Why do the republitards want to stop stem cell research?

Same reason they want to teach creationism in schools and not evolution; because Gawd doesn't like it

I know, my daughter has Juvenile Diabetes and Stem Cell Research is the key to curing it.

Bastard ultra right-wingers.

Curing diseases is ungodly.

Stem cell research, specifically the kind that comes from fetuses, is ungodly.

The biggest concern as explained to a christian friend of mine works like this.

We find out that Stem cells cures XXXXX diseases. Now there is a huge demand on the product.

Where do we get the product? Well there are alternative sources of the product but for the most part its from the generation of cells from a line from fetuses. Its that whole right to life thing.

So the major concern is that it would put an economic 'edge' on abortions and/or cloning. The idea of generating life, which they argue is at the moment of conception, for the purpose of farming it is wrong... as long as that life is human anyways.

So they dont want to see the demand on the product to go up due to its nefarious source.

I mean think about it.

God created everything.

he Created aids and diabetes and cancer and herpes and....

He DIDNT create the cures for those yet. Therefore they must be godly. right?

there is some exciting new research coming out of germany with type 2 diabetes that may apply to type 1 as well. Fingers crossed for your daughter.

I forget the exact details but it involved extracting tissue from one part of the body and putting it in another. :o it seemed relatively simple and is having some results.

Im really sorry about your daughter.

My grandfather died from alzheimer's. My father has it now. So Im definitely going to get it. Id love research to find cures now so that 30-40 years from now shit like this is cured or easy to treat.

you won't find nearly as many righty blowhards in this thread as in most political threads.

dvd sorry to hear about your daughter. Hopefully we can get rid of the born-agains in time to help her.

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It seems to me that the democratic party claims to be the party of the poor and helpless. Untill they find the most helpless of all and want to farm humans to poke and prod them with metal sticks until they are dead.

Embryonic stem cell research is a very touchy subject subject in the field of science as well as religion.

Pretty good article explaining a little more:


BY PETER J. CATALDO

There are three myths in the politically charged controversy over stem cell research.

One is that all such work involves only embryonic stem cell research. A second is that embryonic stem cell research is the only stem cell research that can aid the treatment of certain types of diseases, and that opposing this type of research will deny unique benefits to those in need. The third myth is that the Roman Catholic Church opposes all stem cell research.

It is critically important for voters and policy makers to know and understand the facts on this issue. In Michigan, for example, legislation has been introduced that would amend an existing statute to allow for human cloning and embryonic stem cell research.

The truth is that there are two types of stem cell research -- embryonic and adult -- and that the treatment needs of people afflicted with debilitating diseases may be met with adult stem cell research. The fact that there are two types of stem cell research and that there are significant differences between them is often lost in the rhetoric.

Extracting stem cells from embryos to establish embryonic stem cell lines kills embryos. Embryonic stem cells have proven difficult to work with and have a propensity to form tumors in experiments. Despite continuing embryonic stem cell research, to date there are no clinical treatments with these cells.

These facts are in contrast to the real success of adult stem cell research in which adult stem cells have been used to treat 56 different diseases. Adult stem cells are present in the body at any time following the embryonic stage of growth in the womb and throughout the remainder of an individual's life. Adult stem cells of newborns are also found in umbilical cord blood and the placenta. Neither the use of adult stem cells nor the establishment of adult stem cell lines involves the destruction of embryos or any disproportionate risk to the individual from whom the cells are taken.

The human embryo is not, as the proponents of embryonic stem cell research assume, "a bundle of cells" or an "undifferentiated mass of cells." Rather, the human embryo is an actual, self-integrating, unified individual being, endowed with human nature and as such is the proper bearer of fundamental human rights. It is a potential newborn or adult, but as real a human individual as any other human. To extract its stem cells is to destroy directly an innocent human life and to sacrifice that life for medical research. Support for this activity places a purely instrumental value on these human individuals who are equal in dignity to any other human being.

Another disturbing ethical concern in the debate is the denouncement that any opposition to embryonic stem cell research is "ideology, not science." What this means is that any position other than acceptance of embryonic stem cell research is necessarily biased and agenda-driven. This view (itself ideological) is disturbing not simply because it assumes there is an imperative to use all available technology, even at the expense of human life, but also because it sets up a false conflict between science and ethics. It is really saying that science should not be evaluated on independent moral grounds.

However, because science -- medicine in particular -- exists to serve the human person, a balance can and must be achieved between the great promise of stem cell research and respect for human life. This is precisely what adult stem cell research accomplishes.

The prospect of curing many debilitating conditions such as Parkinson's disease, diabetes, Alzheimer's disease and paralysis -- or at least significantly lessening the suffering they cause -- through stem cell research and therapy has captured the ethical and political attention of the world. The fact that there is so much at stake in stem cell research makes the issue a defining one for America.

It is important that we understand the whole story behind stem cell research, and as a result understand that to support adult stem cell research while opposing embryonic stem cell research is not ideological but ethically principled and fully consistent with the goals of science and the teaching of the Catholic Church.

It isn't so much stem cell research they're against, its using the unborn when there are other methods that can be used, which there are.

in every thread you come in and post some 3000 word article. If you can't express yourself concisely and clearly, which you can't because you're a republitard, don't post at all.

Just say science and evolution are bad and against Gawd and be done with it.

Yeah, but the "unborn" are merely a bunch of cells no bigger than a pinpoint before they are harvested.


Come on, life for those who are suffering and ill, or "saving" a "life" the size of a pinhead.


Cloning is the future. It is going to happen eventually. In fact, I want to clone myself.

There's a difference between a blastocyst and a cloned blastocyst and 'the unborn' unless you're a bible thumping creep with an agenda, which I know you're not.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_ce..._of_stem_cells

shut up and read the article you dumb fuck. I didn't write it, I read just like most people interested in the subject should do. The facts are that you ahve already proven your ignorance on the subject in this thread and then you refuse to read the only source of information availble to you.

The human embryo is not, as the proponents of embryonic stem cell research assume, "a bundle of cells" or an "undifferentiated mass of cells." Rather, the human embryo is an actual, self-integrating, unified individual being, endowed with human nature and as such is the proper bearer of fundamental human rights. It is a potential newborn or adult, but as real a human individual as any other human. To extract its stem cells is to destroy directly an innocent human life and to sacrifice that life for medical research. Support for this activity places a purely instrumental value on these human individuals who are equal in dignity to any other human being.
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so I guess my splooge is half of an actual human being. Therefore every time I cast my seed upon the ground I'm committing millions of little murders and I'm cursed to burn in hell smelling brimstone.

I CANNOT BELIEVE that people like you were able to seize power in this country. That is just so depressing and disappointing. I can't understand people who willingly and eagerly turn their back on the enlightenment and embrace dark age ideology.

You can't cured diseases because then the drug companies wouldn't have the big bucks to put behind polititians, short and sweet answer

it may be the only source of information available to YOU, since you right wing nutjobs have to create your own media to keep out the bad thoughts, but it's not the only source of information available to ME.

Since I, like all liberals, am primarily interested in facts and not Bible based science, I can get my information from a mulitude of sources.

I thump my Bible weekly, right after I watch my wife suck off a black man.

Get some good pix and we can make some $$ with them ;)

just because it bears repeating.

40,000 children die every day due to hunger. If the world were really more caring, they would educate people on condom use and prevent children from dying.



Oh wait, the Pope is against contraception....



So, in the end, people reproduce like bunnies, the children can't eat, they suffer and die, and the mighty west does little to help. Meanwhile, people who are living suffer sometimes their ENTIRE LIVES to "prevent" the "deaths" of cells who are absolutely not suffering or self-aware.



We will see human clones in our lifetime, I'm sure of it!

right wingers don't actually care about people per se as much as they are anti-sex in general. Once a kid is born they could give a fuck what happens to it.

Don't you see the huge conservative push to help out in the Sudan?

I'm pretty sure they dont want you using the word "harvested" in the fight to legislate and pay for the growth of young humans to dismantle and use body parts as they see fit.

I'm pretty sure if you're arguing semantics it means your argument is very weak fundamentally.

and if a blastocyst is a 'young human', then a sperm cell is half a human. A man ejaculates up to 400 million sperm cells per orgasm.

By your argument's logic, every time you whack off you commit 200,000,000 little murders.

You are an evil person.

I'm having a hard time understanding your logic.



The US drug companies are evil becuase they are after money to compensate them for the medical research they do.

The US administration is evil becuase they wont give more money to fund medical research.


So basically, you want US companies to do more medical research. You dont want them to profit from their research by selling products to individuals. You want the government to pay the companies that do the research. You want the individual to pay more to the government.

I'm sure you realize that beaucracy is a more efficent way of using each dollar than any type of responsiblity of profit through revenue. = false

the problem can be solved very easily.

you integrate immigrationm into the problem.

every female mexican that wants to cross the US border has to be impregnated and her child aborted and forced to give the fetus to the US for stem cell research before she can enter. PROBLEM FUCKING SOLVED!

Damn you are fucking stupid. Have you not been paying attention for the last 40 fucking years.

sperm is not an embyo. NO wonder you wouldn't read the scientific article I posted, it was over your head.

If you believe that life begins when the sperm exits the penis, the liberals will throw you out of their meetings and call you brainwashed.


Just for your info:

Liberals say that Life begins at birth. Liberals believe that birth control is the only option and includes a fancy named thing they call "reproductive rights".
Thats another name for poking a metal stick through a childs head for the purpose of killing it.


Conservatives say that life begins at conception. Conservatives believe in "reproductive responsibility". That arguement varies withing the repulican tent, but one thing agreed upon by all is that abstinence is the best policy for preventing pregnancy in minors.

http://www.the-scientist.com/news/20050125/01

I hear ya pard, all them thar pointy headed collitch perfessors what thank they know so much with them fancy words and all...

Why are right wingers against stem cell research?

Because talk radio or the church told them to be against it.

If you haven't figured out why right wingers believe certain things, it's really easy. They believe that they are told to believe.

Look at the sheep in this thread posting full articles from RushLimbaugh.com.

You will not change the mind of most right wing sheep because they are just doing what they are told by their masters.

It's worth reading It's a purely scientific standpoint. It's an ethical issue, not a religious one.

FYI: Reproductive Rights is a term that denotes the right of a woman to control her own body. I agree with you though, you've convinced me.

Not only should women be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term, they shouldn't be allowed to vote, and rape shouldn't be a crime. We all know those bitches want it.

Or at least thats what you have been told to think.

no it's not. It's fucking ignorant. A cell is not a person, period.

Your kind have been told not to think, and you are doing a great job.

How do you possibly rationalize being in the porn industry and supporting the far right, who hates you and hates free speech?

Fundamentalists hate you, you love them.

Sounds like a sceince thesis right there.

that's right. Liberals are anti-science, anti-education, pro-religion, and we want to control what you read and say. That's us, all right. We're the bad guys.

Young humans??? Oh come now. If they can let Terri Shiavo die, who could move her eyes, breathe using a machine, and crap herself; then certainly they could see that harvesting potentially life saving cells from an egg and sperm in lab dish that was never destined to produce a human being is a good thing for humanity.

I do find it funny that you accuse me of not being able to think for myself and then your very next sentence includes a bad poltical seterotype.

This is Fred Perkins. Fred, meet Funforone. Shake hands.

oh wait...

Many of the liberals in the thread have been told that president Bush wants to stop stem cell research.

That simply shows how uninformed they are.

I can make this thread extremely embarassing for them, but I'm having alot of fun as it is.

I fully believe that the Government should regulate child birth as a whole. You need a license to drive, fly, or go boating, but not one for having a child?

The process for adoption is pretty complicated, and it's apparently hard to get approved.

How come any 16 year old, broke ass, no education, no father, no hope loser can bring a child into the world?


Of course, some would say that's a radical Government who would enforce such a law, but in reality, if child birth was regulated I bet crime would drop, poverty would drop, etc etc etc. Of course, then you may have the problem of the overall population of your country would shrink rather than expand.


Quantity or quality, hmm...

It's not a stereotype, it's a fair characterization. The people trying to push creationism in schools are the same people trying to ban Huck Finn are the same people telling us to 'watch what we say'.

You're a pack of witch-burners. Get out of my country.

more proof that you dont belong in this discussion

They just want people to harvest them from alternate sources, but those sources are much more difficult to harvest the best cells from. Correct me if I'm wrong.

aww I'm hurting the dumb guys feelings. Sorry dumb guy

More proof you dont belong in any political discussion