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  • Jace
    FBOP Class Of 2013
    • Jan 2004
    • 35562

    #1

    Why do paysite owners depend so much on affiliates...?

    I am a paysite owner and I have never understood why people open paysites and depend on all their traffic and sales from affiliates? Seems like a rather unprofitable business plan, or shall I shall...not as pofitable

    when I open my paysites I get them listed in SE's for the right keywords, I promote them myself like mad, getting links, getting tons of traffic myself...then I open them to affiliates...cause the raw sales are what matters the most in my business model....yes, I love affiliate sales, they bring in a nice amount of money a month, but raw sales are what drives my site, and what makes me the most money....the only money taken out of a raw sale is 10% for billing....with an affiliate sale there is almost 70% taken out after it is all said and done

    so, why do I hear so much about people wanting so many affiliates all the time and not wanting an SEO more? Are people just lazy and want to create the site and don't care about promoting it themselves?

    if you wanna make the most money from a paysite, hire or learn SEO and do it yourself and depend on raw sales as your main source of income, don't depend on affiliates....

    don't take this as me bashing my affiliates, I love them and they work DAMN hard to bring in a lot of money for me and my wife....but when I see an affiliate making more sales than I do, I immediately work harder myself to match that, cause if they can do it, so can I.

    this is more out of curiosity than anything.....
  • sid275
    So Fucking Banned
    • May 2004
    • 396

    #2
    LOL

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    • Doctor Dre
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Jan 2001
      • 51692

      #3
      Because if you can have great and huge affiliate, they will be in mesure to bring you about 100-200 times more signups then you could generate yourself ... making the 30 % that goes in your pocket 3000 % of what you would have made ;)

      Look at ars, you needed to generate 2-3k of signups daily to be in the top 5 webmasters ... thats a LOT of money
      Originally posted by rayadp05
      I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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      • Sly_RJ
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        • Feb 2002
        • 17042

        #4
        Here's my theory: people think running a program is easy and the traffic just comes pouring in.
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        • Nicky
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Mar 2003
          • 30071

          #5
          100 affiliates making 10 sales a week is 1000 sales more a week than if you wouldnt have them, even though you only make 30%

          You should always try and get a high amount of both own sales and affiliates sales ofcourse

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          • Sly_RJ
            Live Hard - Die Hard
            • Feb 2002
            • 17042

            #6
            Originally posted by Sly_RJ
            Here's my theory: people think running a program is easy and the traffic just comes pouring in.
            The responses in this thread already validate my theory.

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            • pxxx
              First African GFY Member
              • Mar 2004
              • 12114

              #7
              Many people have their own ways of operating their sites and still be successful. I have always believed in " Don't fix it if it is not broken."

              So if there are paysite owners depending on affiliate traffic and they are happy with where they stand, then i say leave it be. Even though doing what you suggested here would increase their monthly income. I have to say i understand where your curiousity comes from.

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              • BMI Lace
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                • Mar 2004
                • 16116

                #8
                Are you stupid?
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                • Peter Romero
                  Long time no happy ending
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 10618

                  #9
                  Jace, What sites do you have that are pouring in the joins? Tabitha's site? I don't think so.


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                  • EviLGuY
                    So Fucking Banned
                    • Apr 2003
                    • 12745

                    #10
                    Because 30% of a sale you don't really have to do ANYTHING for is better then 90% of one you have to chase with your own money / time.

                    Its doing both that makes paysites profitable.. only so much you can do inhouse.

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                    • WiredGuy
                      Pounding Googlebot
                      • Aug 2002
                      • 34515

                      #11
                      Originally posted by JaceXXX
                      so, why do I hear so much about people wanting so many affiliates all the time and not wanting an SEO more? if you wanna make the most money from a paysite, hire or learn SEO and do it yourself and depend on raw sales as your main source of income, don't depend on affiliates....
                      There's no money in SEO dammit, everyone get out of SEO!
                      WG
                      I play with Google.

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                      • GSpotShawn
                        Confirmed User
                        • Dec 2003
                        • 389

                        #12
                        What programs do you know of that rely mostly on affiliate promotion to survive? I'm not specifically asking for a program name, but give me a general flow chart of what you think those who rely on affiliates soley do in business.

                        Open a program and put out 100 hosted galleries then call it a day?
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                        • Jace
                          FBOP Class Of 2013
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 35562

                          #13
                          Originally posted by POV Porn guy
                          Jace, What sites do you have that are pouring in the joins? Tabitha's site? I don't think so.
                          that is just one of our sites, and yes the joins do come very steadily for it...enough to live off of very comfortably.

                          my other sites do pretty well too, and the affiliate traffic is nice, but nothing compared to the money made from myself doing the SEO for them

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                          • Jace
                            FBOP Class Of 2013
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 35562

                            #14
                            and just to clarify, I was just curious in all this....I have built up a nicely successful business model by learning SEO, and targetting very specific keywords that show up in the top 10 of yahoo and google, and making far more off that with my paysites than any of my affiliates have made for me

                            and yes, that extra money affiliates make is nice extra money, but even with my top affiliates they still don't beat the 100-150 joins a day I get from google and yahoo, those are golden....

                            so I guess the main thing for me would be to wonder why more people don't learn and master SEO and get that guaranteed golden money instead of (like someone else mentioned) building a site, putting up 100 hosted galleries and calling it a day...

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                            • WiredGuy
                              Pounding Googlebot
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 34515

                              #15
                              Originally posted by JaceXXX
                              so I guess the main thing for me would be to wonder why more people don't learn and master SEO and get that guaranteed golden money instead of (like someone else mentioned) building a site, putting up 100 hosted galleries and calling it a day...
                              Keep the good stuff a secret, Shhhhhhhhhhh!
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                              • Jace
                                FBOP Class Of 2013
                                • Jan 2004
                                • 35562

                                #16
                                Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                Keep the good stuff a secret, Shhhhhhhhhhh!
                                WG
                                haha, oh i agree with that......i can tell people 100 times that I depend on SE for my main income from paysites, but people never believe it or they never learn the right way to do it, so you and I should not even be close to worried (ecspecially you...haha)

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                                • tony299
                                  lurker
                                  • Aug 2002
                                  • 57021

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by JaceXXX
                                  and just to clarify, I was just curious in all this....I have built up a nicely successful business model by learning SEO, and targetting very specific keywords that show up in the top 10 of yahoo and google, and making far more off that with my paysites than any of my affiliates have made for me

                                  and yes, that extra money affiliates make is nice extra money, but even with my top affiliates they still don't beat the 100-150 joins a day I get from google and yahoo, those are golden....

                                  so I guess the main thing for me would be to wonder why more people don't learn and master SEO and get that guaranteed golden money instead of (like someone else mentioned) building a site, putting up 100 hosted galleries and calling it a day...
                                  I see a free lunch at Fogo in your future in exchange for a seo class. lol

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                                  • Pipecrew
                                    Master of Gfy.com
                                    • Feb 2002
                                    • 14888

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by JaceXXX
                                    and just to clarify, I was just curious in all this....I have built up a nicely successful business model by learning SEO, and targetting very specific keywords that show up in the top 10 of yahoo and google, and making far more off that with my paysites than any of my affiliates have made for me

                                    and yes, that extra money affiliates make is nice extra money, but even with my top affiliates they still don't beat the 100-150 joins a day I get from google and yahoo, those are golden....

                                    so I guess the main thing for me would be to wonder why more people don't learn and master SEO and get that guaranteed golden money instead of (like someone else mentioned) building a site, putting up 100 hosted galleries and calling it a day...
                                    nigga please.

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                                    • Jace
                                      FBOP Class Of 2013
                                      • Jan 2004
                                      • 35562

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by tony404
                                      I see a free lunch at Fogo in your future in exchange for a seo class. lol
                                      haha....i think wiredguy would shoot me in the foot if I showed you much...haha

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                                      • juicylinks
                                        So Fucking Banned
                                        • Apr 2001
                                        • 122992

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Pipecrew
                                        nigga please.

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                                        • WiredGuy
                                          Pounding Googlebot
                                          • Aug 2002
                                          • 34515

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by JaceXXX
                                          haha....i think wiredguy would shoot me in the foot if I showed you much...haha


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                                          • tony299
                                            lurker
                                            • Aug 2002
                                            • 57021

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by JaceXXX
                                            haha....i think wiredguy would shoot me in the foot if I showed you much...haha

                                            You ingreat after I have been begging sponsors for things to give away since you promised a raffle lol.

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                                            • Snake Doctor
                                              I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                              • Mar 2001
                                              • 13449

                                              #23
                                              I think the topic is off the mark here.
                                              Why do you assume paysite owners depend on affiliates "so much".
                                              There are lots of paysite owners out there who don't even have an affiliate program.

                                              Also, all of the "big" programs don't need affiliates at all. Sure affiliate traffic is nice because its traffic they wouldn't otherwise have, but they're doing hundreds if not thousands of joins every day on their own traffic so if all their affiliates died tomorrow in a nuclear explosion the big programs wouldn't have to fold.

                                              Now if you're referring to the noobs who buy a content CD and a $100 tour from a designer in the Phillipines and then come to the boards and beg people to promote them..........well then you're talking about noobs who won't be here in 6 months, and they're not worth talking about.

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                                              • BVF
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                                                #24
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                                                • Webby
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                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                  • 14956

                                                  #25
                                                  WiredGuy:

                                                  There's no money in SEO dammit, everyone get out of SEO!
                                                  WG
                                                  Totally agree! Everyone needs to fuck off and join linklists or something instead of cluttering up search engines!
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                                                  • WiredGuy
                                                    Pounding Googlebot
                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                    • 34515

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Webby
                                                    WiredGuy:



                                                    Totally agree! Everyone needs to fuck off and join linklists or something instead of cluttering up search engines!
                                                    I play with Google.

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                                                    • the source
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Apr 2004
                                                      • 1255

                                                      #27
                                                      and for us wee lads what is SEO?
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                                                      • Mr.Fiction
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                                                        • Feb 2002
                                                        • 9484

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by the source
                                                        and for us wee lads what is SEO?
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                                                        • sid275
                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                          • May 2004
                                                          • 396

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by the source
                                                          and for us wee lads what is SEO?

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                                                          • Jace
                                                            FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                            • Jan 2004
                                                            • 35562

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Lenny2
                                                            I think the topic is off the mark here.
                                                            Why do you assume paysite owners depend on affiliates "so much".
                                                            There are lots of paysite owners out there who don't even have an affiliate program.

                                                            Also, all of the "big" programs don't need affiliates at all. Sure affiliate traffic is nice because its traffic they wouldn't otherwise have, but they're doing hundreds if not thousands of joins every day on their own traffic so if all their affiliates died tomorrow in a nuclear explosion the big programs wouldn't have to fold.

                                                            Now if you're referring to the noobs who buy a content CD and a $100 tour from a designer in the Phillipines and then come to the boards and beg people to promote them..........well then you're talking about noobs who won't be here in 6 months, and they're not worth talking about.

                                                            I phrased it wrong, I don't think programs depend on affiliates, but it amazes me at the length some program will go for affiliates....
                                                            I could join a program right now and not have to pay for a thing and make a nice chunk of change, because everything is provided to me for free to promote them....not one start up cost at all....with this type of business model you don't make much off an affiliate after expenses...but yet I see program come here all the time and BEG for affiliates and offer them ANYTHING they want, and I just think that is obsurd...your paying them, and giving them the world? all this for around $8 a sale after your expenses....wtf?

                                                            yeah, add that $8 up 1000 times and there is a nice amount of money per day....sure, but if you learned to do what your affiliates making 1000 sales a day are doing, now THAT is money...

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                                                            • Easton
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                                                              • Sep 2002
                                                              • 9825

                                                              #31
                                                              Look at ars, you needed to generate 2-3k of signups daily to be in the top 5 webmasters
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                                                              • JulianSosa
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                                                                • Aug 2003
                                                                • 3042

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Doctor Dre
                                                                Because if you can have great and huge affiliate, they will be in mesure to bring you about 100-200 times more signups then you could generate yourself ... making the 30 % that goes in your pocket 3000 % of what you would have made ;)

                                                                Look at ars, you needed to generate 2-3k of signups daily to be in the top 5 webmasters ... thats a LOT of money

                                                                Are you saying that the top 5 webmasters at ars generate 2000 sign ups a day?

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                                                                • Abyss_Vee
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                                                                  • Sep 2003
                                                                  • 5208

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                                                  Keep the good stuff a secret, Shhhhhhhhhhh!
                                                                  WG

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                                                                  • rounders
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                                                                    • Sep 2003
                                                                    • 2931

                                                                    #34
                                                                    whats up with ars now-a-days dont they have a new plan they are puttingin effect now
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                                                                    • Doctor Dre
                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                      • Jan 2001
                                                                      • 51692

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by JulianSosa
                                                                      Are you saying that the top 5 webmasters at ars generate 2000 sign ups a day?
                                                                      2000 $ of signups ... my bad . But if you cut that with a 25 % profit margin ... thats a lot of money from 5 affiliates
                                                                      Originally posted by rayadp05
                                                                      I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                                                                      • JulianSosa
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Aug 2003
                                                                        • 3042

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Doctor Dre
                                                                        2000 $ of signups ... my bad . But if you cut that with a 25 % profit margin ... thats a lot of money from 5 affiliates
                                                                        $2k a makes a whole lot more sense

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                                                                        • Tempest
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                                                                          • May 2004
                                                                          • 10217

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by JaceXXX
                                                                          I am a paysite owner and I have never understood why people open paysites and depend on all their traffic and sales from affiliates? Seems like a rather unprofitable business plan, or shall I shall...not as pofitable

                                                                          so, why do I hear so much about people wanting so many affiliates all the time and not wanting an SEO more? Are people just lazy and want to create the site and don't care about promoting it themselves?
                                                                          Greedy sheep????

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                                                                          • xxxjay
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                                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                                            • 13482

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by Doctor Dre

                                                                            Look at ars, you needed to generate 2-3k of signups daily to be in the top 5 webmasters ... thats a LOT of money
                                                                            I doubt the numbers are that high.
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                                                                            • Shoehorn!
                                                                              Die With Your Boots On
                                                                              • Oct 2003
                                                                              • 22872

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by JaceXXX
                                                                              I am a paysite owner and I have never understood why people open paysites and depend on all their traffic and sales from affiliates? Seems like a rather unprofitable business plan, or shall I shall...not as pofitable

                                                                              when I open my paysites I get them listed in SE's for the right keywords, I promote them myself like mad, getting links, getting tons of traffic myself...then I open them to affiliates...cause the raw sales are what matters the most in my business model....yes, I love affiliate sales, they bring in a nice amount of money a month, but raw sales are what drives my site, and what makes me the most money....the only money taken out of a raw sale is 10% for billing....with an affiliate sale there is almost 70% taken out after it is all said and done

                                                                              so, why do I hear so much about people wanting so many affiliates all the time and not wanting an SEO more? Are people just lazy and want to create the site and don't care about promoting it themselves?

                                                                              if you wanna make the most money from a paysite, hire or learn SEO and do it yourself and depend on raw sales as your main source of income, don't depend on affiliates....

                                                                              don't take this as me bashing my affiliates, I love them and they work DAMN hard to bring in a lot of money for me and my wife....but when I see an affiliate making more sales than I do, I immediately work harder myself to match that, cause if they can do it, so can I.

                                                                              this is more out of curiosity than anything.....
                                                                              Laziness.

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                                                                              • bigusdickus
                                                                                Registered User
                                                                                • Jun 2004
                                                                                • 53

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Hmm.. SEO eh..? scribbling on notepad
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                                                                                • Robertf
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Feb 2004
                                                                                  • 392

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by JaceXXX
                                                                                  and just to clarify, I was just curious in all this....I have built up a nicely successful business model by learning SEO, and targetting very specific keywords that show up in the top 10 of yahoo and google, and making far more off that with my paysites than any of my affiliates have made for me

                                                                                  and yes, that extra money affiliates make is nice extra money, but even with my top affiliates they still don't beat the 100-150 joins a day I get from google and yahoo, those are golden....

                                                                                  so I guess the main thing for me would be to wonder why more people don't learn and master SEO and get that guaranteed golden money instead of (like someone else mentioned) building a site, putting up 100 hosted galleries and calling it a day...
                                                                                  Then you just as much rely on a 3th party as people that rely more on affiliates then you.

                                                                                  Google and yahoo decides one day not to put your links up anymore just because they feel like it ... what are you going to do then ?
                                                                                  ....

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                                                                                  • Theo
                                                                                    HAL 9000
                                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                                    • 34515

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                                                                    Here's my theory: people think running a program is easy and the traffic just comes pouring in.
                                                                                    thats not a theory
                                                                                    that's a reality

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                                                                                    • Robertf
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Feb 2004
                                                                                      • 392

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      BTW

                                                                                      I do agree that pay sites should do more about SEO .. it's sad to see when you build a gallery with just a few keywords and limited listing on tgp's .. that 2-3 weeks later you stand on page 1 in a search engine, with keywords special for that site .. and that site isn't even findable in the first 5 pages...
                                                                                      ....

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                                                                                      • quiet
                                                                                        we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                                                                                        • Sep 2001
                                                                                        • 25115

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                                                                        Here's my theory: people think running a program is easy and the traffic just comes pouring in.
                                                                                        bingo
                                                                                        we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                                                                                        • kak_azn
                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                          • May 2004
                                                                                          • 3055

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          What else do you do besides se to promote them?

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                                                                                          • djhits
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Aug 2003
                                                                                            • 455

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            no money in SEO ,

                                                                                            its all about gallery posting now
                                                                                            get into that an youll be rich i tell you , rich beyond your wildest dreams.


                                                                                            .................

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                                                                                            • bigdog
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                                              • 6964

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by Pipecrew
                                                                                              nigga please.
                                                                                              pipecrew always got hate in his blood

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                                                                                              • emmanuelle
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Mar 2003
                                                                                                • 3662

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                We've always relied on ourselves to generate traffic and maintain a very comfortable living. It wasnt until recently that we decided to push our program seriously. IMO having a program helps us to grow bigger without adding extra staff, and helps enhance our branding, which is very important in the niche world.
                                                                                                Last edited by emmanuelle; 06-28-2004, 04:08 AM.

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                                                                                                • brand0n
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                                                                                                  • Nov 2002
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  jace. when you get back to atl hit me up. im going to fly down and pick your brain for a month.
                                                                                                  thanks.
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