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This is an anonymous board where I chose to remain so. If you want to know who I am, email me, if you're really interested? If the question is truly important to you or anyone, then email me.Originally posted by Centurion
You advertise here..but you sure as heck ain't going to ANSWER any questions here eh? Why do I keep waiting for Amp to suddenly jump out and say "SUPRISE!"?Last edited by adultwpc; 07-02-2004, 09:18 PM.SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.Comment
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Several Questions you Avoided that I want to hear the answers to:
1) The same question ppl are repeatedly asking about you being in adult since 1996, with who, what did you do?
2) What position are you at the company?
3) What licences do you have to do this kind of business in the US?
And now some of mine...
4) Have you discussing with your bank exactly all the transactions you are doing and who your end customers are reguarding your merchant account?
5) How many merchant accounts do you have? Only 1?
Lots of companies have tried to do exactly what you are doing. Most are dead now.
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GFY can be brutal if you don't have your shit together.. And this idiot just keeps digging the grave deeper... It's funny really.. If someone "known" and "respected" had come in right away and given it a thumbs up everyone would have been all over it.
As someone who can't get any damn 3rd party billing because I'm Canadian, A solution like this would be a godsend. Unless I've completely misunderstood, it's like a prepaid phone card which isolates the "paysite" operator from CC regs... The whole "no chargebacks" things is just so much smoke and mirrors. The reality is that we would most likely still get slammed with refunds. Instead of being at the mercy of Visa as far as being revoked for too many charagebacks, we'd still be at the mercy of webpass. ANOTHER reason why we want to know who you are.
But jeez.. not being straight up and forthcoming with references etc. is just ridiculous... This company and thread is going in my "probably a scam" folder to be brought out whenever someone asks about them.Comment
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Yes I'm anonymous. So what? You're telling me that you are not?Originally posted by adultwpc
Coming from an anonymous person. Email me, dude? I'll answer your questions. You know where our site is. Where is yours? Because if you want to do business with us we'll need to know eventually. So why not share it with everyone? You have an interest in doing business? Is that why you post here? Or are there other reasons?
I do know where your site is. But if you want me to spend $999.99 for a Start up fee and service fees between 15% to 17.5%, you sure as hell better tell me where the you hail from before I send you the money and before I give you the name of any site.
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Crap. They changed their registration info since yesterday. Anyone else check it out yesterday and remember what the name was. David or Dave something or other???Comment
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Yep. And today, it's Mr. DuvallOriginally posted by Tempest
Crap. They changed their registration info since yesterday. Anyone else check it out yesterday and remember what the name was. David or Dave something or other???
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Alright you guys fine. I don't give a shit anymore...
My name is Chad Seltzer.
I started out with an adult site named bareskin.com which after losing the ability to process memberships with my own merchant account decided to get into content production called Bareskin (now defunct.) After which I've spent the last few years keeping up with the adult industry such as it is while working as a freelance network admin. Now I'm working with Adult WebPassCard.
Here's a reference:
Howard at ezGreen.com knows me.
There happy?
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Yes!Originally posted by adultwpc
There happy?
Thank you!
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It was Greg Duvall earlier today..........Originally posted by Tempest
Crap. They changed their registration info since yesterday. Anyone else check it out yesterday and remember what the name was. David or Dave something or other???
I have been watching this one very closely too for reasons of my own.
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Right. Not sure why I thought it was a David. The Greg name still shows up for paymentplansint.com which was registered in 2002. But it resolves/redirects to adultwebpasscard.Originally posted by Tam
It was Greg Duvall earlier today..........
I have been watching this one very closely too for reasons of my own.
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So who actually runs/owns it then?Originally posted by adultwpc
Now I'm working with Adult WebPassCard.Comment
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I think that's the question on everyone's mind.... something very strange yet very familiar with this whole scene...... just not sure what yet.Originally posted by Tempest
So who actually runs/owns it then?
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This?Originally posted by Tam
I think that's the question on everyone's mind.... something very strange yet very familiar with this whole scene...... just not sure what yet.
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Huh? LOLOriginally posted by Mike Okitch
This?
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fly by nightOriginally posted by Tam
Huh? LOL
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Originally posted by Mike Okitch
fly by night
I am not sure yet exactly...... just the skeptic in me I guess. I've grown paranoid these days with all the BS going on and things that "sound too good to be true", you know the old saying on this one.....
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Someone might want to email this guy and post his reply here?Originally posted by adultwpc
For those that are concerned about "references" or whatever else is on your mind, you can email me at [email protected] with your references so that I know you are legit and I'm not giving info to just anyone that's lurking around here for entertainment or are not serious about doing business with us.
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Thank you.Originally posted by adultwpc
Alright you guys fine. I don't give a shit anymore...
My name is Chad Seltzer.
I started out with an adult site named bareskin.com which after losing the ability to process memberships with my own merchant account decided to get into content production called Bareskin (now defunct.) After which I've spent the last few years keeping up with the adult industry such as it is while working as a freelance network admin. Now I'm working with Adult WebPassCard.
Here's a reference:
Howard at ezGreen.com knows me.
There happy?
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Originally posted by adultwpc
"That was answered earlier in the post."
so ARE YOU LICENSED OR NOT? Who is behind this organization? Are you owned by a bank? Affiliated with a bank? Or, are you located and/or doing business offshore?
"We would look at the site to determine if the request from the customer is legit."
What does that actually mean? If a site promotes 'hardcore' content, and the customer chargesback, claiming the site was not hardcore ENOUGH, how do you resolve this matter? What guidelines do you use?
"The customer is using a WebPassCard to access porn."
This will still not prevent a chargeback! The customer is basically buying some 'credits' from your company, and you pass along these credits to merchants, per the customers request. The customer can still chargeback the 'credit' purchase....If you get enough of these, your company will sink...
Which merchants do you think will pay 17.5% to come to you? Those with no other choice (probably cause the have a lot of chargeback issues to begin with)...so you will get all these merchants who are vulnerable to chargebacks, and you will get hit with all these chargebacks, and, again, sink...
I don't know, this doesn't add up to me...pitch me on this idea....tell me why I won't get fucked by using your services..
"WebPassCard underwrites their own chargebacks. A credit card was not used."
Who is behind the company, that has the resources to insure that the company won't collapse due to excessive chargeback costs? I don't understand, a customer has a MAXIMUM of 3-6 months to file a chargeback claim. What you are doing, again, is having customers purchase credits, via CC...so a CC was used at YOUR site, not the merchants....a Chargeback can still be claimed.
Sweet sweet program...
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Well as introductions go that could have gone better
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To me if I was starting a business model like this and I was going to post on this board. I would start with a introduction with some sort of resume. Thats not alot to ask go to any financial site and they have the owners or the executives and it tells about their background. Also if I wanted to gain some creditability I would approach the big players in this industry and offer this service for free. So when I went looking for $1000 from people I had something to back it up with. Look who uses us , see what they have to say. All I got from this was you had a site that didnt work out ,then you tried content that didnt work. Since then you have been freelancing. Not exactly the backgorund people are going to trust their very hard earned money to. In B2B sales its called earning the right to ask for your business.Last edited by tony286; 07-03-2004, 05:42 PM.Comment
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Originally posted by adultwpc
Alright you guys fine. I don't give a shit anymore...
My name is Chad Seltzer.
I started out with an adult site named bareskin.com which after losing the ability to process memberships with my own merchant account decided to get into content production called Bareskin (now defunct.) After which I've spent the last few years keeping up with the adult industry such as it is while working as a freelance network admin. Now I'm working with Adult WebPassCard.
Here's a reference:
Howard at ezGreen.com knows me.
There happy?
that guy passed retired in 98. he was 76 years old. are you using his info?Trump haters gonna hate. that's all they can doComment
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Originally posted by Mike Okitch
fly by night
no doubt
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Originally posted by ModelPerfect
"Start up Fee of $999.99. Includes $500 application fee, $400 Processing Fee, $99.99 International Consortium Of Internet Merchants fee, (annually renewable) and flat per-transaction service fees of 15% to 17.5%, THAT'S ALL! "
"One [domain] to start. If you wish to add another domain the cost is a one time fee of $300.00. "
-no offense, dude, but sounds pretty expensive. Are there still the Visa fees on top of all that? That's redicilous
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I'll be the first to wish you luck... but man, I believe the model is flawed because someone can charge back their "loading" of the account with you, they don't even need to "charge back" with webpasscard. Unless you've obtained a signature, WPC hasd no charge back rights with any credit cards. In my opinion, if someone is funding their WPC with a credit card, you are almost a non-entity in the consumer's eyes and you'll have just as much of a challenge with chargebacks as if they were straight up buying the membership directly from the porn site.
Finally... You can't tell me how your function is any different than that of a 3rd party biller like Paycom, IBill or CCBill except for the fact you're potentially "storing" some value for the consumer. That being the case, in my opinion, you are ultimately going to be subject to the same rules and regulations that those IPSPs are and trying to circumvent that will be perilous.
If it were this simple to get around chargeback dilemmas, merchant registration with Visa/MC, to accept American Express - all of the above mentioned companies would be doing it. I am skeptical but I wish you luck nonetheless, perhaps there is much I don't know and you'll prove me wrong.
In the interim, I'd have to assume many 3rd party billing companies will be raising the red flag for Visa's radar. If that is the case, ouch. By your own admission, you've been TMF'd so if you're an owner in any way of this business then you aren't allowed to even have a merchant account.
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I?m not the owner of Adult WebPassCard. I work for the company. Suffice to say that the owner and associated companies were never adult webmasters which should make you trust the company even more. Remember the reason webmasters are having so much trouble in this industry billing customers are the fault of the adult webmaster. 3rd party billers, and processors run the greater risk of dealing with adult webmasters, be they "fly by night", fooling customers to join, or a myriad of other unscrupulous activities. WebPassCard runs an even greater risk when dealing with the adult webmaster. Why? Because we don't hold reserves like everyone else. I think the time has come to point the mirror back at YOURSELVES!
This is not an ?attitude? this is a fact. I hope we can get past all this and start doing business.
Thanks
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If "the owner and associated companies were never adult webmasters," why is the registered owner (Greg Duvall, Inc) also the registered owner of wildteen.com, an obviously adult site (http://www.wildteen.com/main.html)?Originally posted by adultwpc
I?m not the owner of Adult WebPassCard. I work for the company. Suffice to say that the owner and associated companies were never adult webmasters which should make you trust the company even more. Remember the reason webmasters are having so much trouble in this industry billing customers are the fault of the adult webmaster. 3rd party billers, and processors run the greater risk of dealing with adult webmasters, be they "fly by night", fooling customers to join, or a myriad of other unscrupulous activities. WebPassCard runs an even greater risk when dealing with the adult webmaster. Why? Because we don't hold reserves like everyone else. I think the time has come to point the mirror back at YOURSELVES!
This is not an ?attitude? this is a fact. I hope we can get past all this and start doing business.
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Because the site was used as a test site. I used to own wildteen.com.SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.Comment
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This all just does not add up to me. Maybe I'm just tired; I'm going to bed.Originally posted by adultwpc
Because the site was used as a test site. I used to own wildteen.com.Comment
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I would appreciate if you are going to link to an adult site to link to the index.html page so as not to bypass the terms and conditions.Originally posted by ModelPerfect
If "the owner and associated companies were never adult webmasters," why is the registered owner (Greg Duvall, Inc) also the registered owner of wildteen.com, an obviously adult site (http://www.wildteen.com/main.html)?
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Who owns/runs it then.Originally posted by adultwpc
I?m not the owner of Adult WebPassCard. I work for the company.
Ever heard of Enron?Originally posted by adultwpc
owner and associated companies were never adult webmasters which should make you trust the company even more.
Well actually, the fact is that it's the SURFER that is causing so much trouble because they want the damn porn but then charge it back because either they've realized they CAN and not get peanlized for it, OR they don't want their "wife" to know etc. Yes. There are and have been scams that cause chargebacks as well, but blaming the adult webmasters for the situation is just another example of your piss poor attitude.Originally posted by adultwpc
Remember the reason webmasters are having so much trouble in this industry billing customers are the fault of the adult webmaster.
You're kidding right? You say it's "our" fault... and then ask us for some money. Get real. If you're the PR person for this company then they're already in big trouble.Originally posted by adultwpc
This is not an ?attitude? this is a fact. I hope we can get past all this and start doing business.Comment
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Originally posted by adultwpc
I would appreciate if you are going to link to an adult site to link to the index.html page so as not to bypass the terms and conditions.
This is amazing. Now lets focus in on some other shit!
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The people own/run WPC are not a secret. Look it up for yourselves just like you'd have to do with any other company. I just won't post it in this public forum. If you check it out that means you are serious.Originally posted by Tempest
Who owns/runs it then.
Ever heard of Enron?
Well actually, the fact is that it's the SURFER that is causing so much trouble because they want the damn porn but then charge it back because either they've realized they CAN and not get peanlized for it, OR they don't want their "wife" to know etc. Yes. There are and have been scams that cause chargebacks as well, but blaming the adult webmasters for the situation is just another example of your piss poor attitude.
You're kidding right? You say it's "our" fault... and then ask us for some money. Get real. If you're the PR person for this company then they're already in big trouble.
I'm sorry if it hurts the sensitivities of some webmasters to know that the reason the trouble with billing customers in this industry is because of unscrupulous webmasters. You really think this is because of the customer getting a freebee? I have no answer for that. I can only shake my head.SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.Comment
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There might be minors surfing this sight bro.Originally posted by sid375
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Shall we start a sweepstake on how long before they vanish into the ether? The 'fees' for starting up with them alone speak volumes. I'll say.....24 weeks. I'm feeling generous.
Of course the really amazing thing about this thread is that some people will join them and then will bitch very loudly when x months down the line they lose money from it. But then they are also usually the same people caught everytime a sponsor or processor goes under as they never bother to read between the lines or believe it when the writing does start to appear on the wall.
Amusing thread though.Ignorance is never bliss.
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It is an amusing and informative thread indeed.Originally posted by Tipsy
Shall we start a sweepstake on how long before they vanish into the ether? The 'fees' for starting up with them alone speak volumes. I'll say.....24 weeks. I'm feeling generous.
Of course the really amazing thing about this thread is that some people will join them and then will bitch very loudly when x months down the line they lose money from it. But then they are also usually the same people caught everytime a sponsor or processor goes under as they never bother to read between the lines or believe it when the writing does start to appear on the wall.
Amusing thread though.
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If you think the fees are high, why don't you tell me what you think would be fair? I'd like the feedback.Originally posted by adultwpc
It is an amusing and informative thread indeed.
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Shields down...
I would like to say on a personal note to my fellow webmasters?
I came to this board for the first time ever to post this announcement for Adult WebPassCard. I made the mistake of not coming here first to investigate what the protocols are. I write this to you with a bit of a broken heart. I?m hurt that because I wanted to keep a little privacy that the default response was that I had something to hide and therefore was a crook. All of us working on this project are honest guys. I wouldn?t have become involved in it if I thought there was any crookedness. What hurts me the most about all this isn?t that I didn?t get the response I thought I would, which would be a positive response to such a cool new thing for webmasters, it was the vindictive response to my desire to have privacy. Is this what we?ve become? I hear people saying things about privacy that if you don?t have something to hide why should you care about losing it? Privacy is all that people really have my friends. I understand why you want to know who is behind all this, because others have ripped you off. I just feel sad being accused that we are crooks and plan to rip people off. I also understand why there may have been other webmasters who might be thinking, ?hey this guy is being tried and convicted with no evidence? and didn?t defend me in my desire to have privacy or that I were being accused of being a scam artist.
It?s the 4th of July and I?m going to go to the beach with my girlfriend and her family to see the fireworks. I should be sleeping but this is weighing heavily on my mind. Today is Independence Day. I love my country. But I?m worried.SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.Comment
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Originally posted by MattO
Nice spam. Good luck.
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I know I didn't get it when I first came here.Originally posted by LykosSIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.Comment
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So I'd like to apologize to those I upset and/or "assumed" something about.
I'm going to have a Hod Dog with mustard and a Hamburger today and hope there's no Mad Cow in it.
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Bottom line for me is: My customers aren't going to give $50 to this unknown company to pay me $19.99 for a membership. This screams of a paypal-clone looking to profit off of all the unused balances that will be sitting under WPC's control.Comment
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Holy crap on a stick, Batman. If Idiot is the worst word someone sees on this board all day, then people aren't reading enough threadsOriginally posted by adultwpc
There might be minors surfing this sight bro.
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Something just doesn't add up here, and quite frankly, I wouldn't touch this with a 10 foot pole.
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you might want to shift some of those porn domains, doesnt look good for a processor
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We're not asking for your personal details; we want to know your professional ones. I.e. the same information you'd put on a resume to get a job. No differences. If this information is sacred to you, then you need to seek another occupation, because you're entering a field where you'll be controlling others' livelihoods. Therefore, you have a responsibility to these people, and they have the right to know with whom they're dealing. Would you give money to a completely anonymous person and company, who obviously is trying to hide who he is?Originally posted by adultwpc
Shields down...
I would like to say on a personal note to my fellow webmasters?
I came to this board for the first time ever to post this announcement for Adult WebPassCard. I made the mistake of not coming here first to investigate what the protocols are. I write this to you with a bit of a broken heart. I?m hurt that because I wanted to keep a little privacy that the default response was that I had something to hide and therefore was a crook. All of us working on this project are honest guys. I wouldn?t have become involved in it if I thought there was any crookedness. What hurts me the most about all this isn?t that I didn?t get the response I thought I would, which would be a positive response to such a cool new thing for webmasters, it was the vindictive response to my desire to have privacy. Is this what we?ve become? I hear people saying things about privacy that if you don?t have something to hide why should you care about losing it? Privacy is all that people really have my friends. I understand why you want to know who is behind all this, because others have ripped you off. I just feel sad being accused that we are crooks and plan to rip people off. I also understand why there may have been other webmasters who might be thinking, ?hey this guy is being tried and convicted with no evidence? and didn?t defend me in my desire to have privacy or that I were being accused of being a scam artist.
It?s the 4th of July and I?m going to go to the beach with my girlfriend and her family to see the fireworks. I should be sleeping but this is weighing heavily on my mind. Today is Independence Day. I love my country. But I?m worried.Comment
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