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It is a suss situation, but none the less he was following the TOS and IWantU.com should have changed their TOS after paying him as it was their rules that caused the problem.
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Let me get this straight...some webmaster gets the clever idea to sent 1 click and 1 signup to Iwantu last period, which sets his payout for this period to $1.00 per click.
Then he goes and buys some traffic at $5 per k. So for every $5 worth of crap traffic he sends, he expects Iwantu to pay him $1,000? I'm surprised this is the first guy to try this. I'm not surprised that they aren't going to pay him. Per click programs (such as Lensmans) have termed people for much less.Comment
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did he send any profiles out of the 36k clicks?Comment
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i agree.... i think you should pay the russian guy and then change your conditions... what it looks like.. and correct me if i'm wrong.... you guys made this deal.. and after this guy made this much money, you guys don't want to pay.... russian guy is not at fault for your offer....Originally posted by AdultMovies.bz
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read the thread nobcheeseOriginally posted by SomeCreep
This is what every single spammer says when they get termed for spamming. "I wasnt spamming, I was sending my traffic from <legit source 1> and <legit source 2>". Usually, the situation is that 90% of their traffic was spam, and 10% was from legit sources. That is still grounds for termination.Perfect for Asian, Petite,Teen, Exotic, Bikini, Solo girl, Panty, Softcore and Cameltoe Traffic
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Wow this was a long thread to read at 3am....
Now without looking at the guy's account, let me just summarize things into how I see it, based on the info in this thread:
1) Guy finds loophole in payout scale/system
2) Guy signs up himself, or has his friend signup, to exploit this loophole (this is just the likely situation, but may not be fact if I check things out...)
3) Signup is charged back in short period of time.
Now to me, that would make his ratio for the first week be 0:1, which qualifies him for the lowest payout on the scale.
Note: This situation has made us realize we should implement further rules to prevent the possibility it happens in very legit situations. For example, someone may send his quality traffic to us for one week, convert great, and get a good payout set for next week. Then buy all the junk traffic he can find, to send our way at a high price per click. This will be taken care of ASAP so things will work more on a daily basis and prevent chances of this occurring.
However, from everything I can understand here and without speaking with Michael today about it, if that 1 signup charged back (not to mention so quickly - usually chargebacks come 1-2 months later), he has 0:1 ratio.Skype variuscr - Email varius AT gmailComment
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committing a fraudulent sign up to get access to a ppc program then flooding it with worthless traffic seems to be a nice scam. if what has been said in this thread by iwantu is true, then the russian guy IS at fault and his account should be termed. someone needs to look into the chargeback and see what the reason for it was. if it was a stolen number used for this sale, we all know who did it.Originally posted by sonofsami agree.... i think you should pay the russian guy and then change your conditions... what it looks like.. and correct me if i'm wrong.... you guys made this deal.. and after this guy made this much money, you guys don't want to pay.... russian guy is not at fault for your offer....333-765-551Comment
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looks like if you outsmart an affiliate program you get banned......
ah well, imo prove that it is a fraudulent signup, the fact that it was a chargeback doesnt prove anything, then you are in the right.Perfect for Asian, Petite,Teen, Exotic, Bikini, Solo girl, Panty, Softcore and Cameltoe Traffic
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Just made screenshots.
This week
Previous week
So... I can't see any chargebacks or refunds here... Maybe there delay... So I will wait.Comment
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Yes but on the other hand IWantU changed their story so many times it doesnt seem likely. Firstly they said he was spamming, then they took it back and used another excuse...Originally posted by bringer$8.35 High-Usage Adult Hosting: 510GB Storage + 5010GB Bandwidth + SQL + SSL + Free Domain With Whois Privacy.
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Originally posted by Nickybut the money was real money right?
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thats very true although 1:1 seems very unlikely regardless.Originally posted by AdultMovies.bz
"Restrictions on personal use
This program is intended for commercial use only, that is paying referral fees for subscriptions sold to third parties coming from a link from your sponsoring Web site to the Affiliate Pages."
good luck proving you posted the link on a valid website and a legit third party signed up on the first click. more likely the link was messaged to a friend or the affiliate themselves signed up to exploit the ppc. wheres the clicks for the last two days of the period? smells fishyLast edited by bringer; 04-27-2005, 01:08 AM.333-765-551Comment
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2 Varius:
Shit... man do you think i signed up, then rebilled, then asked for chargeback?!
Am i stupid?! WTF...
ps I already explained everything to Mike.Comment
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Just read:Originally posted by bringer
Originally posted by iwantu faqComment
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so thats the case then? you sent the link to a "third party" to signup so you could exploit the ppc program?Originally posted by Lex Bed333-765-551Comment
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Man I even don't know where this sign up came from!Originally posted by bringer
But the only thing i know is that it came.
Maybe from free profiles registered in the past from my link.
Maybe from another source.
But I know that I was not doing anything wrong.Comment
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then all you did was exploit an error. no traffic til you get $1 ppc?Originally posted by Lex Bed
that has scam written all over it. maybe you didnt do anything wrong, but i can see why they did what they did and i can see why you'd be pissed. glad im not in either of your shoes and good luck to you in your battle.
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Thanks ;)Originally posted by bringerthen all you did was exploit an error. no traffic til you get $1 ppc?
that has scam written all over it. maybe you didnt do anything wrong, but i can see why they did what they did and i can see why you'd be pissed. glad im not in either of your shoes and good luck to you in your battle.
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You hit the nail on the head, that's exactly what he didOriginally posted by Rictor
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I did, homo.Originally posted by evanmorganComment
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Finally someone making sense.Originally posted by Rictor
Ofcause they are not going to pay $35K for nothing no program would.
No matter if the signup is legit or not the guy found a loophole and tried to cash in on it. What did he think they would pay him $100K at the end of the period for nothing? Sorry to disappoint you the real world don´t work like this NO ONE would pay in a situation like this.Truth TellerComment
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Lex,
Before I head over to the airport in 10 mins (don't worry I"m not being sent to Russia to 'deal' with this situation hehe ;p), I just want to mention this:
I have no doubt your traffic is legit, it's just of a low quality (atleast so far). There is nothing wrong with that, it's what PPC is there for.
The issue is on the 1:1 ratio and apparent chargeback, with all signs there pointing to fraud.
I will be out of town, but I'm sure this situation will be resolved properly. They always have been, if they hadn't, we wouldn't have survived so well since 1996
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Yes, will see. I don't think that something should go wrongOriginally posted by VariusI'm sure this situation will be resolved properly. They always have been, if they hadn't, we wouldn't have survived so well since 1996
Have a good flight ;)
ps why you think that my traffic is low quality? I sent ~ 150 free sign ups and it's not bad. Because i had that sign up from 11 free signs i sent u in past...Last edited by Lex Bed; 04-27-2005, 01:58 AM.Comment
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I haven't personally checked your stats, just basing that on what I saw in this thread that you sent thousands of clicks with no paid signups yet....Originally posted by Lex BedYes, will see. I don't think that something should go wrong
Have a good flight ;)
ps why you think that my traffic is low quality? I sent ~ 150 free sign ups and it's not bad. Because i had that sign up from 11 free signs i sent u in past...
LIke if you have 150 free in 30-40,000 uniques, that is low to me, but depending on your traffic source/costs it might not be low for you or others
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traffic is clicked.Originally posted by VariusI haven't personally checked your stats, just basing that on what I saw in this thread that you sent thousands of clicks with no paid signups yet....
LIke if you have 150 free in 30-40,000 uniques, that is low to me, but depending on your traffic source/costs it might not be low for you or others
but i think we shouldn't fuck each others brain now.
we will talk with Michael tomorrow. :-)
Take care.Last edited by Lex Bed; 04-27-2005, 02:07 AM.Comment
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Guess it's time to pick another profession my communist friend, fraud is definitely not for you!
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sorry butOriginally posted by RichdudeGuess it's time to pick another profession my communist friend, fraud is definitely not for you!
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I don't want to put shame on guys sold me traffic.Originally posted by Jaysin
Coz iwantu support said that traffic is low quality
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would iwantu have paid the 35k if the signup wasnt "fraudulant", no, they would have found some other reason not to pay... So what a bullshit excuse, if you dont want to pay then fine dont, but dont come up with some crappy excusePerfect for Asian, Petite,Teen, Exotic, Bikini, Solo girl, Panty, Softcore and Cameltoe Traffic
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IwantU simply created a stupid payout scale... I mean... how stupid do you have to be to not see the potentiality of fraud over there...
thats newbee'ish to say the least
more than 5 ways to abuse this system further come to my mind without them knowing i'd be abusing it
just because the traffic would be productive.
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But you do not think you played dirty? By your own admission you were exploiting the situation.Originally posted by Lex BedComment
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iwantchixx - you need to lay off the crack pipe if you think this guy deserved to get paid...what a moron lolComment
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Originally posted by iwantuOriginally posted by iwantuOriginally posted by iwantuOriginally posted by iwantuJust in case you missed itOriginally posted by iwantu
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A lot of scamming webmasters in this thread, sticking up for the guy frauding / abusing a program. Term them all !- Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com
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Here's the thing: Almost anyone can, with very small traffic levels, get a 1:1 signup ratio on a given day. I have plenty of older sponsors that get occassional hits, and those programs occassionally convert. Myabe only 1 or 2 hits might have made it to the site this week, month, whatever, so my ratios look amazing.
Almost anyone can send 35k hits to a pay per click and have no signups. When you start looking at volume that large, traffic can start to get a little weak. Imagine for a minute 35k of redirect TGP skim hits. The chance these people are buyers is pretty slim, no? It gets even more slim if the traffic is generated through misleading spam, blind links, or 1x1 images... I don't know they methods used in this instance, this is all speculation on methods to generate traffic.
Shame on IwantU for having a promotion that didn't require a minimum number of signups and didn't check ratios before assigning the higher payout.
Shame on the webmasters (and his supporters) for attempting to turn shit traffic into gold by fucking iwantu over.
Greed is good - to the point where you are being obvious... why did you have to be so freaking greedy? was 2k or 3k not enough for your little scam?
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now you're sounding fishy...There's only a few traffic brokers around so say who you bought it from OR you can say what site you sent it from.Originally posted by Lex BedI don't want to put shame on guys sold me traffic.
Coz iwantu support said that traffic is low quality
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I will say this info 2 iwantu in the private icq/email conversation without any problem.Originally posted by BVFComment
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I smell bullshit on the CB part ... I just told you to tell the truth . You aiin't gonna pay 35 000 $ for 0 $ worth of signups, we all understand that . But now you are just caught up in some major bullshit.Originally posted by iwantuOriginally posted by rayadp05Comment
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Ok so you mean if I send 1 signup this week (1:1 ratio) , I'l get a buck a click next week ? If I sent 500k uniques, you will send me 500k $ ?Originally posted by iwantu
I highly doubt that ...Originally posted by rayadp05Comment
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I'm NOT saying to pay him ... I'm saying STOP BULLSHITTING .Originally posted by TipsyI'm curious how many of those saying 'pay the man' would do so if they were running the program. Nevermind, I bet I know the answer...
That said the whole idea behind it seems flawed but then just about every PPC sponsor developed a rep for doing the same else they wouldn't have stayed in business. The reason I've never used PPC and have little sympathy for those that do whoever the company is. Nobody will pay you more than your traffic's worth. It's also the reason very few companies will pay on a PPC basis these days.Originally posted by rayadp05Comment
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Originally posted by iwantu thats a lot of money to loose
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IMO a fair solution to this matter would be for the affiliate to provide iwantu.com with proof and a receipt of where the traffic came from and iwantu to pay the affiliate the cost of the traffic if sufficient proof is provided. The terms seem to be misleading.
Thats just my opinion from what I read.Comment
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