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  • Quotealex
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    • Sep 2001
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    #1

    Does a paysite needs affiliates to be huge?

    What do you think?
  • Juicy D. Links
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    • Apr 2001
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    #2
    nope......

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    • Shoplifter
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      #3
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      • alexg
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        #4
        Originally posted by Juicy D. Links
        nope......
        does it need email marketing?

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        • Dalai lama
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          • Juicy D. Links
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            • Apr 2001
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            #6
            Originally posted by alexg
            does it need email marketing?
            you just need traffic be it , tgp ,email, SEO, or whatever.....

            He who has the traffic holds the power....

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            • ytcracker
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              • alexg
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                #8
                Originally posted by Juicy D. Links
                you just need traffic be it , tgp ,email, SEO, or whatever.....

                He who has the traffic holds the power....
                so true...

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                • Manowar
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Juicy D. Links
                  nope......

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                  • SomeCreep
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Alex from Montreal
                    What do you think?
                    To big huge? No.

                    To be the hugest? Yes.

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                    • tornell
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                      #11
                      traffic = rich
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                        #12
                        No. If it focuses on its niche, customer service, and generating its own traffic, it can be big without depending on affiliates. Besides... sites that depend on affiliates to make it may be doing themselves a disservice if they rush into affiliate marketing without fully testing their own ability to convert and retain surfers.

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                        • BVF
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Juicy D. Links
                          He who has the traffic holds the power....
                          That seems to be the truth...Cause there are some SHITTY sites making beaucoup dollars because they have mega traffic. It helps motivate me to know that if I can just throw more and more shit on the wall, more and more of it will actually stick. It's just a numbers game....Content comes in a close second though.

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                          • gxer
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                            • Dec 2002
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                            #14
                            so true, the numbers must be huge though, i mean for the decent money.

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                            • Tony Montana
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                              #15
                              No affiliates x lots of signups = you are rich
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                              • Quotealex
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Juicy D. Links
                                you just need traffic be it , tgp ,email, SEO, or whatever.....

                                He who has the traffic holds the power....
                                But isn't the point of having affiliates is to bring more traffic to the paysite than the owner could ever do alone?

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                                • Ramster
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                                  • Jul 2002
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Alex from Montreal
                                  But isn't the point of having affiliates is to bring more traffic to the paysite than the owner could ever do alone?
                                  Sure affiliates are undoubtably valuable. If you have some whales ready to throw some traffic at the site and it converts and retains well you can make a lot of money. But you do not NEED affiliates to do it. Have your own traffic. Build and submit yourself. Buy spots, ect. Look at quiet for example.
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Ramster
                                    Sure affiliates are undoubtably valuable. If you have some whales ready to throw some traffic at the site and it converts and retains well you can make a lot of money. But you do not NEED affiliates to do it. Have your own traffic. Build and submit yourself. Buy spots, ect. Look at quiet for example.
                                    EXACTLY. Besides... Affiliate marketing is not a slam dunk turnkey solution. There is the following dynamic: Say you have 100 webmasters sign up to your affiliate program. Only maybe 10 of those will actually send any traffic. Only a minority of the traffic converts. And only a minority of those affiliates that stick around will send any major traffic, if any. So you spend a TON of time trying to get affiliates AND/OR build up your system's ability to convert surfers and actively recruit BIG traffic players to give your site a taste test.

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                                    • SykkBoy2
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                                      • Feb 2001
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Alex from Montreal
                                      But isn't the point of having affiliates is to bring more traffic to the paysite than the owner could ever do alone?
                                      "additional" traffic, not necessarily more than they bring in themselves....

                                      however, someone could probably sustain just fine without a regular affiliate program by simply buying tgp spots, running their own email collectors (4free type sites, free porn emails, etc.), buying their own ad words, etc.

                                      where affiliate programs can help: if the program owner isn't good with SEO, buying TGP spots, etc. it is better for them to bring affiliates who can do that and do it the right way....just because a site has bought some Hun spots and some ad words on google, it doesn't mean they know what they are doing.
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                                      • skillfull
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                                        #20
                                        quiet is the answer to that question :P
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                                        • Alex
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                                          #21
                                          It needs traffic to be huge.
                                          You can have a hundred affiliates sending 1k a day
                                          Or 5 sending 50k
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                                          • XPays
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                                            • May 2004
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                                            #22
                                            it depends on the site. a highly controversial site that can sustain high traffic via the media for example might not need affiliates to be "huge" and might actually dilute itself in the process if they did maintain an affiliate program.

                                            if we are speaking in general, then responsible affiliates can only help a site grow "huge". irresponsible affiliates can also crush them.
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                                            • istanboys
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                                              #23
                                              What are the best ways to find affiliates?

                                              I often get e-mails from webmasters asking me to join their partner program. I don't understand how they get away with e-mailing webmasters with this question. Basically this is just spamming, isn't it? It can be effective I guess.

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                                              • NaughtyRob
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                                                #24
                                                I know a guy that makes $15k + per month. No affiliates.
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                                                • XPays
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by istanboys
                                                  What are the best ways to find affiliates?
                                                  Word Of Mouth and Referrals period.
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                                                  • quiet
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by ContentProducer
                                                    I know a guy that makes $15k + per month. No affiliates.
                                                    there are people making far, far more than that without a single affiliate ;)
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                                                    • XPays
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by quiet
                                                      there are people making far, far more than that without a single affiliate ;)

                                                      any traffic trades?


                                                      a trade deal is like an affiliate deal with traffic in the place of pps/revshare?
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                                                      • latinasojourn
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by ContentProducer
                                                        I know a guy that makes $15k + per month. No affiliates.

                                                        and many a LOT more than that.

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                                                        • TheSenator
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                                                          #29
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                                                          • xclusive
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                                                            #30
                                                            of course as there are many ways to make your own traffic if you have the manpower to have hosting companies, tgps, and everything an affiliate could bring.

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                                                            • tranza
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                                                              • Jun 2003
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                                                              #31
                                                              Show me 1 huge paysite without affiliates....
                                                              I'm just a newbie.

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                                                              • NaughtyRob
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                                                                • Nov 2004
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by tranza
                                                                Show me 1 huge paysite without affiliates....
                                                                I guess it would depend on your definition of huge. What do you consider huge money?
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                                                                • Shoplifter
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                                                                  • Jan 2002
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by ContentProducer
                                                                  I know a guy that makes $15k + per month. No affiliates.
                                                                  This is hardly huge. Not even big.
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                                                                  • Quotealex
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by ContentProducer
                                                                    I know a guy that makes $15k + per month. No affiliates.
                                                                    I know affiliates that make more than

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                                                                    • Jace
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      any paysite owner that depends on affiliates to sell their site is an idiot...you should depend on yourself to sell the site first off, then maybe gather some affiliates

                                                                      the one thing I ALWAYS do with my sites, is try and make more sales than my top affiliate, if my top affiliate is making 20 sales a day, i make 21...etc...you should ALWAYS stay ahead of people selling for you, and never depend on only them

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                                                                      • Sly
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by JaceXXX
                                                                        any paysite owner that depends on affiliates to sell their site is an idiot...you should depend on yourself to sell the site first off, then maybe gather some affiliates

                                                                        the one thing I ALWAYS do with my sites, is try and make more sales than my top affiliate, if my top affiliate is making 20 sales a day, i make 21...etc...you should ALWAYS stay ahead of people selling for you, and never depend on only them
                                                                        This isn't always true, though always advisable that you don't depend on affiliates.
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                                                                        • Alex Xe

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by ContentProducer
                                                                          I know a guy that makes $15k + per month. No affiliates.
                                                                          I know people how do 100k+ without affilates
                                                                          It is small sample.

                                                                          If you have your own traffic system, it is okey do not have affiliates.

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