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50 ruling . This thread is sponsored by Lars and topbucks ;)Originally posted by rayadp05Comment
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u beat me to it muthafucker !!!Originally posted by spunky1
Originally posted by rayadp05Comment
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I wonder if Lensman has registered
goFLIPyourself.com as I'm guessing if COPA was upheld couldn't/wouldn't it be likely that all 'FUCK' domains be deemed OBSCENE....unless they had some age verification on a 'tame' domain first to allow webmasters in to see the 'obscene' worded domain...
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I think a good warning page is OKEY..
but more and more webmasters dont have braincells enough to put up a warning page...
And that may fuck us in the ass now.
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How is it okay ? How does it stop 18- years old surfer to visit porn ? I actaully think some good laws could make this industry better ... it would make way more money if we didnt allow 18- and offer all that free porn in the fisrt placeOriginally posted by maxjohan
I think a good warning page is OKEY..
but more and more webmasters dont have braincells enough to put up a warning page...
And that may fuck us in the ass now.
Originally posted by rayadp05Comment
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I've said this before, and i'll say it again. Warning pages don't mean shit; legally or morally. They're a waste of html. The only good a warning page ever does is having one more banner filled page between the surfer and the goodies.Originally posted by maxjohan
I think a good warning page is OKEY..
but more and more webmasters dont have braincells enough to put up a warning page...
And that may fuck us in the ass now.
Think about it. Who is coming to your porn site and how did they get there? Came through a TGP? Already looking at porn. Do you think a warning page is going to stop them?
Found your site via a search engine.. well.. wouldn't they have to be looking at porn to find your site? Unless you've been targetting non-adult words in which case you deserve a kick in the face anyways.
Type-in? Well unlesss you own crayons.com and are redirecting it to some fucked up porn site, then i'm guessing the surfer already knows what's at your site, or has a pretty good idea of what to expect when he types chicksputtingmassiveobjectsintheirpussies.com into his browser.
People under the age of 18 use all of these methods to find your websites, and a warning page is nothing more than an extra click.26 + 6 = 1Comment
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LOL so the biggest question of all then is what the hell will the world's biggest TGP do?
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What really sucks about this is that Visa just decided recently that they didn't want to be in the age verification business.
COPA says we should use a credit card for age verification but VISA won't let us so we're pretty well fucked if its upheld by the court.
If it had been upheld when it was first passed we would have been ok but now AVS as we once knew it was dead.sig too bigComment
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Yea but that also means teasers for fucking commercial websites.Originally posted by sherie
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it hasn't gotten any media attention because it won't passComment
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Originally posted by chodadog
I've said this before, and i'll say it again. Warning pages don't mean shit; legally or morally. They're a waste of html. The only good a warning page ever does is having one more banner filled page between the surfer and the goodies.
Think about it. Who is coming to your porn site and how did they get there? Came through a TGP? Already looking at porn. Do you think a warning page is going to stop them?
Found your site via a search engine.. well.. wouldn't they have to be looking at porn to find your site? Unless you've been targetting non-adult words in which case you deserve a kick in the face anyways.
Type-in? Well unlesss you own crayons.com and are redirecting it to some fucked up porn site, then i'm guessing the surfer already knows what's at your site, or has a pretty good idea of what to expect when he types chicksputtingmassiveobjectsintheirpussies.com into his browser.
People under the age of 18 use all of these methods to find your websites, and a warning page is nothing more than an extra click.
all true.
the only really sensible way to protect kids and anyone else who does not want to see erotica is browser filtering. (ICRA, etc)
it is simple, international, and effective.
unfortunately most lawmakers are not saavy enough about the internet to understand this simple and effective solution.Comment
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This is just one of many reasons why it's unconstitutional.Originally posted by Lenny2
What really sucks about this is that Visa just decided recently that they didn't want to be in the age verification business.
COPA says we should use a credit card for age verification but VISA won't let us so we're pretty well fucked if its upheld by the court.
If it had been upheld when it was first passed we would have been ok but now AVS as we once knew it was dead.
It would rely on private companies appointed by the government to decide what is allowed to be published on the web and what isn't. They would be telling you that you can only show content which Visa and MC approve of.
Got fisting? Well if Visa and MC decide they won't process fisting, then it cannot exist on the web anymore if this passes.Comment
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This would definitely suck for US webmasters,
giving offshore/non-US businesses an unfair advantage.;-)!;-)!;-)!;-)!;-)!;-)!;-)!;-)!;-)!;-)!;-)Comment
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Originally posted by M_M
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giving offshore/non-US businesses an unfair advantage.
can you hear it?
listen closely...
"whoooooooooooooshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"
there goes some more cash offshore....
if not this time, it will pass eventually...or something close to it, count on that...
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There has already been a court case in the US - it was either early this year or late last year - where the warning page was challenged.Originally posted by chodadog
I've said this before, and i'll say it again. Warning pages don't mean shit; legally or morally. They're a waste of html. The only good a warning page ever does is having one more banner filled page between the surfer and the goodies.
Think about it. Who is coming to your porn site and how did they get there? Came through a TGP? Already looking at porn. Do you think a warning page is going to stop them?
Found your site via a search engine.. well.. wouldn't they have to be looking at porn to find your site? Unless you've been targetting non-adult words in which case you deserve a kick in the face anyways.
Type-in? Well unlesss you own crayons.com and are redirecting it to some fucked up porn site, then i'm guessing the surfer already knows what's at your site, or has a pretty good idea of what to expect when he types chicksputtingmassiveobjectsintheirpussies.com into his browser.
People under the age of 18 use all of these methods to find your websites, and a warning page is nothing more than an extra click.
I think that the submission was that the warning with no way of preventing access by minors or no verification of age was worthless and did nothing to protect the webmaster from prosecution.Left intentionally blank ... just like my brainComment
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Can I ask a few stupid questions about all this pls?
Well - I'm in the UK, some of my hosts are in the US, my content is from US affiliate companies.
Am I fucked?
What do I do? Take all the pics off the sites I have which show a bit of nipple? Seriously?
What about saying "fucking" and "sperm" in text on the sites? Is text under the axe aswell? What about sentences like
"She likes her cock hard and thick" - is that going to be against the law?
What about my affiliate links - which link to the hardcore stuff over at Nastydollars and all the rest? Are they illegal too?
Fuck me whats this world coming too?
Can anyone advise pls?Comment
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Although i agree that the US ( or any other government ) should not regulare internet and censor its content, id' say a law basically punishing those in the US who public free content wouldnt be bad...sure, most of them would move offshore and the rest of the world wouldn't care about this law anyway......but such a law would cause that the credit card companies basically coulnt ban porn, sicne the credit card would be required to get acces to online porn.
The US governemtn may want to eliminate online gambling but they know that they cannot eliminate porn at all....so they want to regulate it...and when they regulate it by making TGP' ying a crime, then in some way they encourage paysites or age verification services......and that's why Visa and MC wouldn't be able to ban porn.
Just some thoughts....I don't use ICQ anymore.Comment
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ah, fuck, trueOriginally posted by LegendaryLars
but the US has some new special laws that basically say we are sooo special
I don't use ICQ anymore.Comment
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good pointOriginally posted by charly
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Too many Americans buy porn on the Net
I don't use ICQ anymore.Comment
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lolOriginally posted by tony404
Go walk into a dirty book and take the plastic off the magazine and say I want to look at it first. They will throw you out on your ass lol.I don't use ICQ anymore.Comment
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Though many of us would have to find hosting providers in Canada .. which could prove to cost much more.Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
Canadian webmasters would now have the upper hand..
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Yeah just move all your shit offshore easy as that ,the goverment is to stupid to figure that out. Just like the IRS dosen't know about all the off shore bank accounts hiding money.
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You'd have to move completely offshore including yourself.
If you operate your business from the US on servers offshore in gaming you're subject to arrest currently and can only avoid it by staying in a country that has no extradition treaty with the US.
Under the Patriot Act they can nab you in foreign countries now. The FBI has 45 offices outside the US for this express purpose.
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have you ever been on one of pheer's websites?Originally posted by maxjohan
just because you have a ton of bookmarks
and yes I kinda agree with him
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regulating it in the USA will not stop minors accessing all the free porn not hosted in the USA...Comment
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To all you Asshat luvers that think the end to TGPs and free porn is a good thing. How do you get your product to market? There go the affiliate programs. This would be one more step towards total government control. Then the Governemnt forces filtering of sites like theHun. AOl is forced to apply parental controls to everyone. Yahoo deletes all the adult profiles.
I predict huge growth in mail order porn.
Oh, that's right!!! The governement delivers the mail.
Yep, the sky is falling.Comment
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Waste of time anyway. If they get this on a roll, our traffic will be filtered.Originally posted by KRL
You'd have to move completely offshore including yourself.
If you operate your business from the US on servers offshore in gaming you're subject to arrest currently and can only avoid it by staying in a country that has no extradition treaty with the US.
Under the Patriot Act they can nab you in foreign countries now. The FBI has 45 offices outside the US for this express purpose.
So you can run, but you can't hide anymore.Comment
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Use htaccess to load up an AVS join page on entry to your domains perhaps. Quick and compliant if push comes to shove..WTF are people who've built hundreds of free sites going to do?
Warning pages, to my understanding, are and always have been considered a "good faith effort" to keep out minors. While not an age verification by any means, it's something that adds to the argument that you're doing *something* to try to keep it "adult only".
While it's such a grey area, we should probably always be asking "how defensible is this?" before we put up any page.
This thing as it's written is far too broad as people have pointed out. If they rule in favor, then they'll have to make a ton of provisions..
You've read it, you can't unread it.Comment
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From what I have read previously, this law, if it is allowed by the Supreme Court, would be in effect retroactive to when it was first signed.
Everyone who has run a free site since it was first signed, years ago, would be in violation and they could arrest you anytime they want.
Almost everyone in the adult industry, and many other webmasters and business not in the adult industry, including Lensman for running GFY, would become a criminal if the Supreme Court rules for this law.Comment
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waiting for the other fucking shoe to drop. you never know with this court. after all, one of them is a porn fan
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Sponsors won't be happy if COPA pulls through, either. As someone mentioned, affiliate programs would come to a halt until their webmasters started building one page wonders with no traffic, or went through ALL of their sites and put nice little stars on all the pink.Originally posted by SykkBoy2
from a sponsor standpoint, I'm thrilled
from a submitter, webmaster point, I'm a little worried
but overall, this could lead to better conversions...
Even their large exit traffic trades would be affected because ultimately, the traffic comes from affiliates.
The first thing, IMO, that would be hit is the adult spam. It's already been regulated to a point, but if COPA goes through watch out....no more hardcore pics etc in mailers....they are the easiest to go after I think....just click the link and charge the company who owns the advertised site.
But, then again, I agree with those who say, ultimately, this will not go through....at least not at this time.
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I have to ask the question ...If american/usa based webmasters will not be allowed to produce/sell porn online without age verification.. wouldnt this mean that american/usa citizens will not be allowed to view porn without age verification/credit card?
How much online porn do the USA consumers consume? Do you think that all other countries will be able to support it's industry withouth the USA consumers?Last edited by C_U_Next_Tuesday; 06-26-2004, 01:21 PM.Comment
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I think sites like google have an "out".Originally posted by KRL
LOL so the biggest question of all then is what the hell will the world's biggest TGP do?
http://images.google.com/images?q=po...ff&sa=N&tab=wi
For purposes of subsection (a), a person shall not be considered to make any communication for commercial purposes to the extent that such person is--
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Does anyone know what constitutes a digital signature? i.e.
It is an affirmative defense to prosecution under this section that the defendant, in good faith, has restricted access by minors to material that is harmful to minors--
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That's hilarious. I never thought of typing "porn" into Google's image search (but maybe I'm the only person who never thought of it).Originally posted by KRL
LOL so the biggest question of all then is what the hell will the world's biggest TGP do?
http://images.google.com/images?q=po...ff&sa=N&tab=wi
The answer to your question is that COPA contains an exception for directories. That exception may be big enough to cover link sites, too -- but what are they going to link to?
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now would be a great time to invest in offshore hosting companies if you're speculativeOriginally posted by sherie
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So a text tgp with no actual images on the site.. can link to pages with images or movies and be ok? Since a tgp is a database or directory of links?Comment
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Do you know what bugs me? Once again the gov't is putting the responsiblity of the webmaster/sponsors etc. to keep children out of adult orientated websites.
One question: When is someone going to have the balls to stand up and tell all those whining parents who complain that their kids are viewing porn on the Internet to MONITOR their childrens activities.
Parents use the Internet as a babysitter. They buy little Frankie a computer, put it in his room and are pleased as punch when little Frankie only emerges from his room to go to the bathroom and grab something to eat. They don't monitor what websites he goes to and if by chance they find out that Frankie stole their credit card and used it to join a porn site...they flip out! They blame the porn industry for not keeping their child out. Well, it is THEIR fault. If they were to take the damn computer OUT of the bedroom at put it in the family room and walk over to the computer once in a while and actually CHECK what they are up to then there wouldn't be the problem.Comment
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I completely agree. You're responsible for your kid's when they are playing outside or whatever. And so are you when they are on the internet. Buy a child proof browser = problem solved.Originally posted by wyldblyss
Do you know what bugs me? Once again the gov't is putting the responsiblity of the webmaster/sponsors etc. to keep children out of adult orientated websites.
One question: When is someone going to have the balls to stand up and tell all those whining parents who complain that their kids are viewing porn on the Internet to MONITOR their childrens activities.
Parents use the Internet as a babysitter. They buy little Frankie a computer, put it in his room and are pleased as punch when little Frankie only emerges from his room to go to the bathroom and grab something to eat. They don't monitor what websites he goes to and if by chance they find out that Frankie stole their credit card and used it to join a porn site...they flip out! They blame the porn industry for not keeping their child out. Well, it is THEIR fault. If they were to take the damn computer OUT of the bedroom at put it in the family room and walk over to the computer once in a while and actually CHECK what they are up to then there wouldn't be the problem.
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This is a very scary scenerio for a lot of people. I guess the only thing we can do is sit and wait. If it goes through, I know my first reaction won't be to give up...It'll be to get everything compliant.
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I'm allready prepared lol, I can move everything to a datacenter in The Netherlands next monday if I have too. Then I will just wait and see what happens. I actually hope a new TGP style will be born with non-nude/censored pictures. That would be great for conversions. However I think everybody is going to move his shit outside the US. Maybe we will see a new type of AVS, who knows. Just don't give up.Originally posted by shermsshack
This is a very scary scenerio for a lot of people. I guess the only thing we can do is sit and wait. If it goes through, I know my first reaction won't be to give up...It'll be to get everything compliant.
Could get really bad for US hosting companies... Thumb TGP's and galleries burn a shitload of BW.Last edited by Fabuleux; 06-26-2004, 06:07 PM.Comment
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I am surprised about how few webmasters understand this law. First off if the law is upheld it wouldn?t simply require censored tours. In order for the court to create a law that tours are censored they would have to rewrite the entire statute, which isn?t going to happen. The law as it is written requires much more than censored tours.
In order to be legal your paysite tour would have to be censored to such a degree that it would be incapable of titillating a 12 -13 year old boy. The standard is based upon the prurient interests of a minor not an adult (unlike the obscenity standard which is based on an adult). In other words if the material taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value for minors (not adults) it is out of bounds. When I was 12-13 years old National Geographic and the ladies underwear section of the Sears catalog met that definition. Furthermore pay particular attention toHere is some of the actual text:
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(6) Material that is harmful to minors
The term ''material that is harmful to minors'' means any
communication, picture, image, graphic image file, article,
recording, writing, or other matter of any kind that is obscene
or that -
(A) the average person, applying contemporary community
standards, would find, taking the material as a whole and with
respect to minors, is designed to appeal to, or is designed to
pander to, the prurient interest;
(B) depicts, describes, or represents, in a manner patently
offensive with respect to minors, an actual or simulated sexual
act or sexual contact, an actual or simulated normal or
perverted sexual act, or a lewd exhibition of the genitals or
post-pubescent female breast; and
(C) taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic,
political, or scientific value for minors.
(7) Minor
The term ''minor'' means any person under 17 years old
Note the inclusion of the term writing. How would you describe what is inside your members area with out running afoul of the law? Furthermore, the law goes far beyond just porn sites many mainstream sites would be impacted. For example if you run a chat or a BBS and allow people to post things you could be liable if even 1% or less of your content dealt with a sexual topic. For example a movie review site could be liable for discussing what type of sex scenes are in an R rated or even PG-13 rated movie. Simply showing a clip on your website from a PG-13 movie that shows a bare female breast would put you on the wrong side of the law.means any
communication, picture, image, graphic image file, article,
recording, writing, or other matter of any kind that is obscene
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What would this mean for non-US bizz people that travel to the States? They are not allowed to arrest us for not complying to that law right?
I think the whole law is stupid btw. It will be good for Europe, but we always follow the US a lot, and this might be the beginning of the end. They are already banning online dialers everywhere
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and starting this thread....
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Looks to me like they are trying to go the absolute worst route for preventing minors from accessing adult material?
What happens with R rated non adult sites, like a comedy site with uncensored sound clips, these will require age verification? How could this be constitutional?Comment
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I know quite a few pornmeisters rooting for this bill to pass. It all depends on what part of the business you are in. Some folks will benefit bigtime.I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...
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Lot of USA Hosting companies will dieOriginally posted by 995Pays_Webmaster
So, then all the TGPs move to Non US servers
and problem is solved.Comment
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It's weird... Even when you get to the bare bones root of web surfing, the end users browser is specifically REQUESTING information from webservers...
It aint fair I say..
And the all important word "obscene" is never defined except in actual lawsuits...
You've read it, you can't unread it.Comment
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Besides which, the very NATURE of adult websites, and specifically publisher websites, are for ADULTS.. That stance is strengthened by the fact that the vast majority of member sites require an ADULT to digitally sign the agreement, and have a credit card..
Parents need to be parents. Shit.
You've read it, you can't unread it.Comment
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