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04-23-2005, 07:18 PM

This topic was discussed briefly a while back with mixed opinions however I think it?s worthy of some additional discussion. From a program owner?s perspective I have a bit of a problem giving away access to someone who writes saying, ?I?m thinking about promoting your site but I want to see the inside first before I send any traffic to it.?

I?m not saying that I don?t give access to anyone period, I handle it on a case by case basis and the issue has nothing to do with fear of what the ?potential affiliate? may think of the members area. My problem with giving out log-ins to people is this:

If a webmaster isn?t serious enough about this business to spend $12.47 (50% of the cost of membership) to ?check out the member?s area? then they probably don?t make any money promoting sites to begin with therefore they?re not going to be sending any sales to the program.

I?m not trying to be an asshole here but Allie and I promoted sponsors for 3 years before we ever even conceived of NaughtyAllie and in those 3 years we joined every revshare site we ever promoted before sending a single click and not once did I e-mail the webmaster or program asking for a free pass to the site.

I?d like to hear some feedback from webmasters and program owners/affiliate managers.
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04-23-2005, 07:25 PM

I only join the sites that pay out $35/trial, not revshare after I become an affiliate then check out there site:-)

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04-23-2005, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by Kenny B!

I only join the sites that pay out $35/trial, not revshare after I become an affiliate then check out there site:-)

Seriously, as a program owner what's your opinion on this topic?
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04-23-2005, 07:28 PM

When you promote more than one site it ads up.
If you dont want to give me a pass and want me to promote you revshare style something is wrong ony our end.

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04-23-2005, 07:29 PM

I dont see why a program owner would have a problem with letting webmasters see what they are promoting,especially when it comes to revshare.if a sponsor has a lot of updates and content the affiliate will go the extra mile to make sales..this is all contengent upon if the site isnt filled with tons of upsells and only a months worth of updates

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04-23-2005, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by Alex

When you promote more than one site it ads up.
If you dont want to give me a pass and want me to promote you revshare style something is wrong ony our end.

Bad members area...

"Bad member's area" has absolutely nothing to do with this issue. I'll refer you to this thread in response to your comment: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=458802
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04-23-2005, 07:35 PM

Jake after thinking about this (pic below)

I would give out passes on a case by case basis n such. IE: ask em whats sites they run and so on.... do some questioning first.
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04-23-2005, 07:36 PM

Originally posted by Alex

When you promote more than one site it ads up.
If you dont want to give me a pass and want me to promote you revshare style something is wrong ony our end.

Bad members area...

I have seen the members area and rubbed a few ones out , there members area is far better than some of the crap your sending traffic to.
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04-23-2005, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by Jake

"Bad member's area" has absolutely nothing to do with this issue. I'll refer you to this thread in response to your comment: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=458802

You run one site right? So you spend all your time into making it good.
BUt when new sponsors come out with 50 BRAND NEW SITES i want to check it out for a week if i am going to promote them revshrae

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04-23-2005, 07:39 PM

there is one program that gives away passes to anyone, you just push a button and it writes you into the htaccess for all their sites...i wonder how many surfers have figured out that little trick

i won't say it here, cause god knows how many affiliate signs they will get from it just for free porn....but you all know who it is
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04-23-2005, 07:41 PM

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there is one program that gives away passes to anyone, you just push a button and it writes you into the htaccess for all their sites...i wonder how many surfers have figured out that little trick

i won't say it here, cause god knows how many affiliate signs they will get from it just for free porn....but you all know who it is

You mean the free trial membership sites?

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04-23-2005, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by TDF

I dont see why a program owner would have a problem with letting webmasters see what they are promoting,especially when it comes to revshare.if a sponsor has a lot of updates and content the affiliate will go the extra mile to make sales..this is all contengent upon if the site isnt filled with tons of upsells and only a months worth of updates

I don't have a problem with webmasters seeing what it is they are promoting. Anyone can join the site anytime they like to "see what they are promoting". Like I said, I view it as more of a "pre-qualification" than anything else. If a webmaster serioulsy has a problem with spending $12.47 (a tax deductible business expense) then I really have to ask myself does that webmaster have any traffic to send to the program to begin with. You have to assume that a webmaster who can send sales to a program isn't going to be concerned about spending a few bucks. That's the way I always did it (and still do it) whenever sending traffic to a revshare program. That's the point I'm trying to make.
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04-23-2005, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by Alex

You mean the free trial membership sites?

no, there is a sponsor program that allows any affiliate to click a button in their affiliate area and get full access to all their paysites
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04-23-2005, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by Alex

You mean the free trial membership sites?

from their affiliate area:

Want To Pick Your Own Content?
Click here for a free "full access" password to any of our exclusive content sites. (Note: You may ONLY grab and use our EXCLUSIVE content scenes. Nothing inside our video pr picture sections, ONLY our exclusive content should be taken from our members areas to be used to promote our sites) The reason we provide this service is so you can login and pick content from the members areas to use to promote us. If we feel you are abusing this service we will disable it for your account. Please only use it to go in and grab content for promotional purposes. It expires in 7 days but you can renew it any time and as often as you wish and need more content to promote us. Now get those links up and lets make some money together!
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04-23-2005, 07:48 PM

Hey Jake I understand where you're coming from. Probably alot of surfers do that trying to get a free ride.
Someone told me at internext that people call up paycom and ccbill all the time asking for refunds and telling the customer service reps that they're the webmaster of the site and they were just doing a test signup....I was like WTF???

Anyways, make them send you an email from an adult domain they own when requesting the password. That'll stop 90% of the schemers I think.....then write them a pass that's good for 24 hours so they can check things out.

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04-23-2005, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by Jake

If a webmaster isn?t serious enough about this business to spend $12.47 (50% of the cost of membership) to ?check out the member?s area? then they probably don?t make any money promoting sites to begin with therefore they?re not going to be sending any sales to the program.

I've never asked for a username/password simply because I never needed it, but I think its a reasonable request, especially if you're going to be a revshare only sponsor. Webmasters want to know if the members areas has enough content to retain and if its good quality. On the flip side, they should only need the username/password for a few minutes, so just giving out a 1 day trial should be sufficient to make their assessment.

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04-23-2005, 07:50 PM

If a webmaster isn?t serious enough about this business to spend $12.47 (50% of the cost of membership) to ?check out the member?s area? then they probably don?t make any money promoting sites to begin with therefore they?re not going to be sending any sales to the program.

Wrong. I don't buy any memberships at all and know many others that are the same way. I would have sent you guys plenty more sales if you gave me members access to grab content. I understand protecting your content but if it is someone that you know has been around for a long time and can generate sales then why not?

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04-23-2005, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by Alex

You run one site right? So you spend all your time into making it good.
BUt when new sponsors come out with 50 BRAND NEW SITES i want to check it out for a week if i am going to promote them revshrae

I can see where it would be far too cumbersome to sign-up to 50 sites before sending traffic to them. I guess that's where it becomes a "quality over quantity" issue. I prefer to send traffic to 10 good sites that I've thoroughly researched VS. 100 that I've never seen the inside.

Obviously, if you're running a TGP or something like that then you're working the "quantity angle". Given the number of sites you're pushing you're not going to have the time to thoroughly review the member's area whether you're paying for the pass or it's comp'd
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04-23-2005, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

I've never asked for a username/password simply because I never needed it, but I think its a reasonable request, especially if you're going to be a revshare only sponsor. Webmasters want to know if the members areas has enough content to retain and if its good quality. On the flip side, they should only need the username/password for a few minutes, so just giving out a 1 day trial should be sufficient to make their assessment.

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1 day cant be suffiesnt enough.
How would you know how often they will update?

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04-23-2005, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by Jake

I don't have a problem with webmasters seeing what it is they are promoting. Anyone can join the site anytime they like to "see what they are promoting". Like I said, I view it as more of a "pre-qualification" than anything else. If a webmaster serioulsy has a problem with spending $12.47 (a tax deductible business expense) then I really have to ask myself does that webmaster have any traffic to send to the program to begin with. You have to assume that a webmaster who can send sales to a program isn't going to be concerned about spending a few bucks. That's the way I always did it (and still do it) whenever sending traffic to a revshare program. That's the point I'm trying to make.

I somewhat disagree with that. I've never joined a paysite and don't really plan on paying for one even if it is a tax deductible expense because I see paysites as the product I'm promoting. I shouldn't have to pay see what I'm promoting. Granted, I've never had the need for a username/password, but I would expect it for free if I did. At least a short-term pass and definitely don't download the entire members area if I did get one. Just my 2c...

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04-23-2005, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by Jake

I don't have a problem with webmasters seeing what it is they are promoting. Anyone can join the site anytime they like to "see what they are promoting". Like I said, I view it as more of a "pre-qualification" than anything else. If a webmaster serioulsy has a problem with spending $12.47 (a tax deductible business expense) then I really have to ask myself does that webmaster have any traffic to send to the program to begin with. You have to assume that a webmaster who can send sales to a program isn't going to be concerned about spending a few bucks. That's the way I always did it (and still do it) whenever sending traffic to a revshare program. That's the point I'm trying to make.

Well Jake if I'm looking for someone new to send traffic to, I'm not just looking at you, I'm probably looking at 10 other programs as well.
The costs for that will add up for sure. Especially if they're non trial sites like your site is.

Plus for it to only cost me 12.47 I have to actually sign up to your program, which I haven't decided I want to do yet. So it really costs me like $30.

Odds are when I'm looking for someone to send traffic to, the people who are the most helpful will win out over the guy who thinks I can't afford 12.47...all other things being equal.

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04-23-2005, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by Alex

1 day cant be suffiesnt enough.
How would you know how often they will update?

You ask the paysite operator and look at the list of recent updates and look how frequently it was updated.
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04-23-2005, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by Jake

I can see where it would be far too cumbersome to sign-up to 50 sites before sending traffic to them. I guess that's where it becomes a "quality over quantity" issue. I prefer to send traffic to 10 good sites that I've thoroughly researched VS. 100 that I've never seen the inside.

Obviously, if you're running a TGP or something like that then you're working the "quantity angle". Given the number of sites you're pushing you're not going to have the time to thoroughly review the member's area whether you're paying for the pass or it's comp'd

I dont see the problem in giving someone who is proven to have sites and traffic a pass for a week or two.

Wasnt there a thread a few months ago about kman not getting a pass for triplexcash sites.

I guess he was just a stupid surfer and triplex sure got the best of him.

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04-23-2005, 07:55 PM

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04-23-2005, 07:55 PM

wrong to expect a potential affiliate to pay to check out a members area - i can tell within 2 minutes if somebody is a serious webmaster or if he's an idiot - not even sure i have a margin of error on it - it's that easy.

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04-23-2005, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by Alex

1 day cant be suffiesnt enough.
How would you know how often they will update?

Most sites that update frequently have an updates page or dates by the sets or some other sort of labeling that let's members know what's newest.

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04-23-2005, 07:56 PM

We have no issue giving out access to active webmasters who so they can grab promotional content that isn?t available in the affiliates area, giving access to review sites is not a problem either. I do make sure they are webmasters and not surfers looking for a free ride.

You do make a point that a successful webmaster should have no problem buying a $12.50 membership, but I realize most won?t want to. Personally I wouldn?t take a chance of losing a potentially good affiliate by asking them to sign up first.

We have had very few requests for access just to check the quality of the members area, but WiredGuy makes a good point that 1 day access is sufficient.

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04-23-2005, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by Lenny2

Well Jake if I'm looking for someone new to send traffic to, I'm not just looking at you, I'm probably looking at 10 other programs as well.
The costs for that will add up for sure. Especially if they're non trial sites like your site is.

Plus for it to only cost me 12.47 I have to actually sign up to your program, which I haven't decided I want to do yet. So it really costs me like $30.

Odds are when I'm looking for someone to send traffic to, the people who are the most helpful will win out over the guy who thinks I can't afford 12.47...all other things being equal.

Fair enough. How would you suggest that a program owner goes about distinguishing you from a guy who's just thrown up an adult domain and has absolutely no traffic to send to your site?
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04-23-2005, 08:01 PM

All program owners we currently work with have provided us with access
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or for references, and I'm fine with that.

Paying for it isn't really a big deal though, its just a minor hassle.
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04-23-2005, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by Jake

Fair enough. How would you suggest that a program owner goes about distinguishing you from a guy who's just thrown up an adult domain and has absolutely no traffic to send to your site?

You could look at their Alexa rankings or do a google search and look at their backlinks. If they're more than 30 days old they would have at least a dozen or so backlinks. That should be enough to see if they have traffic at the very least.

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04-23-2005, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by Alex

I dont see the problem in giving someone who is proven to have sites and traffic a pass for a week or two.

Wasnt there a thread a few months ago about kman not getting a pass for triplexcash sites.

I guess he was just a stupid surfer and triplex sure got the best of him.

I totally agree and that's why I stated in my initial post that I handle it on a "case by case basis". Of course if I "know of you" and I know you're a legitimate webmaster then I'm going to give you access to the site. However, the majority of the "webmasters" who request comp'd passes are those that I've never heard of.
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04-23-2005, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by Jake

Fair enough. How would you suggest that a program owner goes about distinguishing you from a guy who's just thrown up an adult domain and has absolutely no traffic to send to your site?

Well you could check to see if there's anything on the domain in question. You could check to see how long the domain has been registered.

I doubt there are alot of surfers out there who register adult domains just to try and get comp passes to adult sites.
And if there are....there's so few of them that it shouldn't matter.

Who cares if some guy with an elaborate scheme to get free passes burns a whole gig of your bandwidth and rubs one out?
Its worth it if in the end you net one good affiliate who sends a few joins a day isn't it?

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04-23-2005, 08:16 PM

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Wrong. I don't buy any memberships at all and know many others that are the same way. I would have sent you guys plenty more sales if you gave me members access to grab content. I understand protecting your content but if it is someone that you know has been around for a long time and can generate sales then why not?

You may want to refresh your memory on that issue. If you check your ICQ logs for 9/22/04 you'll see our conversation where not only did I give you a UN/PW for members area access but I also gave you approval to use member's area content for promotion of the site.
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04-23-2005, 08:28 PM

at Azure we give out 6 hour site passes so prospective webmasters can review the site, thats done on a case by case basis, check with invasion if you're interested in promoting an www.azurecash.com site oh and check out the newest site from azure www.sindeebelle.com
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04-23-2005, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by Jake

Fair enough. How would you suggest that a program owner goes about distinguishing you from a guy who's just thrown up an adult domain and has absolutely no traffic to send to your site?

Good point and I have never asked for membership to any site and read most of the TOS that say if I or family members joined under my name/Ip will result in a breach of contract thus no money if I promote the site.

BTW, your site retains wish you had more promo pics that were less known about.
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04-23-2005, 09:00 PM

I think that asking for a pass for like 1 day is reasonable.
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04-23-2005, 09:05 PM

I have a lot of options as to where I can send my traffic these days. If a program won't let me see their member's area, then I'm not interested in their program and I'll just move on to the next one. If the program suggests I pay for seeing their sites, which they want me to sell, I just move on. It's that simple for me.

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04-23-2005, 09:21 PM

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04-23-2005, 09:29 PM

The best idea would be just make a "viewing pass" for affiliates, They cant download a fucking thing but they can login as much as they want and view the members area as a normal customer, That way they can keep a eye on it for a few months to see if the updates are good, And it saves the sponsor money from having smart surfers signup and get a password and leech the whole members area.
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04-23-2005, 09:37 PM

whats the chance of them not being a real webmaster that wants to send traffic? 10%? is the hassle really worth it to save you that much bandwidth.

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04-23-2005, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by Lenny2

Hey Jake I understand where you're coming from. Probably alot of surfers do that trying to get a free ride.
Someone told me at internext that people call up paycom and ccbill all the time asking for refunds and telling the customer service reps that they're the webmaster of the site and they were just doing a test signup....I was like WTF???

Anyways, make them send you an email from an adult domain they own when requesting the password. That'll stop 90% of the schemers I think.....then write them a pass that's good for 24 hours so they can check things out.

Thats a good way to do it
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04-23-2005, 10:03 PM

Originally posted by Jake

If a webmaster isn?t serious enough about this business to spend $12.47 (50% of the cost of membership) to ?check out the member?s area? then they probably don?t make any money promoting sites to begin with therefore they?re not going to be sending any sales to the program.

That puts you in a dilemma, because opposite;
If a program is not serious enough to offer (invest) $12.47 "then they probably don't make any money on the traffic they recieve". Or do they hide something?
I would feel offended, if someone asked me to pay for their product before I sold it, which is a bad start. It's not about those few dollars, but about establishing partnerships based on trust.

Anyway, I think, and what I heard, is that affiliates asking for passes for promo material, is because of lack of promo (updates) at the program site. If I ran a program where everyone asked for passes, I would seriously start looking at my webmaster section.

To avoid freebies, you can just ask to see some examples of previous work. That is totally ok, and if they are really freebies then ask them to go to some newsgroups or torrent sites instead
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04-23-2005, 11:05 PM

I have never been asked by a webmaster for a temp password, but I do know of many who have joined of their own accord before signing up..

I think it is fair to request a look inside, as if you are an affiliate promoting many many sites it would add up considerably...
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04-24-2005, 12:41 AM

if you are being paid per signup, why would the webmaster care whats in the affiliate area? its up to the sponsor to make it work from there on in!
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04-24-2005, 12:47 AM

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I would give out passes on a case by case basis n such. IE: ask em whats sites they run and so on.... do some questioning first.
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04-24-2005, 01:17 AM

Originally posted by Jake

You may want to refresh your memory on that issue. If you check your ICQ logs for 9/22/04 you'll see our conversation where not only did I give you a UN/PW for members area access but I also gave you approval to use member's area content for promotion of the site.

You are correct, send me a new user/pass and I will start the traffic flowing to make up for it.

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04-24-2005, 01:47 AM

as a rule we dont give free memberships to anyone.

there have been a couple of exceptions over the years, but very few.

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#48

04-24-2005, 01:54 AM

Actually, there are to many scammers out there to just give anything away, a few years ago there were allot of people emailing webcam sites asking for passwords so they can do a review on their site.
Its not about hiding anything for me, its about scammers and liars, someone is always wanting something for free and will always feed you the biggest plate of shit to get it.

Originally posted by Dirty Dane

That puts you in a dilemma, because opposite;
If a program is not serious enough to offer (invest) $12.47 "then they probably don't make any money on the traffic they recieve". Or do they hide something?
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#49

04-24-2005, 02:15 AM

usual webmaster can buy access to site ....

also if webmaster can send me 5 or more sighn up I can do full access to pick up content for promo.

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04-24-2005, 02:18 AM

I do give/gave affiliates access to my sites, but only they sent some sales & traffic. Like you said if they dont want to spend the $3 for access it's not worth it giving it for free.

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