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  • jayeff
    Confirmed User
    • May 2001
    • 2944
    #51
    Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
    No.... this is your thread man.....

    the issue is, why provide all this shit and then have to watch YOU bitch about it.

    Christ..... what more do you want?



    you still don't get it do you.

    You are the one who doesn't get it. If you have no confidence in FHG's as a sales tool, fine: don't make them. But if you are going to make them, what is the benefit for YOU in not making them properly?

    Once they are out there, for better or worse, to surfers and webmasters, they say something about YOUR business. There is no more logic in putting out half-assed FHG's than in building half-assed tours.

    And you cannot seriously imagine that with hundreds of equally saleable sites to choose from, most affiliates aren't going to choose the ones that give them the most help. That isn't laziness... it's common sense. It's plain bloody silly to work with sponsor A who leaves you to sink or swim on your own, if sponsor B has as good a product and helps you do your job.

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      • Amputate Your Head
        There can be only one
        • Aug 2001
        • 39075
        #52
        Originally posted by Lenny2
        But this is 2004 and they've pretty much taken over.....you seem to be stuck in the past.
        I'm stuck in the past? You still think it's 2004.
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          • Snake Doctor
            I'm Lenny2 Bitch
            • Mar 2001
            • 13449
            #53
            Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
            I'm stuck in the past? You still think it's 2004.
            Touche'

            No defense for that one....but my point was still valid.
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              • Amputate Your Head
                There can be only one
                • Aug 2001
                • 39075
                #54
                Originally posted by jayeff
                You are the one who doesn't get it. If you have no confidence in FHG's as a sales tool, fine: don't make them. But if you are going to make them, what is the benefit for YOU in not making them properly?

                Once they are out there, for better or worse, to surfers and webmasters, they say something about YOUR business. There is no more logic in putting out half-assed FHG's than in building half-assed tours.

                And you cannot seriously imagine that with hundreds of equally saleable sites to choose from, most affiliates aren't going to choose the ones that give them the most help. That isn't laziness... it's common sense. It's plain bloody silly to work with sponsor A who leaves you to sink or swim on your own, if sponsor B has as good a product and helps you do your job.
                That I will agree with..... but what apparently is lost on you is the reason WHY they are out there in the first place.
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                  • bhutocracy
                    Not making A Comeback
                    • Dec 2001
                    • 10218
                    #55
                    Originally posted by Lenny2
                    You could probably do that with paid listings.
                    with some people yeah, but I dunno, it might be just me but I would have thought anything that can help people make more money would have been more warmly welcomed.
                    Flash Layer Ads have ridiculous clickthroughs but i don't see near enough people using them.

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                      • xxxice
                        Confirmed User
                        • Feb 2002
                        • 5042
                        #56
                        One way to look at it is why not pay someone to create galleries that are really good and make sales that way

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                          • Snake Doctor
                            I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                            • Mar 2001
                            • 13449
                            #57
                            Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
                            That I will agree with..... but what apparently is lost on you is the reason WHY they are out there in the first place.
                            The most successful affiliate program going today is also the first one that offered hosted galleries. Nobody had ever heard of them before that.

                            That was of course one small part of the reason they were successful....but just like any other industry everyone copies the leader.
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                              • Amputate Your Head
                                There can be only one
                                • Aug 2001
                                • 39075
                                #58
                                Originally posted by Lenny2
                                TGP's (I'm talking about the good ones, not the pseudo CJ's) have THEIR OWN traffic....just like google and yahoo do.
                                I wouldn't classify regurgitated Chinese traffic as the same level as Google.
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                                  • Sly
                                    Let's do some business!
                                    • Sep 2004
                                    • 31376
                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
                                    sexy... but are you really gonna write this off to something cute?
                                    TGPs are, by nature, getting a free ride. They are one step above the lowest llevel in this biz, which is the submitter. How is it possible to have everything given to you, and then complain about it. (goes for submitters as well as the tgp)

                                    Am I missing a key ingredient here?
                                    I never understood why people always referred to submitters as worthless pieces of shit, and then those same people would consider the AVS guys or the search engine guys some sort of God.

                                    Really, what's the difference? Each of them knows how to work a certain traffic source and work it well. They each send traffic. They each generate sales.

                                    Many "hot" sponsors today were built on and for TGP/submitter traffic.
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                                      • Snake Doctor
                                        I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                        • Mar 2001
                                        • 13449
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
                                        I wouldn't classify regurgitated Chinese traffic as the same level as Google.
                                        I wouldn't classify someone who took a photshop class as a businessman who understands how to make a profit in a constantly changing industry.
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                                          • Amputate Your Head
                                            There can be only one
                                            • Aug 2001
                                            • 39075
                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by Sly
                                            I never understood why people always referred to submitters as worthless pieces of shit,
                                            I didn't mean for that to come off as "worthless pieces of shit"..... sorry if you took it that way. But realistically..... looking at the biz as a whole, they are the lowest level.

                                            Is there someone lower?

                                            Low level does not = worthless piece of shit.
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                                              • Amputate Your Head
                                                There can be only one
                                                • Aug 2001
                                                • 39075
                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by Lenny2
                                                I wouldn't classify someone who took a photshop class as a businessman who understands how to make a profit in a constantly changing industry.
                                                Me either.

                                                Fortunately, I never took a photoshop class in my life.
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                                                  • Sly
                                                    Let's do some business!
                                                    • Sep 2004
                                                    • 31376
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
                                                    I didn't mean for that to come off as "worthless pieces of shit"..... sorry if you took it that way. But realistically..... looking at the biz as a whole, they are the lowest level.

                                                    Is there someone lower?

                                                    Low level does not = worthless piece of shit.
                                                    A grunt is lower.

                                                    I see your point, but then I wonder... how many positions are better than a submitter? I know many submitters that make very good incomes, submitting is the ONLY thing that they do. This is such a strange business when you try to break it down like that...
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                                                      • FlexxAeon
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • May 2003
                                                        • 3765
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by Choker
                                                        I'm declining more FHG 's than I am approving.

                                                        1. Banners designed to look like thumbs to big pics. The ONLY reason for this is because your gallery sucks and the only way you can get a surfer to your site is to trick him.

                                                        2. Assorted pictures from different sets instead of series.

                                                        3. Shitty screen caps for big pics. OMFG. Yeah a surfer is going to signup after seeing that great quality sample of your sites content.

                                                        4. Movie clips with more text on them than content.

                                                        Maybe in your haste to get out as many FHG's as you can you forgot to make decent FHG's?

                                                        omg....

                                                        I see this thread and I'm thinking "right on".

                                                        I go check on the galleries I just submitted to Choker....all declined due to rule #1

                                                        Does this look like "Banners designed to look like thumbs to big pics" to anyone else?

                                                        http://www.naughtypod.com/gallery/re...rn/chindex.php

                                                        fuck....i thought it looked ok
                                                        flexx [dot] aeon [at] gmail

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                                                          • Snake Doctor
                                                            I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                            • Mar 2001
                                                            • 13449
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by Sly
                                                            A grunt is lower.

                                                            I see your point, but then I wonder... how many positions are better than a submitter? I know many submitters that make very good incomes, submitting is the ONLY thing that they do. This is such a strange business when you try to break it down like that...
                                                            Submitter is where people tend to start in this business.
                                                            It has the lowest startup cost and the fastest results.

                                                            From there people either learn the biz and move on to other ventures that are more profitable.....or they leave the biz.

                                                            People who make a living "just submitting" are becoming more and more rare.

                                                            What's funny is I remember when I first started in this business everyone on the newbie boards was saying "DON'T submit to TGP's....you'll just get a huge bandwidth bill and not get any sales....wait until you really know what you're doing before messing with TGP's....especially thehun"
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                                                              • Amputate Your Head
                                                                There can be only one
                                                                • Aug 2001
                                                                • 39075
                                                                #66
                                                                anyway... only thing I'm trying to say in this this thread is, we make new tools constantly, give away bandwidth, give away content, over and over and over.....

                                                                and then someone comes along and complains about it. "It's not good enough. I want BETTER free shit."

                                                                It's really fucking annoying.


                                                                We, on the other side, don't live our days to provide you with the ultimate in free shit.

                                                                That's all I'm saying.
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                                                                  • Dalai lama
                                                                    Strength and Honor
                                                                    • Jul 2004
                                                                    • 16540
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Amen chocker.

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                                                                      • Snake Doctor
                                                                        I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                        • Mar 2001
                                                                        • 13449
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
                                                                        and then someone comes along and complains about it. "It's not good enough. I want BETTER free shit."

                                                                        It's really fucking annoying.


                                                                        We, on the other side, don't live our days to provide you with the ultimate in free shit.
                                                                        Asking for more and better things is just smart business. Wal-Mart is notorious for bleeding their suppliers dry to get things cheaper cheaper cheaper.
                                                                        Affiliates trying to get more from their sponsors is no different.

                                                                        You can't get mad at a duck for quacking.
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                                                                          • DavieVegas
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Jun 2004
                                                                            • 6117
                                                                            #69
                                                                            we got some of the best fhgs in my opinion....no joke..
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                                                                              • Amputate Your Head
                                                                                There can be only one
                                                                                • Aug 2001
                                                                                • 39075
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by Lenny2
                                                                                You can't get mad at a duck for quacking.
                                                                                well, I probably would.... probably wanna snap his damn quacking ass neck and throw him on the grill... lol

                                                                                but that's why I'm not in public relations.... ;-)
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                                                                                  • Amputate Your Head
                                                                                    There can be only one
                                                                                    • Aug 2001
                                                                                    • 39075
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    'night Lenny....

                                                                                    good session
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                                                                                      • Manowar
                                                                                        jellyfish  
                                                                                        • Dec 2003
                                                                                        • 71528
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Agreed. Quality over quantity!

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                                                                                          • Snake Doctor
                                                                                            I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                                            • Mar 2001
                                                                                            • 13449
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
                                                                                            'night Lenny....

                                                                                            good session
                                                                                            Ciao

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                                                                                              • aico
                                                                                                Moo Moo Cow
                                                                                                • Mar 2004
                                                                                                • 14748
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Originally posted by Choker
                                                                                                Whiney about it? I don't give a shit if sponsors want to kick out crap galleries one after another. I just will not sell traffic to them. I am simply making a post saying that I have noticed a trend of FHG's getting worse and worse.
                                                                                                If you don't give a crap then why the fuck did you start this thread??

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                                                                                                  • bhutocracy
                                                                                                    Not making A Comeback
                                                                                                    • Dec 2001
                                                                                                    • 10218
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    man, i'd LOVE to put a flash layer ad on a paid listing lol..

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                                                                                                      • The Other Steve
                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                        • Dec 2001
                                                                                                        • 2106
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        Originally posted by bhutocracy
                                                                                                        with some people yeah, but I dunno, it might be just me but I would have thought anything that can help people make more money would have been more warmly welcomed.
                                                                                                        Flash Layer Ads have ridiculous clickthroughs but i don't see near enough people using them.
                                                                                                        Are there any of those banners in the Guns Blazing affiliates promo tools?

                                                                                                        Being completely dumb you might have to take me by the hand and lead me to them but if they are there we'll grab a couple to put up on Gay Man Links
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                                                                                                          • onlymovies
                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                            • Sep 2003
                                                                                                            • 906
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Originally posted by DavieVegas
                                                                                                            we got some of the best fhgs in my opinion....no joke..
                                                                                                            post 'em...lets take a look.
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                                                                                                              • Snake Doctor
                                                                                                                I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                                                                • Mar 2001
                                                                                                                • 13449
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Originally posted by bhutocracy
                                                                                                                man, i'd LOVE to put a flash layer ad on a paid listing lol..
                                                                                                                Only way it would work is if it didn't lay over the thumbs....if someone goes to click a thumb and clicks your flash overlay ad the TGP's are gonna have a problem with that.

                                                                                                                I thought you were just talking about flash banners or something before.
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                                                                                                                  • LaceyLace
                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                    • Mar 2005
                                                                                                                    • 148
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    good post

                                                                                                                    I got 2 so far, but I'll be finishing up a few more soon!
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                                                                                                                      • Choker
                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                        • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                        • 9024
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by FlexxAeon
                                                                                                                        omg....

                                                                                                                        I see this thread and I'm thinking "right on".

                                                                                                                        I go check on the galleries I just submitted to Choker....all declined due to rule #1

                                                                                                                        Does this look like "Banners designed to look like thumbs to big pics" to anyone else?

                                                                                                                        http://www.naughtypod.com/gallery/re...rn/chindex.php

                                                                                                                        fuck....i thought it looked ok
                                                                                                                        I apoligize for rejecting them, they are extremely nice galleries, but the banners that look like thumbs are just too much. Even if they had text on them it would work, but as it is they look like thumbs that will go to a big pic. I really did not want to reject them as I could tell they took a lot of time to design.
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                                                                                                                          • bhutocracy
                                                                                                                            Not making A Comeback
                                                                                                                            • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                            • 10218
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by The Other Steve
                                                                                                                            Are there any of those banners in the Guns Blazing affiliates promo tools?

                                                                                                                            Being completely dumb you might have to take me by the hand and lead me to them but if they are there we'll grab a couple to put up on Gay Man Links
                                                                                                                            Heya Steve I'm working on them atm actually, take a look at http://www.hairyboyz.com/hb_ads/gaymanlinks.html
                                                                                                                            it's not finished, no close button, no tricky code and linking etc but they command attention like a mofo thats a taste test i guess before i add some clickier text and make them work a little better.

                                                                                                                            other things would be hosting banners like :
                                                                                                                            http://www.hairyboyz.com/hb_ads/468x60.html

                                                                                                                            we're going to be pumping out some great promo tools over the next month or so.

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                                                                                                                              • bhutocracy
                                                                                                                                Not making A Comeback
                                                                                                                                • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                • 10218
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Lenny2
                                                                                                                                Only way it would work is if it didn't lay over the thumbs....if someone goes to click a thumb and clicks your flash overlay ad the TGP's are gonna have a problem with that.

                                                                                                                                I thought you were just talking about flash banners or something before.

                                                                                                                                i was.. i was talking something like this:
                                                                                                                                http://www.hairyboyz.com/hb_ads/hb_tgp2.html
                                                                                                                                except where the little flash bit is, that whole area might be a kickass flash block.

                                                                                                                                i was just having a giggle about a FLA on a gallery..

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                                                                                                                                  • Pretty_Lara
                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                    • 755
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    See my fhg:
                                                                                                                                    3 various , some of them almost clean ... high resol. up to 900

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                                                                                                                                      • The Other Steve
                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                        • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                        • 2106
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by bhutocracy
                                                                                                                                        Heya Steve I'm working on them atm actually, take a look at http://www.hairyboyz.com/hb_ads/gaymanlinks.html
                                                                                                                                        it's not finished, no close button, no tricky code and linking etc but they command attention like a mofo thats a taste test i guess before i add some clickier text and make them work a little better.

                                                                                                                                        other things would be hosting banners like :
                                                                                                                                        http://www.hairyboyz.com/hb_ads/468x60.html

                                                                                                                                        we're going to be pumping out some great promo tools over the next month or so.
                                                                                                                                        Command attention????????????

                                                                                                                                        She nearly had a fit until I told her that I wasn't really looking at Gay Man Links - once she settled down all she could say was:

                                                                                                                                        "I love it - I want one?"

                                                                                                                                        so you better warn Brian - she'll probably be on the phone to him tomorrow nagging him to give her one

                                                                                                                                        They certainly are very eye catching
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                                                                                                                                          • Rui
                                                                                                                                            web
                                                                                                                                            • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                            • 9533
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            I had a dream...a dream that we lived in a world where FHG and free-hosting didn't exist...it was a beautiful thing let me tell you..

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                                                                                                                                              • SykkBoy2
                                                                                                                                                Jesus loves bacon
                                                                                                                                                • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                                • 19969
                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                here's a newbie tip:
                                                                                                                                                you will almost always do better building your own galleries than using FHJGs (yes,m I'm admitting this as a sponsor) You want better results? send me some token traffic, I'll hook you up with a password to grab your own content and build your own galleries, then it'll match your site and creativity and you'll make more $$$$$ long term

                                                                                                                                                FHGs are a tool just like banners, FPAs, etc. not everyone will work for every affiliate and their traffic...you need to know your traffic and give them what they want to sell them

                                                                                                                                                I understand the issue with video screen caps, but if the site is primarily a video site, the caps won't always be 100% crystal clear.....the screen caps should be presented as samples of what they will see when they join the site to watch the VIDEOS those snaps are taken from...they shouldn't be sold to the surfer as stand alone content...
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                                                                                                                                                  • FlexxAeon
                                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                    • May 2003
                                                                                                                                                    • 3765
                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Choker
                                                                                                                                                    I apoligize for rejecting them, they are extremely nice galleries, but the banners that look like thumbs are just too much. Even if they had text on them it would work, but as it is they look like thumbs that will go to a big pic. I really did not want to reject them as I could tell they took a lot of time to design.
                                                                                                                                                    Choker, I could easily make the graphics that don't go to an image non-clickable. Would that work? ICQ me 222931855
                                                                                                                                                    flexx [dot] aeon [at] gmail

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                                                                                                                                                      • bhutocracy
                                                                                                                                                        Not making A Comeback
                                                                                                                                                        • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                                        • 10218
                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by The Other Steve
                                                                                                                                                        Command attention????????????

                                                                                                                                                        She nearly had a fit until I told her that I wasn't really looking at Gay Man Links - once she settled down all she could say was:

                                                                                                                                                        "I love it - I want one?"

                                                                                                                                                        so you better warn Brian - she'll probably be on the phone to him tomorrow nagging him to give her one

                                                                                                                                                        They certainly are very eye catching
                                                                                                                                                        hehehehehehe fits are just part of the service

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                                                                                                                                                          • Choker
                                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                            • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                                                            • 9024
                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by FlexxAeon
                                                                                                                                                            Choker, I could easily make the graphics that don't go to an image non-clickable. Would that work? ICQ me 222931855
                                                                                                                                                            Yes of course, it's those polaroid snaps that cause me to stop. Lots of guys have galleries with those and the thumbs are clickable to the big pics, follow me?
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                                                                                                                                                              • xxxice
                                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                                • 5042
                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Lenny2
                                                                                                                                                                The most successful affiliate program going today is also the first one that offered hosted galleries. Nobody had ever heard of them before that.

                                                                                                                                                                That was of course one small part of the reason they were successful....but just like any other industry everyone copies the leader.

                                                                                                                                                                nasty d ?

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                                                                                                                                                                  • AmateurFlix
                                                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                    • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                                                                    • 7762
                                                                                                                                                                    #91
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Choker
                                                                                                                                                                    3. Shitty screen caps for big pics. OMFG. Yeah a surfer is going to signup after seeing that great quality sample of your sites content.
                                                                                                                                                                    Screencaps usually convert better than photo or video; the viewer can tell there is video available from the site but it hasn't been given away for free, so they sign up to the site more often to d/l the vids.

                                                                                                                                                                    This isn't only my own observations, other paysite owners have confirmed this.

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                                                                                                                                                                      • Snake Doctor
                                                                                                                                                                        I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                                                                                                                        • Mar 2001
                                                                                                                                                                        • 13449
                                                                                                                                                                        #92
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by AmateurFlix
                                                                                                                                                                        Screencaps usually convert better than photo or video; the viewer can tell there is video available from the site but it hasn't been given away for free, so they sign up to the site more often to d/l the vids.

                                                                                                                                                                        This isn't only my own observations, other paysite owners have confirmed this.
                                                                                                                                                                        There's a difference between screencap and shitty screencaps.

                                                                                                                                                                        You'd be amazed at some of the shit people try to pass off as content.
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                                                                                                                                                                          • TheSenator
                                                                                                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                            • Feb 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                            I hate my FHG
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                                                                                                                                                                            Some please take it away!!!
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