7 US Carrier Battle Groups Are Steaming Toward China.

another war maybe coming

You really think this is a message to China?? Couldn't they just them a postcard of the fleet??

There have been rumors in the past week that the Bush Administration will impose a loose shipping embargo on both Iran and North Korea after the carrier groups finish with current war games.

Doesn't the US have enough enemies at the moment?

I'd keep them around the US. Never know when they will piss someone off and need them around home.

It's great to have a US President who's too stupid to communicate with other nations.

He thinks strong arming countries is going to help. It isn't.

W really needs to watch the documentary "the fog of war". Rumsfeld does too.

Gotta love our foreign policy

Don't worry... They are needed to carry the payment from Wal-Mart to China for last month. They only accept currencies, no checks.

( so will I BTW: no more checks, 80% comes back as revoked ).

10 baskets and 9 eggs here...

Can't they just talk?.. All a show of force does is make whoever they're trying to show-up, show-up. Bah.

Doesn't lead to anything good. All it does is make smaller countries feel as if they are pressured/threatened by the US, which is the point of the show of force, but it doesn't make those people like the country imposing the show of force.

Cheers,
Matt

It's funny how you guys scream it's a lie if it's on CNN or Fox News but you read some bullshit on Asiannews.net and assume it's the end of the world.
Idiots...

I think China is the ones that have been unreasonable, and saying they will take over Taiwan by force if necessary.

Taiwan is an ally, and it wouldn't be good to just let commies steamroll them.

I will wait until it's on CNN

Just what they did during the Cuba crisis

This truly disturbs me. It disturbs me a great deal.

Except that Bush doesn't have Kennedy's brains or skills.

Hey, why bother "talking" to them to solve the problem? Just show how many guns you have and if they are too stupid to back off, carpet bomb the damn commies. Right guys?

Ugh.

i think china has a right to fight for taiwan.. hell, it is *their* country... i mean, the North was allowed to fight the South when they tried to seceed... why should China be different?

Using that logic the US would still belong to england..

Before discussing Taiwan and " will teach the chinese" and " Taiwan is our ally"... you should read abit... That Island has seen more " owners" that a whore on Sunset Blvd....

TAIWAN:

The 19th Century
That China hardly had any influence in the coastal waters around Taiwan is apparent from the two following examples: when in the 1870's Taiwanese pirates captured American, Japanese and French ships passing the island, these governments protested to Peking, but the Manchu emperor said: "Taiwan is beyond our territory."

In fact, the French go so upset by the recurring attacks on their ships and the Chinese inaction, that they sent a fleet to the island, and for nine months in 1884-85, the northern part of Taiwan was French territory.

It wasn't until 1887, that the Manchu Imperial authorities decided to declare Taiwan to be a "province" of their Empire: they wanted to outmaneuver the Japanese, who were expanding their influence to the South.

The ploy didn't work: in 1895 the Japanese defeated the Manchu's in the Sino-Japanese War, and in the Treaty of Shimonoseki, China ceded Taiwan to Japan in perpetuity (not 99 years, like Hong Kong's New Territories, but in perpetuity, i.e. forever).

An important conclusion is thus that Taiwan was an occupied part of Imperial China for only eight years. Not "always", as the KMT and the Chinese Communists are claiming.

The Taiwan Republic
The Taiwanese didn't like the idea of incorporation into Japan, and on 25 May 1895 -- with the assistance of disenchanted Manchu officials -- the Taiwan Republic, the first independent republic in Asia was established. Here is the flag of the new nation:


However, a few days later, on 29 May 1895, a Japanese military force of over 12,000 soldiers landed in Northern Taiwan, and started to crush the movement. On 21 October 1895, Japanese imperial troops entered Tainan, the southern capital of the Taiwan Republic, ending its short life.

The Japanese Period
The Japanese occupation was harsh, but at least the Japanese were not corrupt. The educational system was built up to the same level as in Japan, infrastructure, trains, roads, industry etc. were developed extensively. An excellent academic work on the Japanese period is Mr. George Kerr's work on the "Formosan Home Rule Movement."

An interesting anecdote from the 1930s needs to be mentioned here: At that time the Chinese Communists under Mao Tse-tung were vying for control over China with Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalists. In an interview with American reporter Edgar Snow, Chairman Mao said: "...we will extend them (the Koreans) our enthusiastic help in their struggle for independence. The same thing applies for Taiwan" (p. 110 in Red Star over China, by Edgar Snow).

Occupation by the Chinese Nationalists
The next major event which affected Taiwan's status was WW II: during the War, in 1943, the Allied Powers held the Cairo Conference, and on one sleepy afternoon in the hot Cairo sun, they decided to agree with Chiang Kai-shek's request that Taiwan be "returned to (Nationalist) China." This text found its way into the Cairo Declaration, but of course occurred without any presence or agreement of representatives of the Taiwanese people.

When the War actually ended in 1945, the Allied powers agreed that Chiang's troops would "temporarily occupy Taiwan, on behalf of the Allied forces." As we see, this "temporary" has become rather permanent. Initially, the Taiwanese were glad to get rid of the Japanese, but soon their joy turned into sorrow and anger: the newcomers from China turned out to be corrupt, repressive, and uncivilized.

more reading:

http://www.taiwandc.org/hst-1624.htm


PS: Yes, the French occupied part of it!

Let's all ponder that one for awhile. Ahmmm MI9 or what ever they call it - No Thanks

hahahah

Probably doesn't hurt to have the carriers that much closer to North Korea, too

Brad

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It's the cowboy way of doing things.....

Pull down your pants to see who has the biggest dick....

Funny ain't it? It's schoolyard rules, even in foreign policy.

One of Osama's pissed off ex girlfriend's called in a tip to the White House crimestoppers hotline and said he really, really likes Chop Suey.

Maybe it's time you guys pay your dues and give North Korea 5 billion like the US did and they still screwed us but no you just run your mouths like you had any idea what was going on.

It lists the Straits Times at the bottom of the article, however if you go to their site there's no mention of it.

yeah ! we need more action on TV!

http://www.cffc.navy.mil/summerpulse04.htm

Yeah the US has to be really careful .. Wouldn't want the Middle Eastern airforce/navy attacking the homeland .. Oh wait, paper gliders can't reach the US .. And most people can't swim that far.

It's just an exercise:

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-break...5143-2994r.htm

But I have to mention the US flew 150 spy missions over Korea last month.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems...7/s1145064.htm

Uh-oh. I hope they're not thinking what I'm thinking....

How many ships make up a "carrier Strike Group"? Any battleships...?

Are there any Battleships in use at all anymore? I thought the last one was shelved after Gulf War I.

I think it's upwards of 80 ships to a carrier group. And a good number of those can launch cruise missiles.

7 aircraft carriers = roughly 581 aircraft

7 carrier battle groups = about 42 ships, including 7 carriers, the rest a mix of aegis cruisers and destroyers, and a few ohp class frigates, maybe a spruance ddg or two as well.

that's about 1440 tomahawk cruise missles. plus another thousand or so air launched slam-er and jsow cruise missles.

not to mention the bombers we have stationed in guam or the 10-14 attack subs that undoubtly will be tagging along with their share of tomahawks.

I thought I read somewhere it was a lot more ships to a group than that.

As you appear to know what you're talking about, I guess I was wrong.

I am just puzzled by the statement that the Chinese feel they could take on 1 maybe 2 CSG's at present. How do you take on ships with Cruise missles... Do they mean they have enough of an anti-missle capabilty or do they mean engaging and sinking the ships themselves when they say they could "take on a CSG"? Are they just blowing smoke?

Except this Asshole Cowboy in Charge is determined to start WW3, cant seem to keep his dick in his pants

Out of your mind. After 911 should the US use military to kick ass in the areas that are planning to kill americans? Send a message - Kill Americans = BE AFRAID. If that means extreme action then so be it.

Rather here than fighting them on 5th Ave or in YOUR street.

We are IN ww3 its just not like before. Should be the same regardless of who is Pres. #1 job of government, keep the citizens secure of attacks

incredible1,if your Nose was Dynamite ....you couldnt blow your brains out

Where did you read this?

Kill Americans? What does that have to do with China?

That's why he won't be assasinated, like Kennedy was because of Cuba.

I think they are using China-Taiwan as an excuse and are gonna hit North Korea.

http://www.asianewsnet.net/template....go_name=Across

According to Kanwa Defence News, which specialises in Chinese military matters, Beijing can cope with just one CSG currently.

'But in five to 10 years, it can certainly take on seven,' said Mr Chang Hong-yi, head of Kanwa, in an interview with The Straits Times.

'China's military potential is enormous and in terms of military technology, the gap with the US is closing fast,' he added.

However, a Chinese military source who declined to be identified is more sanguine.

'Even now, China can easily take on two CSGs,' he said but conceded that there was no way it could face seven all at the same time.

What are they up to?

Another key issue for concern is the rapid evolution of Chinese rocket technology. Since global military coordination requires satellite info, Chinese rocket technology may have evolved to the point of sending hundreds of anti-spy satellites in space, knocking out the present US surveillance system.

Regardless, a full threat is decades away.

Latest news I have is that a squadron of F-117 Nighthawks is deployed in South Korea.