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  • MrIzzz
    If u touch it, I will cum
    • Sep 2003
    • 22923
    #1

    Avg monthly cost of paysite...

    serious answers only here


    heres the variables...

    hardcore paysite

    60% non-exclusive content

    40% exclusive

    an average amount pics and vids

    updated every two days

    cascading billing

    average design, tour, banners

    small amount of affiliates 50 - 100

    - - - - - - - - -

    with these basic vague details, what would the start up cost be, the average monthly overhead, and possible profit be?


    if you don't wish to post in here hit me up on icq 329 623 811 because i am curious


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    • Sly_RJ
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      • Feb 2002
      • 17042
      #2
      You pretty much answered your own question, just do the math.
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        • MrIzzz
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          • Sep 2003
          • 22923
          #3
          Originally posted by Sly_RJ
          You pretty much answered your own question, just do the math.
          i'm a very curious person


          i need to see what other people's opinions on this are since i came up with some numbers myself, but there are variables that i can't think of because i don't own a paysite. so, it helps me if i get a range of opinions on the matter.


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            • doober
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              • Jul 2003
              • 6984
              #4
              where are you getting the cascading billing?

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                • MrIzzz
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                  • Sep 2003
                  • 22923
                  #5
                  Originally posted by doober
                  where are you getting the cascading billing?

                  there may or maynot be cascading billing


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                    • Sly_RJ
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                      • Feb 2002
                      • 17042
                      #6
                      By the way, 50-100 total affiliates you're not going to see much traffic. Active affiliates is a different story. Getting those 50-100 affiliates to stay active is a job in itself.
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                        • Jakke PNG
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                          • Nov 2001
                          • 20306
                          #7
                          Originally posted by MrIzzz

                          small amount of affiliates 50 - 100
                          Funnily enough, this has nothing to do with the costs and unfortunately very little to do with your income.

                          As getting 100 affiliates is relatively easy, getting them to actually send traffic is another matter alltogether.
                          ..and I'm off.

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                            • Jakke PNG
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                              • Nov 2001
                              • 20306
                              #8
                              Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                              By the way, 50-100 total affiliates you're not going to see much traffic. Active affiliates is a different story. Getting those 50-100 affiliates to stay active is a job in itself.
                              You're reading my mind and typing faster than I am, evil man.
                              ..and I'm off.

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                                • MrIzzz
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                                  • Sep 2003
                                  • 22923
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                  By the way, 50-100 total affiliates you're not going to see much traffic. Active affiliates is a different story. Getting those 50-100 affiliates to stay active is a job in itself.

                                  so i've heard.

                                  people i've talked to always tell me that about 10% of their affiliates make up for 90 % of the sales

                                  i'm looking for a way around this

                                  plus, i'm not looking at making tons of money from this kind of paysite, as you can see the basic details i provided.

                                  also, since this isn't gonna be all exclusive, i'm not sure how many big named affiliates would actually promote without some sort of incentive


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                                    • Sly_RJ
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                                      • Feb 2002
                                      • 17042
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by MrIzzz
                                      so i've heard.

                                      people i've talked to always tell me that about 10% of their affiliates make up for 90 % of the sales

                                      i'm looking for a way around this

                                      plus, i'm not looking at making tons of money from this kind of paysite, as you can see the basic details i provided.

                                      also, since this isn't gonna be all exclusive, i'm not sure how many big named affiliates would actually promote without some sort of incentive
                                      I think 10% is being generous, probably something like 5%.

                                      With one site that is just another run of the mill site (and recurring), you're not going to have much affiliate luck. If you want to start a paysite, make sure you have plenty of your own traffic available. Use affiliates as supplemental traffic/sales.
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                                        • MrIzzz
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                                          • Sep 2003
                                          • 22923
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                          I think 10% is being generous, probably something like 5%.

                                          With one site that is just another run of the mill site (and recurring), you're not going to have much affiliate luck. If you want to start a paysite, make sure you have plenty of your own traffic available. Use affiliates as supplemental traffic/sales.


                                          very good point, something i have to look into is the traffic, but thats a secret no one will give out.


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                                            • Sly_RJ
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                                              • Feb 2002
                                              • 17042
                                              #12
                                              What secret are you looking for? Traffic is traffic.
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                                                • MrIzzz
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                                                  • Sep 2003
                                                  • 22923
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                                  What secret are you looking for? Traffic is traffic.

                                                  actually.....traffic sources besides just TGPs


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                                                    • Sly_RJ
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                                                      • Feb 2002
                                                      • 17042
                                                      #14
                                                      I learn of new sources each and every week. It's really pretty amazing.

                                                      Start surfing and you'll find other methods. Free sites, AVS, Yahoo Groups, link lists, etc.
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                                                        • mrthumbs
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                                                          • Apr 2002
                                                          • 11702
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                                          I think 10% is being generous, probably something like 5%.

                                                          With one site that is just another run of the mill site (and recurring), you're not going to have much affiliate luck. If you want to start a paysite, make sure you have plenty of your own traffic available. Use affiliates as supplemental traffic/sales.

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                                                            • crockett
                                                              in a van by the river
                                                              • May 2003
                                                              • 76818
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                                              I think 10% is being generous, probably something like 5%.

                                                              With one site that is just another run of the mill site (and recurring), you're not going to have much affiliate luck. If you want to start a paysite, make sure you have plenty of your own traffic available. Use affiliates as supplemental traffic/sales.
                                                              yep that's the way I see it.. unless your site is something special or you can offer more than the other programs can. You will be hard pressed to get the good affiliates that can send a lot of traffic.
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                                                                • FlyingIguana
                                                                  aspiring banker
                                                                  • Mar 2002
                                                                  • 10870
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by MrIzzz
                                                                  so i've heard.

                                                                  people i've talked to always tell me that about 10% of their affiliates make up for 90 % of the sales

                                                                  i'm looking for a way around this

                                                                  plus, i'm not looking at making tons of money from this kind of paysite, as you can see the basic details i provided.

                                                                  also, since this isn't gonna be all exclusive, i'm not sure how many big named affiliates would actually promote without some sort of incentive
                                                                  the old 80/20 rule. 80% of sales come from 20%

                                                                  its just the way shit works. need to entice the whales to send traffic

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                                                                    • MrIzzz
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                                                                      • Sep 2003
                                                                      • 22923
                                                                      #18
                                                                      ok, so far i really appreciate the info from everyone, but my main question remains unanswered.


                                                                      what would be the typical estimated overhead of this kind of paysite?


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                                                                        • Sly_RJ
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                                                                          • Feb 2002
                                                                          • 17042
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by MrIzzz
                                                                          ok, so far i really appreciate the info from everyone, but my main question remains unanswered.


                                                                          what would be the typical estimated overhead of this kind of paysite?
                                                                          If you were doing an all exclusive site, I wouldn't start with less than 8 videos and I would plan on updating weekly for 4-6 months depending on how well I wanted to take care of the site. Buying 8 exclusive hardcore videos will probably run you $12-16k upfront, an additional $6-8k monthly for updates.

                                                                          Non-exclusive is totally up to you. How much content do you want to start with? Do you want it fresh or bargain bin? Are you going to load up with feeds?
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                                                                            • MrIzzz
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                                                                              • Sep 2003
                                                                              • 22923
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                                                              If you were doing an all exclusive site, I wouldn't start with less than 8 videos and I would plan on updating weekly for 4-6 months depending on how well I wanted to take care of the site. Buying 8 exclusive hardcore videos will probably run you $12-16k upfront, an additional $6-8k monthly for updates.

                                                                              Non-exclusive is totally up to you. How much content do you want to start with? Do you want it fresh or bargain bin? Are you going to load up with feeds?


                                                                              the non-exclusive would be a mix 50/50 of bargain and fresh.

                                                                              don't know about feeds just yet.

                                                                              as the site grew, i would then move to more fresher non-exlusive and i would also put more money into the exclusive. eventually aiming at turning the site into all exclusive after enough revenue was built


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                                                                                • Sly_RJ
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                                                                                  • Feb 2002
                                                                                  • 17042
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Then why even start one? Seriously, build up the money first, then build the site.
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                                                                                    • MrIzzz
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                                                                                      • Sep 2003
                                                                                      • 22923
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                                                                      Then why even start one? Seriously, build up the money first, then build the site.

                                                                                      i hear ya. i'm actually saving money either way. i'm not really trying to rush in to building a site just yet. i have some time before i make the decision.

                                                                                      i'm really just trying to gather as much info as possible so that i can be prepared when i eventually go live if i do, and how i end up doing it i will only be able to decide then


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                                                                                        • Mutt
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                                                                                          • Sep 2002
                                                                                          • 34431
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          don't open a paysite until you can sustain it with your own traffic.

                                                                                          only exception would be a site with exclusive content that made people's jaws drop - in whatever niche you choose. not even sure that's guaranteed either.
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                                                                                            • andrej_NDC
                                                                                              Registered User
                                                                                              • May 2004
                                                                                              • 7760
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by MrIzzz
                                                                                              serious answers only here
                                                                                              heres the variables...
                                                                                              hardcore paysite
                                                                                              60% non-exclusive content
                                                                                              40% exclusive
                                                                                              an average amount pics and vids
                                                                                              updated every two days
                                                                                              cascading billing
                                                                                              average design, tour, banners
                                                                                              15 updates/month, 40% exclusive, thats 6 movies x $1500 (bulk deal) = $9000
                                                                                              9 non-exclusive movies, good quality = $500
                                                                                              cascading billing, lets say NATS = $650
                                                                                              hosting = $1000/month for a good server
                                                                                              $11150/month
                                                                                              + minimum startup costs (design $500, banners $500, 15 movies - 6 exclusive - 9 non - $9500)
                                                                                              $10500


                                                                                              so, $10 500 for start
                                                                                              and $11 150 each month
                                                                                              and with this you are making $0/month. You need traffic or affiliates, mostly both, so count few thousands (good is $5000+) for advertising each month.

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                                                                                                • V_RocKs
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                                                                                                  • Nov 2003
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                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by andrej_NDC
                                                                                                  15 updates/month, 40% exclusive, thats 6 movies x $1500 (bulk deal) = $9000
                                                                                                  9 non-exclusive movies, good quality = $500
                                                                                                  cascading billing, lets say NATS = $650
                                                                                                  hosting = $1000/month for a good server
                                                                                                  $11150/month
                                                                                                  + minimum startup costs (design $500, banners $500, 15 movies - 6 exclusive - 9 non - $9500)
                                                                                                  $10500


                                                                                                  so, $10 500 for start
                                                                                                  and $11 150 each month
                                                                                                  and with this you are making $0/month. You need traffic or affiliates, mostly both, so count few thousands (good is $5000+) for advertising each month.
                                                                                                  All of that and only 76 posts? Damn, you have got a future here!

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                                                                                                    • Scherfi
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                                                                                                      • Jun 2003
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                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by V_RocKs
                                                                                                      All of that and only 76 posts? Damn, you have got a future here!
                                                                                                      what has a postcount to do with knowledge? nothing!
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                                                                                                        • MrIzzz
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                                                                                                          • Sep 2003
                                                                                                          • 22923
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by andrej_NDC
                                                                                                          15 updates/month, 40% exclusive, thats 6 movies x $1500 (bulk deal) = $9000
                                                                                                          9 non-exclusive movies, good quality = $500
                                                                                                          cascading billing, lets say NATS = $650
                                                                                                          hosting = $1000/month for a good server
                                                                                                          $11150/month
                                                                                                          + minimum startup costs (design $500, banners $500, 15 movies - 6 exclusive - 9 non - $9500)
                                                                                                          $10500


                                                                                                          so, $10 500 for start
                                                                                                          and $11 150 each month
                                                                                                          and with this you are making $0/month. You need traffic or affiliates, mostly both, so count few thousands (good is $5000+) for advertising each month.

                                                                                                          thank you for the detail in your reply

                                                                                                          that gives me very good insight into estimated costs.

                                                                                                          as for traffic and affiliates, thats another area i'm working on at the moment, but first i needed to get a better idea of the average costs of just starting and maintaining.


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                                                                                                            • James White
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                                                                                                              • Apr 2004
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                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by andrej_NDC
                                                                                                              15 updates/month, 40% exclusive, thats 6 movies x $1500 (bulk deal) = $9000
                                                                                                              9 non-exclusive movies, good quality = $500
                                                                                                              cascading billing, lets say NATS = $650
                                                                                                              hosting = $1000/month for a good server
                                                                                                              $11150/month
                                                                                                              + minimum startup costs (design $500, banners $500, 15 movies - 6 exclusive - 9 non - $9500)
                                                                                                              $10500


                                                                                                              so, $10 500 for start
                                                                                                              and $11 150 each month
                                                                                                              and with this you are making $0/month. You need traffic or affiliates, mostly both, so count few thousands (good is $5000+) for advertising each month.
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                                                                                                                • Big Cheese
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                                                                                                                  • Jun 2004
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                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by andrej_NDC
                                                                                                                  15 updates/month, 40% exclusive, thats 6 movies x $1500 (bulk deal) = $9000
                                                                                                                  9 non-exclusive movies, good quality = $500
                                                                                                                  cascading billing, lets say NATS = $650
                                                                                                                  hosting = $1000/month for a good server
                                                                                                                  $11150/month
                                                                                                                  + minimum startup costs (design $500, banners $500, 15 movies - 6 exclusive - 9 non - $9500)
                                                                                                                  $10500


                                                                                                                  so, $10 500 for start
                                                                                                                  and $11 150 each month
                                                                                                                  and with this you are making $0/month. You need traffic or affiliates, mostly both, so count few thousands (good is $5000+) for advertising each month.
                                                                                                                  Don't forget about processing fees. $750 for 3rd party or somewhere around $2000 for your own merchant account. $2750 for both with cascading

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