Could the Moore 9/11 film tilt the results of the US election?

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  • CDSmith
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    • May 2001
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    #1

    Could the Moore 9/11 film tilt the results of the US election?

    Some say it could.

    I haven't seen it yet (as of Monday, June 28th), but will probably give it a look-see very soon.

    From what I understand of it, of what people are saying about it, the so-called documentary basically slams GW Bush's presidency from start to, well, to the present. I can't say I like Moore all that much, I find him to be somewhat of a loud-mouthed blowhardt, annoying and abrasive, but I do appreciate his right to say straight out what a lot of people don't want to hear. (and what a lot of other people DO want to hear)

    Also from what I can gather, the movie's content is spot-on in places, but nothing more than a slanted bias propaganda piece in other places.

    In other words, it is classic Michael Moore.

    But could it affect the US election?
    It seems the right-wing side of the Amercan government thinks so, as they condemn the work and are trying to limit it's distribution. Free speech is great and is of paramount importance to us all...... that is until someone says something we absolutely hate and disagree with adamantly. Then freedom of speech sucks. I say too bad for the Republicans, because if people's minds and votes can be swayed this easily then they deserve to lose. Period.

    Does this mean I agree with Moore on all points? Hell no. Not even close. I believe that the conservative/republica party platform is the one that holds the most sense overall to my way of thinking, but whether or not Bush is the best man at the helm is another matter.

    If the present government in the USA thinks the election might be lost or won based on this or any other movie of one man's opinion, they are basically insulting the intelligence of the average American. If the people truly are "mindless sheep" who can be swayed and convinced in this way, then that just says to me that the president's support was soft to begin with.

    Lastly, this is a Michael Moore movie, take it for what it's worth. If you are going to see it hoping to find out the truth behind 9/11 I'm betting it will leave you wanting.
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  • Spunky
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    #2
    I say it would jade many people...I bet Bush is fuming and has put a hit on him

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    • benc
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      #3
      No, unless the person is a looney. There is always going to be people who vote for the sake of change. Bush benefited from that in 2000, Clinton benefited from it in 1992, and Kerry will benefit from it this year.

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      • David!
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        • Apr 2004
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        #4
        Unlikely
        Most people who will see the movie already made up their mind.
        Most people who will not see the movie already made up their mind.
        It is now up to those who don't give a shit about politics to decide who will be the next president
        .

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        • Babaganoosh
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          #5
          Absolutely. Americans are so stupid that they'll believe anything they hear.
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          • VideoJ
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            #6
            If it had been released in October, it might have had some influence if it was close. But people won't remember it in November.
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            • x-vision
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              #7
              Absolutely. Most of the American public is not informed enough to make up their own minds and uses the mass media to form an opinion.
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              • ItBurnsWhenIpee
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                #8
                Originally posted by CDSmith

                It seems the right-wing side of the Amercan government thinks so, as they condemn the work and are trying to limit it's distribution.
                I really hope you aren't referring to how Disney didn't want to distribute the project. I'm getting really sick of hearing people talk about Disney like it is government censorship. DISNEY IS NOT THE GOVERNMENT! If they don't want to be associated with something controversial, it's their right.

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                • MeniJennaCash
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                  #9
                  He'll get it on DVD before Nov
                  trust me
                  he said it best on stern
                  If the left doesn't like something, it won't go see it
                  if the right doesnt' like something, it tries not to let ANYONE see it
                  and thats a fact

                  anyone hear Michael on stern?
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                  • kane
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                    #10
                    Stern was talking this morning about the Carliele (sp?) group that Bush's dad is the head of of just bought the Lowe theatre chain and all 2000 screens they control . . . I wonder why they had a sudden interest in movies ?

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                    • MeniJennaCash
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by ItBurnsWhenIpee
                      I really hope you aren't referring to how Disney didn't want to distribute the project. I'm getting really sick of hearing people talk about Disney like it is government censorship. DISNEY IS NOT THE GOVERNMENT! If they don't want to be associated with something controversial, it's their right.
                      well Euro Disney , 23% of it is owned by a rich Saudi
                      so I can see why they wouldn't release it

                      you think Lions Gate is getting shit for releasing it?????
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                      • NBDesign
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Armed & Hammered
                        Absolutely. Americans are so stupid that they'll believe anything they hear.
                        Yep... they have been believing bush's lies for the last 3 1/2 years... I totally agree.

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                        • jimmyf
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Armed & Hammered
                          Absolutely. Americans are so stupid that they'll believe anything they hear.
                          proof's in the pudding man.

                          there's a ton of people on GFY that believe Moore
                          makes documentaries. I know if I were there mother or father I'd hide my head in shame.
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                          • Basic_man
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                            #14
                            hell yeah for sure, it will change the mind of the US peoples!
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                            • uno
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by VideoJ
                              If it had been released in October, it might have had some influence if it was close. But people won't remember it in November.
                              Ah, but what about the DVD release?
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                              • jimmyf
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by ItBurnsWhenIpee
                                I really hope you aren't referring to how Disney didn't want to distribute the project. I'm getting really sick of hearing people talk about Disney like it is government censorship. DISNEY IS NOT THE GOVERNMENT! If they don't want to be associated with something controversial, it's their right.
                                better do some research what the Rep.'s want 2 do.
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                                • sickkittens
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                                  #17
                                  I was listengin to Limbaugh on the radio today (not that I'm a Rush fan) but he was mentioning alot of inconsistancies and falicies w/ Moore's arguments and facts.

                                  Who knows what the truth is.

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                                  • uno
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by ItBurnsWhenIpee
                                    I really hope you aren't referring to how Disney didn't want to distribute the project. I'm getting really sick of hearing people talk about Disney like it is government censorship. DISNEY IS NOT THE GOVERNMENT! If they don't want to be associated with something controversial, it's their right.
                                    There have been a bunch of conservative groups lobbying to not have the movie shown. That one unitedsomethingorother.org comes to mind.
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                                    • jimmyf
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by sickkittens
                                      I was listengin to Limbaugh on the radio today (not that I'm a Rush fan) but he was mentioning alot of inconsistancies and falicies w/ Moore's arguments and facts.

                                      Who knows what the truth is.
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                                      • genomega
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by jimmyf
                                        proof's in the pudding man.

                                        there's a ton of people on GFY that believe Moore
                                        makes documentaries. I know if I were there mother or father I'd hide my head in shame.

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                                        • uno
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by NBDesign
                                          Yep... they have been believing bush's lies for the last 3 1/2 years... I totally agree.
                                          Bah. No one believed Bush before 9/11 or even liked him and approved of the job he was doing.
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                                          • benc
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                                            #22
                                            I think it sets a negative tone, the whole partisan bashing thing guised as a 'documentary' isn't a good step to common ground. Now the right is just going to do the same thing in response.
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                                            • CDSmith
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by uno
                                              Bah. No one believed Bush before 9/11 or even liked him and approved of the job he was doing.
                                              Wrong.
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                                              • KRL
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                                                #24
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                                                • StuartD
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Armed & Hammered
                                                  Absolutely. Americans are so stupid that they'll believe anything they hear.
                                                  Yup, this is what my answer would be.

                                                  It might be an insult, but people really are sheep. They'll go from devote supporters to firm haters in the span of about 2 hours from a movie... and then 2 weeks later Bin Laden will be captured and they'll forget there ever was a movie and go right back to being devote supporters again.

                                                  People tend to go by what they're being told at the time, not what they were told yesterday.

                                                  Edit: This is a generalization, obviously I don't think 100% of people truly are this way.
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                                                  • uno
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                    Wrong.
                                                    It was a bit of an exaggeration but you have to admit his numbers were really low pre-9/11.
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                                                    • Bansheelinks
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                                                      #27
                                                      It won't tilt anything. If Bush loses, and gawd help us if he doesn't, he'll lose in a close election and lose those key 15 states or so that are clearly undecided. I think Kerry will crush him in the tv debates but Bush has a lot more $$ to spend on negative ads.

                                                      The Moore film will be irrelevant and will only be preaching to the already converted.

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                                                      • NBDesign
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by uno
                                                        Bah. No one believed Bush before 9/11 or even liked him and approved of the job he was doing.
                                                        But after 9/11 things changed.... why? They all believe that we invaded Iraq for terror reasons... talk about bah... more like BULSHIT.

                                                        Bush's efforts to catch bin laden were a mear atempt to try to satisfy the american people.. he had NO intention on catching that man... His ties with the bin laden family go too deep....

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                                                        The world now associates the bin Laden name with Osama bin Laden, the prime suspect be hind the terror atrocities of Sept. 11. As President George W. Bush leads an intense international manhunt for Osama, few Americans realize that Osama's eldest brother, Salem, was one of Bush's first business partners.

                                                        Osama embraced Islamic fundamentalism and is now the world's most wanted man. "Salem went on to become a business partner of the man who is leading the hunt for his brother," the Daily Mail's Peter Allen said. "In the 1970s, he and George W. Bush were founders of the Arbusto Energy oil company in Mr. Bush's home state of Texas."

                                                        President Bush and the bin Laden family have been connected through dubious business deals since 1977, when Salem, the head of the bin Laden family business, one of the biggest construction companies in the world, invested in Bush's start-up oil company, Arbusto Energy, Inc.

                                                        James R. Bath, a friend and neighbor, was used to funnel money from Osama bin Laden's brother, Salem bin Laden, to set up George W. Bush in the oil business, according to The Wall Street Journal and other reputable sources.

                                                        Through a tangled web of Saudi multi-millionaires, Texas oilmen, and the infamous Bank of Credit and Commerce International, Bush was financially linked with the bin Laden family until Salem met an untimely end in a freak flying accident near San Antonio in 1988.
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                                                        Why the Administration felt it necessary to remove the name is not known, but it does illustrate the lengths to which President Bush will go to downplay his personal connections with the royal family of Saudi Arabia.

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                                                        • cluck
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                                                          #29
                                                          I might go see it today. He's admitted that the movie is half facts and half his own beliefs. If it's anything like his writing though, any idiot should be able to discern between the two. I'll admit I don't like alot of the stuff he says, but I'm still a big Michael Moore fan because of the facts he presents. He's also funny, even if I think he's being a blowhard
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                                                          • Biggy2
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                                                            #30
                                                            It won't tilt the results, but it will have some impact. It, in itself though, will not be the deciding factor, but a movie of this caliber, with this type of attention will definitely have some effect.

                                                            When it comes to politics, people's opinions can definitely be altered. The Republicans don't want this out, it will deal damage to them.

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                                                            • Rich
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by benc
                                                              I think it sets a negative tone, the whole partisan bashing thing guised as a 'documentary' isn't a good step to common ground. Now the right is just going to do the same thing in response.
                                                              Sets a tone? They're playing distant catchup. The right has already done the same thing with news and called it Fox. What's worse? A biased comedian up front about his editorial stance, or a 24/7 news network pretending to be "fair and balanced"?

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                                                              • nofx
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                                                                #32
                                                                I saw the movie on Friday, good stuff.

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                                                                • Rich
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  One thing this movie is definitely going to do is get people more motivated to get rid of Bush. People I know who have seen it who never talked politics before and don't pay much attention are enraged by this shit. Apparently people are swearing at the screen one minute and crying the next.

                                                                  The way I'm starting to see it is, in the 60's, we had music as the untainted art form that got people aware and motivated to be political. Now that popular music is a pathetic corporate joke, comedians and film makers are filling the void.

                                                                  Michael Moore is the Janis Joplin of the 21st century! Ok it doesn't sound like praise, but it is.

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                                                                  • pussyluver
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    I saw it and its worth seeing. Will be part of the mix cuase there are a lot of stupid people in America that take what is on the screen as fact.

                                                                    I found errors in fact as I watched and there were things I questioned. It also made me ponder some stuff.

                                                                    Will it change my mind?? I have voted a Republican ticket for as far back as I can remember. Bush as crosssed the line, so voting for him would be very hard and stupid. Kerry appears to be an idiot. That doesn't leave a ton of choices.

                                                                    Maybe they'll dig some dirt up on Kerry and he'll withdraw leaving his deligates free to vote for a Sam Nunn or Leon Panetta. I'm dreaming of course. The more probable choices will be Hillary or Gephardt or Edwards or ?? Oh fuck! A Clinton/Gephardt ticket.

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                                                                    • NBDesign
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by pussyluver
                                                                      I saw it and its worth seeing. Will be part of the mix cuase there are a lot of stupid people in America that take what is on the screen as fact.

                                                                      I found errors in fact as I watched and there were things I questioned. It also made me ponder some stuff.

                                                                      Will it change my mind?? I have voted a Republican ticket for as far back as I can remember. Bush as crosssed the line, so voting for him would be very hard and stupid. Kerry appears to be an idiot. That doesn't leave a ton of choices.

                                                                      Maybe they'll dig some dirt up on Kerry and he'll withdraw leaving his deligates free to vote for a Sam Nunn or Leon Panetta. I'm dreaming of course. The more probable choices will be Hillary or Gephardt or Edwards or ?? Oh fuck! A Clinton/Gephardt ticket.

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                                                                      • Pornwolf
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        The people that want to vote for Bush will vote for him no matter what. It will sway the folks on the fence... I dunno who would be stupid enough to be left on the fence though.
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                                                                        • MeniJennaCash
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by benc
                                                                          I think it sets a negative tone, the whole partisan bashing thing guised as a 'documentary' isn't a good step to common ground. Now the right is just going to do the same thing in response.
                                                                          what the fuck can the right say?
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                                                                          • fuelcell
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Perhaps it'll make some Republican voters decide to stay home on Election night figuring "i can't vote for this 1) evil man 2) complete idiot" but I'm not voting Democrat, either.
                                                                            Beat it. Nothing to see here.

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                                                                            • hydro
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              bush will ruin himself, not some movie. But you have to remember how easily people can be tricked into doing something. If bush "captures" osama before the election then he would probably win the election. And lets not forget about florida....

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                                                                              • TweetyBird
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                I just watched the film, and yes I believe it might have some influence on the election's results
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                                                                                • Rich
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by hydro
                                                                                  bush will ruin himself, not some movie. But you have to remember how easily people can be tricked into doing something. If bush "captures" osama before the election then he would probably win the election. And lets not forget about florida....
                                                                                  This is Bush ruining himself, a lot of people have hated him for these reasons long before the movie was made. Moore is just showing more people what they don't show on the TV news.

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                                                                                  • Rich
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by pussyluver

                                                                                    I found errors in fact as I watched
                                                                                    Can you name one for us? The right wing also says this movie is full of lies but I have yet to hear an example.

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                                                                                    • Tom_PMs
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      I've seen at least 6 interviews since the movie came out, and he says it's all fact, but it's his OPINION of what the facts mean. Glass half full? Glass half empty? Easy concept to understand.

                                                                                      If you want another opinion, check pbs.org frontline archives. There was a good piece they did shortly after we went into Iraq.
                                                                                      There were things in that piece that still dont get talked about..

                                                                                      You've read it, you can't unread it.

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                                                                                      • CDSmith
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by Tom_PM
                                                                                        I've seen at least 6 interviews since the movie came out, and he says it's all fact, but it's his OPINION of what the facts mean. Glass half full? Glass half empty? Easy concept to understand.
                                                                                        Yes, of course he is going to say his movie is all facts.... but based on the descriptions I've read from critics it is obvious that anyone with half an ounce of grey matter between their ears can see that certain parts of the movie are ridiculously bias.

                                                                                        I'm going to watch it for myself before commenting much further.
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                                                                                        • latinasojourn
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          the strongest stuff in the film is not the parts making fun of bush.

                                                                                          it is the graphic pix of children dead and maimed after our bombing runs, and pix of our GIs playing with dead iraqi soldiers and laughing.

                                                                                          the actual video of our guys breaking into a house looking for the bad guys and ending up just terrorizing the women and children.

                                                                                          the graphic footage of people burned to a crisp like a marshmellow left in a fire.

                                                                                          if you have a heart, an hour sitting through this kind of shit will turn you off pretty fast. war ain't pretty, but when you put women and children into the mix moore does make a persuasive argument. don't know where he got some of his footage, but i assume it's from our GIs' own dvcams, and it's nasty. it will put tears in your eyes and make you shift in your seat.

                                                                                          yes, IMO it will have an effect on voters.

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                                                                                          • latinasojourn
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Oct 2003
                                                                                            • 3191

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            and members of Bush administration say they have not seen the film, characterize it as fiction.

                                                                                            maybe they should see it.

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                                                                                            • latinasojourn
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Oct 2003
                                                                                              • 3191

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              and, if you are a parent, and you see moore's film, i expect that regardless of your current politics you will vote for a change...any change.

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                                                                                              • Webby
                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                                                • 14956

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                MeniJennaCash:

                                                                                                what the fuck can the right say?
                                                                                                um, ah, we let bin laden's fly cuz
                                                                                                we did biz with them
                                                                                                legit biz before
                                                                                                um
                                                                                                my boy cheney's haliburton is a GREAT company
                                                                                                thats why we gave them Iraq to rebuild
                                                                                                oh i talk to jesus, yeah so?
                                                                                                oh failed 3 corps but i learned my lesson
                                                                                                We are the right, and we dont' want fagets getting married
                                                                                                we are the right and we don't want any racy talk on the air
                                                                                                especially coming from a guy with 8 million listeners who came out again ME
                                                                                                I keep listening hard.. and I mean "listening" and have been doing this since ten days into Bush's term of office when he literally reversed his election promises in three sentences. Thought - oh shit - this guy has an agenda. Since then, during the odd coherent moment that he has spoken, it matches your message above, - just a constant replay of a broken 78 rpm record. The only slight difference is he managed to mumble a few more lies on almost a daily basis.

                                                                                                Irrespective of any political stuff - this man has no qualification to be a chicken farmer, nevermind the President of the US.

                                                                                                I seriously hope the US people elect *anyone* with some competence in future - don't matter about party politics - it has well-passed that stage.
                                                                                                XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                                                                                                • CDSmith
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                                                                                                  • May 2001
                                                                                                  • 51460

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Webby
                                                                                                  Irrespective of any political stuff - this man has no qualification to be a chicken farmer, nevermind the President of the US.
                                                                                                  Yet roughly half of your elegible voters who DID vote in the last election voted for him.


                                                                                                  Things that make you go hmmm...


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                                                                                                  • Webby
                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                                    • 14956

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    CDSmith:

                                                                                                    Yet roughly half of your elegible voters who DID vote in the last election voted for him.

                                                                                                    Things that make you go hmmm...
                                                                                                    That's the troubling bit! :-) It raises other issues as to how this kinda candidate even got anywhere near a presidential nominee and how people are motivated to support his candidacy/vote for him.

                                                                                                    There are clearly issues of money and the "club" syndrome and then a bout of propaganda that this is the "right man" to lead the US. The stakes are high, both for the US and the world and just seems a weird form of democracy that can allow this situation to arise.

                                                                                                    Each President has their "problems" and hell, it ain't easy - you can often be left with a scenario where you have to choose between one crap option or other and never make anyone happy. But this guy, least in my opinion, has surpassed all other western leaders in decades in his... gross dishonorable conduct and adolescent behavior.

                                                                                                    Let's hope anyone takes over who has some basic sense - it's far too serious to be bothering about politics, "words" and bullshit - otherwise it's not any "service" to the US people or the rest of the world.
                                                                                                    XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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