but you cannot hide... the rules apply.
                      If you are hosting outside of USA, use non-USA biller, don't live in the USA and don't use a USA based corp, all the above you can do ...

                      I can buy today and tomorrow photos and/or videos without the 2257 if I am not American as above ...
                      As much as I can sell the same without the 2257 to US webmasters. Not illegal for me, but for the buyer to display them ...

                      Anyway, at least, it is going to prevent childporn ....
                      I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                      But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                      • VeriSexy
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                        • Apr 2002
                        • 25463

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Franck


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                        • xxxdesign-net
                          My hips don't lie
                          • Nov 2002
                          • 10129

                          #13
                          Originally posted by RawAlex
                          buy content from us producers?

                          Can you elaborate on that..? If I bought some content for a US producer but didnt get all the documentation.. For the 2257, I basically refer to the adress of the producer, etc... As a non-US webmaster.. how the new 2257 regulations affect me on this.. ?

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                          • xxxdesign-net
                            My hips don't lie
                            • Nov 2002
                            • 10129

                            #14
                            Originally posted by RawAlex
                            get paid by us payment processors?

                            Can you also quote where in the new 2257 regulations this is adressed..?

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                            • directfiesta
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • Oct 2002
                              • 30135

                              #15
                              Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
                              Can you elaborate on that..? If I bought some content for a US producer but didnt get all the documentation.. For the 2257, I basically refer to the adress of the producer, etc... As a non-US webmaster.. how the new 2257 regulations affect me on this.. ?
                              You operate a site out of the US and completely clear of the US. Who will prevent you of "publishing" a set of pictures of a model without 2257 ????

                              The only time a foreigner can really get in trouble is if the models looks like under 18 and IS under 18. Naturally, in such a case , documents are a part of the defense.

                              I can tell you I refused to shoot a girl that looked like 14 , even tough she insisted and showed me what seemed to be legitimate documents... But it was not worth the heat and the risk.

                              As for CC processors, when Visa reviews the site, they checked for the 2257 presence. Now, they will check a bit more ...
                              I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                              But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                              • polish_aristocrat
                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 40377

                                #16
                                hey btw how are the new 2257 rules different than the ones from few months ago?

                                few months ago also everyone said it's the end of the world and nothing happened
                                I don't use ICQ anymore.

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                                • DWB
                                  Registered User
                                  • Jul 2003
                                  • 31779

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by GatorB
                                  Bet you loved herpes and AIDS too. How about global warming you like that?
                                  You can only love herpes when your not having an outbreak.

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                                  • xxxdesign-net
                                    My hips don't lie
                                    • Nov 2002
                                    • 10129

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by directfiesta
                                    You operate a site out of the US and completely clear of the US. Who will prevent you of "publishing" a set of pictures of a model without 2257 ????

                                    No but my main concern is.. can the US producer tell me my license is not valid anymore because he now needs to somehow have all his clients to follow the new 2257 regs..? Guess that will happen after june 23rd 2005.. but as I understand.. it shouldnt matter.. if the content was shot prior to that right.. ?

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                                    • YankBro
                                      Registered User
                                      • Feb 2005
                                      • 81

                                      #19
                                      Visa and MC will cut a foreign site down in a second if the fed's question their 2257 records. Not be a downer or anything but this appears to be the point to me. The feds know the industry will fall to shit once Visa & MC crack down on who they do business for/with.

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                                      • GatorB
                                        The Demon & 12clicks
                                        • Oct 2001
                                        • 18208

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
                                        hey btw how are the new 2257 rules different than the ones from few months ago?

                                        few months ago also everyone said it's the end of the world and nothing happened
                                        Because they were just PROPSOALS then. in 30 days from TODAY the are LAW.

                                        Hope you got all your models IDs and have them cross refenced for every url they appear on. Don't forget he descriptions.

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                                        • directfiesta
                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                          • Oct 2002
                                          • 30135

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
                                          No but my main concern is.. can the US producer tell me my license is not valid anymore because he now needs to somehow have all his clients to follow the new 2257 regs..? Guess that will happen after june 23rd 2005.. but as I understand.. it shouldnt matter.. if the content was shot prior to that right.. ?
                                          The "primary" producer has to supply to US BASED sites the docs. He has no obligation to supply Foreign based sites with those documents if he does not wish to. The USA gov cannot come and arrest him because he did not supply to a Russian based site the 2257 ...

                                          Naturally, it is a good idea to ask and have them, if only to show that he actually owns the content you are buying ....

                                          This before and/or after June 23rd. 2005
                                          I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                          But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                          • directfiesta
                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                            • Oct 2002
                                            • 30135

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by YankBro
                                            Visa and MC will cut a foreign site down in a second if the fed's question their 2257 records. Not be a downer or anything but this appears to be the point to me. The feds know the industry will fall to shit once Visa & MC crack down on who they do business for/with.
                                            Not if you process out of the USA zone. 2257 are nothing out of the USA.
                                            I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                            But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                            • fireorange
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Jan 2005
                                              • 1648

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by YankBro
                                              Visa and MC will cut a foreign site down in a second if the fed's question their 2257 records. Not be a downer or anything but this appears to be the point to me. The feds know the industry will fall to shit once Visa & MC crack down on who they do business for/with.
                                              VISA EU
                                              VISA USA
                                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VISA

                                              IIRC, there is no $750 fee for EU sites?

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                                              • JohnW
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Aug 2002
                                                • 642

                                                #24
                                                FOR ALL OF YOU WHO THOUGHT BEING OVERSEAS MEANT THAT 2257 DIDN'T APPLY TO YOU:

                                                "The rule is no different from other forms of labeling requirements imposed on foreign producers of, e.g., alcohol, tobacco, or food items that are imported into the United States. In order to sell in the U.S. market, foreign producers must comply with U.S. laws. This rule applies equally to any sexually explicit material introduced into the stream of commerce in the United States no matter where it was produced.

                                                Foreign producers have the option of not complying with the rule, but then their access to the U.S. market is justly and lawfully prohibited."

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                                                • fireorange
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Jan 2005
                                                  • 1648

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by JohnW
                                                  FOR ALL OF YOU WHO THOUGHT BEING OVERSEAS MEANT THAT 2257 DIDN'T APPLY TO YOU:

                                                  "The rule is no different from other forms of labeling requirements imposed on foreign producers of, e.g., alcohol, tobacco, or food items that are imported into the United States. In order to sell in the U.S. market, foreign producers must comply with U.S. laws. This rule applies equally to any sexually explicit material introduced into the stream of commerce in the United States no matter where it was produced.

                                                  Foreign producers have the option of not complying with the rule, but then their access to the U.S. market is justly and lawfully prohibited."
                                                  I think that's for foreign producers who want to sell their content to US sponsors, i.e. not affiliate webmasters.

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                                                  • xxxdesign-net
                                                    My hips don't lie
                                                    • Nov 2002
                                                    • 10129

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by JohnW
                                                    FOR ALL OF YOU WHO THOUGHT BEING OVERSEAS MEANT THAT 2257 DIDN'T APPLY TO YOU:

                                                    "The rule is no different from other forms of labeling requirements imposed on foreign producers of, e.g., alcohol, tobacco, or food items that are imported into the United States. In order to sell in the U.S. market, foreign producers must comply with U.S. laws. This rule applies equally to any sexually explicit material introduced into the stream of commerce in the United States no matter where it was produced.

                                                    Foreign producers have the option of not complying with the rule, but then their access to the U.S. market is justly and lawfully prohibited."

                                                    uh... If a US surfer comes to my canadian site hosted on a non-US server.. Im importing nothing into the US.. THe US surfer comes to ME...! Like 18yo americans can buy beer in Canada..,

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                                                    • directfiesta
                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                      • 30135

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by JohnW
                                                      FOR ALL OF YOU WHO THOUGHT BEING OVERSEAS MEANT THAT 2257 DIDN'T APPLY TO YOU:

                                                      "The rule is no different from other forms of labeling requirements imposed on foreign producers of, e.g., alcohol, tobacco, or food items that are imported into the United States. In order to sell in the U.S. market, foreign producers must comply with U.S. laws. This rule applies equally to any sexually explicit material introduced into the stream of commerce in the United States no matter where it was produced.

                                                      Foreign producers have the option of not complying with the rule, but then their access to the U.S. market is justly and lawfully prohibited."
                                                      For producers. Same would apply as an example to americans selling goods into Canada:
                                                      We use metric, so you make your labels with metric measures ....

                                                      Produce hc photos/videos ? Want to sell to US sites??? Nedd the 2257 in the form that the USA required it.
                                                      I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                      But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                      • andrej_NDC
                                                        Registered User
                                                        • May 2004
                                                        • 7760

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Franck


                                                        Its the best thing that happened in a long time.
                                                        go and read the law again

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                                                        • Dirty F
                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                          • 59204

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by andrej_NDC
                                                          go and read the law again
                                                          Uh ok.

                                                          And then?

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