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  • baddog
    So Fucking Banned
    • Apr 2001
    • 107089
    #51
    Originally posted by Evil Chris
    Acting immediately after the 1st hit could have prevented the 2nd.

    It probably would have. That however, is hindsight.
    First off Chris, it is our President, so why don't you go worry about your own politicians/country

    Secondly, we did not know there was an attack until the second one hit.

    You know that a plane accidently flew into the Empire State Building years ago right? Shit happens. Should we have immediately had the USAF start shooting down every aircraft in the sky as soon as the first one hit?

    Had 747's blowing up and crashing all over the country.

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      • Face (o_0)
        So Fucking Banned
        • May 2004
        • 2617
        #52
        Originally posted by Evil Chris
        Thousands of people dying... but he didn't want to alarm a classroom of kids?

        Riiiiiiight.
        plz shhh

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          • dig420
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            • May 2001
            • 9240
            #53
            Originally posted by baddog
            First off Chris, it is our President, so why don't you go worry about your own politicians/country

            Secondly, we did not know there was an attack until the second one hit.

            You know that a plane accidently flew into the Empire State Building years ago right? Shit happens. Should we have immediately had the USAF start shooting down every aircraft in the sky as soon as the first one hit?

            Had 747's blowing up and crashing all over the country.
            Since we now have a Bush doctrine of pre-emptively attacking countries we don't like, I'd say the rest of the world has a stake in what happens in this country and what kind of leaders we elect.

            Secondly, we knew that there were other planes that weren't responding to control tower instructions, hadn't been for quite a while and didn't do jack shit about it due to a failure of leadership.

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              • Matt Frackas
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                • Jan 2002
                • 453
                #54
                to be PERFECTLY honest...the thing that I thought was interesting about that 7 minutes...

                was..

                it was WEIRD.

                I think we all agree that the he WAS informed that the nation was under attack....

                so some things came to my mind:

                1) why DIDNT someone come into remove him from harms way?
                2) its seemed to illusrate that that at the very moment - he was COMMANDER AND CHIEF...and that protocol dictated that HE HAD THE NEXT MOVE...they (his handlers) were waiting for him?
                3) we were watching a very confused president - who really didnt know what he should do next...

                Granted it was an unprecented event ...which the AVERAGE AMERICAN probably NEVER THOUGHT WOULD HAPPEN.........however I would have hoped our FBI, the CIA, The Pres, Military...etc...knew how to prevent something like this ...if not react swiftly to it. ...

                Ironically ....the only people who were able to prevent more disaster while the attack was under way was the American HEROES on the flight which crashed in Pennsylvania..
                (I still feel those guys need a National Holiday named after them)


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                  • Evil Chris
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                    • Dec 2001
                    • 13249
                    #55
                    Originally posted by baddog
                    First off Chris, it is our President, so why don't you go worry about your own politicians/country

                    Secondly, we did not know there was an attack until the second one hit.

                    You know that a plane accidently flew into the Empire State Building years ago right? Shit happens. Should we have immediately had the USAF start shooting down every aircraft in the sky as soon as the first one hit?

                    Had 747's blowing up and crashing all over the country.
                    You telling me to mind my own biz because I'm Canadian? Hell I probably know more about your political system/history than you do, Lloyd.

                    Didn't know about an attack until the 2nd? You are mis-informed, and have no idea about ATC. Airplanes of that size do not ever deviate from their flight paths. Especially in built-up areas. I think Manhattan qualifies as a built-up area.

                    Fighter jets can scramble faster than it takes you to get up from your desk for a cup of coffee.


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                      • Jimmie
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                        • Dec 2003
                        • 872
                        #56
                        no since in arguing with idiots here, there are democrats and replublicans.

                        bush was reading to school children, clinton was getting head in the oval office. bush is the devil for having to deal with the mess that clinton left behind.

                        but you can bet your ass, no democrat will admit that.
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                          • baddog
                            So Fucking Banned
                            • Apr 2001
                            • 107089
                            #57
                            Originally posted by Evil Chris
                            You telling me to mind my own biz because I'm Canadian? Hell I probably know more about your political system/history than you do, Lloyd.
                            is ignorance really bliss?

                            Okay, answer me this . . . let's just say that we knew we were under attack as soon as the first jet crashed into the WTC, and they new the second jet was going to crach onto the second tower, you think shooting down an airliner over NYC would have resulted in less death and destruction?

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                              • arial
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                                • Jul 2002
                                • 4012
                                #58
                                IMHo I didn't see anything wrong with it. He's the leader of an entire country. He had a lot on his shoulders when this was going on, all eyes were on him. 260 million people were waiting to see what he had to say and what he would do in response. That's a lot of fucking pressure for one person to handle by themself.

                                This part in the movie was biassed because Moore was putting words in his mouth. No one except him and people close around him knows what he was thinking for those 7 minutes. Have you ever gotten some really bad news and it took a few seconds/minutes to actually hit you. This could have been the same situation.

                                I'm not supporting Bush on this I'm just saying something like 9/11 is a hard thing to handle when you're the leader.

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                                  • Evil Chris
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                                    • Dec 2001
                                    • 13249
                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by baddog
                                    is ignorance really bliss?

                                    Okay, answer me this . . . let's just say that we knew we were under attack as soon as the first jet crashed into the WTC, and they new the second jet was going to crach onto the second tower, you think shooting down an airliner over NYC would have resulted in less death and destruction?
                                    The 2nd jet would likely have been shot down in a much less densely populated area, and therefore would have caused much less loss of life. Might have even landed in water.


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                                      • spanky part 2
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                                        • Oct 2003
                                        • 1981
                                        #60
                                        It's always struck me as funny that the Mayor of NYC acted more like a president than the president.

                                        Gulianni had a press conference before the president did. In 7 minutes Gulianni would have had our fucking borders sealed.

                                        I will always be in awe that they were able to get huge cranes to the wtc within a few hours.

                                        That's what a leader is supposed to do.Shit Cheney was running the fucking country, not Bush.

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                                          • baddog
                                            So Fucking Banned
                                            • Apr 2001
                                            • 107089
                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by Evil Chris
                                            The 2nd jet would likely have been shot down in a much less densely populated area, and therefore would have caused much less loss of life. Might have even landed in water.
                                            a less dense area? I forgot about Central Park, I guess a smart bomb could have guaranteed it crash into a tree somewhere

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                                              • dig420
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                                                • May 2001
                                                • 9240
                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by Jimmie
                                                no since in arguing with idiots here, there are democrats and replublicans.

                                                bush was reading to school children, clinton was getting head in the oval office. bush is the devil for having to deal with the mess that clinton left behind.

                                                but you can bet your ass, no democrat will admit that.
                                                you can bet your ass you're an idiot. Fucking Republicans always trying to blame their fuckups on Clinton.

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                                                  • baddog
                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                    • Apr 2001
                                                    • 107089
                                                    #63
                                                    and what if the they missed? What if the jet wasn't going to crash into the WTC? What if the pilot was trying to head for the water and the F-19 shot him down into the middle of Manhattan instead.

                                                    What if it happened in Canada? What would your leader have done?

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                                                      • Marcus Aurelius
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                                                        • Apr 2003
                                                        • 14809
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by Indeed

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                                                          • Matt Frackas
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                                                            • Jan 2002
                                                            • 453
                                                            #65
                                                            almost ANY place would have been better than square into the 2nd World Trade Center tower.


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                                                              • Verbal
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                                                                • Dec 2001
                                                                • 3420
                                                                #66
                                                                They should have removed him immediately ... not only for his safety, but also for the safety of the children. What could he have done in seven minutes? Guess the world will never know

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                                                                  • Mr.Fiction
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                                                                    • Feb 2002
                                                                    • 9484
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by PiTaAnGeL
                                                                    Have you noticed how much Bush has aged in 3 years??? The sad thing is that eventhough he has aged he hasnt gotten any wiser.
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                                                                      • baddog
                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                        • Apr 2001
                                                                        • 107089
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by Matt Frackas
                                                                        almost ANY place would have been better than square into the 2nd World Trade Center tower.
                                                                        almost

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                                                                          • pimplink
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                                                                            • Jun 2001
                                                                            • 9535
                                                                            #69

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                                                                              • dig420
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                                                                                • May 2001
                                                                                • 9240
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                and what if the they missed? What if the jet wasn't going to crash into the WTC? What if the pilot was trying to head for the water and the F-19 shot him down into the middle of Manhattan instead.

                                                                                What if it happened in Canada? What would your leader have done?
                                                                                what if monkeys started flying out of my ass?

                                                                                your dickhead President Bush ignored the problem until it blew up in his face, then he was incapable of dealing with it.

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                                                                                  • brand0n
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                                                                                    • Nov 2002
                                                                                    • 26983
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                    okay, humor me . . . what should he have done in those 7 minutes? What could he have done in those 7 minutes that would have made a difference?
                                                                                    its just a very slow reaction time. if i crashed my car infront of your house, would it take you 7 mins to walk outside and find out wtf just happened?
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                                                                                      • czarina
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                                                                                        • Jul 2002
                                                                                        • 10751
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        oh please!
                                                                                        The government did it, that is why he was not surprised at all.
                                                                                        They blew up the planes, then made up the story about the arabic guys, and got everybody pissed off with the camel jockies. And since most of the US population has no idea that there is a difference between Afganistan and Iraq, even though those guys were supossedly from Afganistan, they invaded Iraq...
                                                                                        Hmmm... very convenient, uh?
                                                                                        They simply made it up to get the US people to back him up in a war against Iraq.

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                                                                                          • Kingfish
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                                                                                            • Sep 2002
                                                                                            • 668
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Who knows what could have happened in those seven minutes? We will never know because frankly we had a guy that wasn?t up to the job. The Conservatives are right a lot of people would freeze up in a situation like this, but the Presidency should be a job for the best and the brightest not just anybody. I recall prior to the 2000 election whenever Bush?s lack of experience or business failures were brought up Republicans would smile and say, but he has surrounded himself by the best and the brightest advisors. I think we have all learned the hard way that this isn?t an acceptable substitute for someone that doesn't have the metal to do the job. In those 7 minutes the weight of the whole country was on Bush?s shoulders, and we found out he couldn?t carry the load.
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                                                                                              • Evil Chris
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                                                                                                • Dec 2001
                                                                                                • 13249
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                and what if the they missed? What if the jet wasn't going to crash into the WTC? What if the pilot was trying to head for the water and the F-19 shot him down into the middle of Manhattan instead.

                                                                                                What if it happened in Canada? What would your leader have done?
                                                                                                With 18 minutes between the crashes of Flight 11 and Flight 175, there was ample time take proper action against the 2nd plane well before it reaching the island of Manhattan. But confusion and lack of direction precluded this taking place.

                                                                                                During the October crisis of 1970, Prime Minister Trudeau did not hesitate to implement the war measures act in Montreal. It was swift and it was effective.


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                                                                                                  • baddog
                                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                    • Apr 2001
                                                                                                    • 107089
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Evil Chris

                                                                                                    During the October crisis of 1970, Prime Minister Trudeau did not hesitate to implement the war measures act in Montreal. It was swift and it was effective.
                                                                                                    you are a very funny guy . . . that was almost the exact same thing wasn't it?

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                                                                                                      • pxxx
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                                                                                                        • Mar 2004
                                                                                                        • 12114
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        Originally posted by Indeed

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                                                                                                          • Dagwolf
                                                                                                            President of Canada
                                                                                                            • Sep 2003
                                                                                                            • 23141
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Originally posted by boobmaster
                                                                                                            Someone please tell my why after nearly three fucking years people are suddenly all in a fuss about George Bush continuing to read to schoolkinds for seven minutes after finding out about the second plane hitting the WTC? You all act like this is new information. We already knew this on 9-11. The reason given for this was that he did not want to alarm the children and was waiting for the appropriate moment to excuse himself. I found this explanation to be perfectly acceptable at the time and nothing has changed.

                                                                                                            To suggest that he was more interested in a photo-op than in handling the situation is assinine. It was SEVEN FUCKING MUNITES, for christ's sake. Say what you want to about about Bush, but you cannot deny that he did a hell of a job in rallying the country in the dark days after 9-11. Even liberal asswipe Gerraldo Rivera said 'I'm glad he is my president' on his MSNBC talk show.


                                                                                                            Bush's response to the crisis did more damage to the U.S. economy than the attacks themselves. All we really needed to do was arm EVERY airplane passenger with a fifty-cent box knife. Add it to the price of their airplane ticket.

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                                                                                                              • Jimmie
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                                                                                                                • Dec 2003
                                                                                                                • 872
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                so Clinton has nothing to do with it, does he?

                                                                                                                if Clinton had taken care ofAl Queda the first 3-4-5 times they attacked US interests, this country would have never had to witness 9/11, PERIOD.

                                                                                                                Lets see here. 93 Al Queda tries to take down the towers, what did Clinton do? NOTHING. Al Queda bombs a US Ship overseas, what did CLINTON do? nothing.... What about the numerous times Al Queda bombed US Embassies overseas, what did CLINTON do? You guessed it, NOTHING.

                                                                                                                But your right, its all George W's fault. The part I feel bad about, is all you cry babies who will blow up this board after he is re-elected, cause his help in getting re-elected is back.

                                                                                                                Originally posted by dig420
                                                                                                                you can bet your ass you're an idiot. Fucking Republicans always trying to blame their fuckups on Clinton.
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                                                                                                                  • goBigtime
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                                                                                                                    • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                    • 7761
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by boobmaster
                                                                                                                    Someone please tell my why after nearly three fucking years people are suddenly all in a fuss about George Bush continuing to read to schoolkinds for seven minutes after finding out about the second plane hitting the WTC?.....

                                                                                                                    ...because he was already told the first plane hit the WTC, made some dumb comment, and decided to continue with his scheduled media opportunity to show how much he likes education & children.

                                                                                                                    That's why.

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                                                                                                                      • goBigtime
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                                                                                                                        • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                        • 7761
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        I dunno about you guys... but if _I_ were president, and they told me that someone flew a plane into the World Trade Center - I am going to be glued to a secure telephone line getting advice, barking orders & getting updates... REGARDLESS if I knew it was an intentional crash or not.

                                                                                                                        What I'm NOT going to do is continue on with my scheduled press event like nothing happened until someone from my staff comes in and whispers "hey uh... looks like another one crashed into the other tower, are you about finished with that book Mr President? Because we really should probably do something about this...."

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                                                                                                                          • Praguer
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                                                                                                                            #81

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                                                                                                                              • pure energy
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                                                                                                                                • Apr 2004
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                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Maybe he doesn't care at all.
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                                                                                                                                  • Napolean
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                                                                                                                                    • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                    • 4330
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    its hard enough for bush to begin to read.. naturally once he gets on a roll like he was that morning, pronouncing all them words right for the kids, he didnt want that bright moment to end.

                                                                                                                                    sure it was just a kids book, but he was making some progress that morning.
                                                                                                                                    HAH! FOUND IT FRIS

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                                                                                                                                      • Drunken Sam
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                                                                                                                                        • May 2004
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                                                                                                                                        #84
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                                                                                                                                          • Dailydiapers
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                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by boobmaster
                                                                                                                                            That's right, he must have been in on it. Hehe! I bet you also believe that the tooth ferry assinated JFK.
                                                                                                                                            I thought So! That Bitch!
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                                                                                                                                              • stocktrader23
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                                                                                                                                                • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                                • 18781
                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                                                First off Chris, it is our President, so why don't you go worry about your own politicians/country

                                                                                                                                                Secondly, we did not know there was an attack until the second one hit.

                                                                                                                                                You know that a plane accidently flew into the Empire State Building years ago right? Shit happens. Should we have immediately had the USAF start shooting down every aircraft in the sky as soon as the first one hit?

                                                                                                                                                Had 747's blowing up and crashing all over the country.
                                                                                                                                                It was known that several planes were possibly hijacked before the crash. But they leave that out as well.


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                                                                                                                                                  • Doc911
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                                                                                                                                                    #87


                                                                                                                                                    looks like he had a lot on his mind


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                                                                                                                                                      • fudpuck
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                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                                                        Sheesh, have you ever noticed how much every fucking president ages over the course of a 4 year term?
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                                                                                                                                                          • Xplicit
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                                                                                                                                                            Dumbfuck.

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                                                                                                                                                            You dont think he would figure out, that when those kids got home their parents would be watching it on TV?

                                                                                                                                                            You dont think that when those kids grow up to be adults, theyll look back and understand why the president stopped reading to them for a TERRORIST ATTACK??

                                                                                                                                                            Youre fucking retarded.

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                                                                                                                                                              • GigaRoss
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                                                                                                                                                                • Dec 2003
                                                                                                                                                                • 4357
                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                go see M. Moore's new movie,it will tell ya everything you need to know about Bush! thnx Michael!
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