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Yep, he did overspend. He's also willing to do what it takes to pay the money back. He obviously doesn't have the money now, but instead of running (like many people do), he's willing to own up to his actions. Damn, if even a portion of my dead beat clients were willing to step-up and do what it takes to pay their bill, I would be ecstatic.Originally posted by RavenVacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted
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Hey dumb fuck... maybe it is you who needs to take time out for comprehension:Originally posted by abyss_al
I know what the fuck is in this package because I fucking purchased the same package. Aaron only sells one package. If he was shown a model, she was in the package. If he saw a hot model, he has the hot model. I saw the good bad and ugly before buying.
Out of 140 fucking models he shows 14 that he doesn't like? What about the other 126 models?Comment
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Jesus why do you keep bringing this up. I'll pay you for that handjob in Phoenix.Originally posted by Sly
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you guys keep saying you showed me the content of the bald girls, goth girls, bbw girls, and pregnant set... show me... where did you show me?I like turtles.Comment
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Originally posted by AaronM
i'm not gonna take sides here... just going by what's been said.... it's pretty much come down to 'he said/she said' ....either way what i think or say wont chane anything... i wish both of you good luck and may the force be with you
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I would LOVE to know how I gave you a handjob. I typically don't carry around my magnifying glass.Originally posted by eroswebmasterJesus why do you keep bringing this up. I'll pay you for that handjob in Phoenix.
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I can't imagine spending thousands of dollars on content without getting a detailed summary of what the purchase would include. I've bought bulk packages before & yes, there are usually at least a few sets in niches I don't push. But before I buy I make sure there are also enough sets of girls I can use, making the purchase worthwhile. This should be common sense!
14 sets out of 700+ is an acceptable margin. At less than $10 a set, 14 out of 100 is an acceptable margin.
(BTW, I'm not defending Aaron in any way, shape or form. I think he's being a complete prick, but it's also within his rights to do so. For future reference, an ICQ log is not a binding contract.)
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i don't fuck people over... ever... a well known gfyer sent me a wire of 750 during the period that we had problems... and this was like while i was 1 month on the forum.. i could have just took off with it.. but i didn't... even though we had problems at the time i still kept my side of the deal...Originally posted by Sly
plus... its not like im not holding my end of the deal... the deal was.. i pay him once i got my site up and established...he knew that RIGHT after i wired him 4500CDN a month ago... its not like its NEWS to him... right after i wired the money... he told me i still owed 800US since he wanted 4500 CDN... and i told him i didn't have it.. thats when we made the deal that i would pay him once my site got up and establishedI like turtles.Comment
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relax yourself fuckheadOriginally posted by DonovanPhillips
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Hah! This proves you've looked at my cock..otherwise you wouldn't hae noticed how small it is.Originally posted by SlyFor rent - ICQ 127-027-910
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This is one fucked up deal. No wonder everyone is so skeptical of other people in this business when crap like this happens. It is almost to the point that before you do anything you have to come to GFY and post a thread saying, "Should I do Business with XXXX?" Sad really.
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those 14 sets were just off the first cd... those 14 pics were 1 pic from each girl on the first cd... i would post more... but aaron is already sueing meOriginally posted by KCatI like turtles.Comment
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Originally posted by sonofsam
Check your ICQ log.
Sunday, March 13th, 9:41pm.
Check and mate.
Thank you for playing.
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Originally posted by abyss_ali'm not gonna take sides here... just going by what's been said.... it's pretty much come down to 'he said/she said' ....either way what i think or say wont chane anything... i wish both of you good luck and may the force be with you
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Originally posted by Abyss_Vee
grrrrrreeeaaat success!EMAIL: allen @ vasmediagroup.com | ICQ: 311329761 | SKYPE: abyss.al | AIM: xABYSSxALxComment
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tsk tsk tsk. Don, get off the bandwagon.Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
His age really has nothing to do with this. It's just inexperience. Wouldn't matter if he was 19 or 91. To him, the content is useless. It's for an amateur teen site. It just would not fit the bill. If he had a real amateur site like yours then it would. You see it as gold because your area of business is amateur. You know what converts better for YOUR site. It doesn't mean you know anything better than anyone. Just because you have amateurs on your site Donny and it converts being sold as amateur doesn't mean you are the know all of converting. It just means you sold an amateur product as amateur. Simple as that.
Your analogy of "give them what YOU like and wonder why you don't make any sales. " is 100% not relevant to the situation. He is not selling memberships with the content, it's filler for his site. Read the whole thread or find out what the whole scoop is before making blanket statements like this. The sales are already made. If you joined a site like ashleybrookes and found those Shineade O'connor girls in there would you want to continue to be a member? Wouldn't you feel the least bit jaded? understand why the content is not useful to him?Give the surfer something they don't see on every fucking site and on every fucking TGP out there and they'll sign up.
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give them what YOU like and wonder why you don't make any sales.
Read that thread Raven bumped yesterday. Did you see how John Hughes, my AmateurMarket.net webmaster, was raving about how great this content is and how he's seeing gold?
I honestly didn't want to go into specific detail on what converts amateur girl-next-door traffic but you've pissed me off enough to reveal a few secrets. Damn it.[/QUOTE]
You don't know what's really going on in this specific situation and it shows. Having this content in his members area has nothing to do with what's gold.
You almost make it sound like you thought he was going to be using this content as the main focal point of his site. Now, if he was and the site was a real amateur site, then I would agree with you 100% but the content is filler for a next door cute teen type site.
The only reason I made any comments in this thread was because I knew a fair amount about what his site is and what is going on as I have been advising him on things and just shooting the shit with him. If I didn't I would not have said a damn word. As should you...
That all being said, if Sam has the time and resources he could use this content to make his money back easily. It's definitely "real amateur" type content.
I just think that everyone that doesn't know what's going on should shut up, mind their own business and let Aaron and Sam work this out on their own. It looks like Aaron is willing to judging from his recent posts.Comment
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Originally posted by sonofsam
Okay, you keep bringing this CDN issue into it. I have a question. This site you are getting ready to launch, are you going to set the cost in CDN or USD? When sponsors pay you, do they pay you in CDN or USD? Can you give any examples where costs/fees/ whatever are done in CDN when dealing with a US company?
I have several Canadian clients and affiliates from all over the world. NEVER have any of them assumed that monies exchanged would be anything other than USD unless it was specifically spelled out ahead of time.
Fact is, when I joke around if they would like to be paid in CDN the response has always been NO!Comment
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I've said my piece. Now it's off to the sushi bar again for me. I had sushi last night but since I normally take my fiance and she was on the coast with her parents yesterday that means I must go twice to make up for being 1 person short, right?
Here, read this instead of arguing:
http://www.***************.com/2005/...-and-porn.html
Sonofsam... I'm sorry you overextended yourself and got a bad case of buyer's remorse. That's common. In fact the state of California has a "no cooling off period" when buying a car simply because of all the people who get buyer's remorse after purchasing a vehicle.
You'll thank Aaron later after launching your sites and seeing we're telling you the truth.Comment
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Originally posted by KCat
If you knew everything that I have been through with this guy....As Raven does....Then you would probably understand why I am being a prick about this now.
I consult with Raven on EVERY business matter that passes through me. We stay in constant contact and she knows the intimate dealings with ALL of my business transactions.
She knows the situation better than anybody else here save sonofsam and myself and she is dead nuts on with what she has posted.Comment
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Listen.. i don't want to argue anymore... fact is.... you sent me something i am not happy with... okay... well lesson learned for me... but you now wont even send me the 2257 docs to be able to use itI like turtles.Comment
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You're still not getting it through your thick meaty head are you?Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
The content he recieved is not usable on his site. How could he get into a position that he would be thanking anyone?
Now. if he used the content for launching ANOTHER type of site, then yes, he'd be thanking Aaron all the way to the bank.Comment
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Originally posted by HugglesArmpit hair is pretty girl next door I would think. Maybe even the black nailpolish. I don't know your definition of "girl next door" but mine includes some less attractive chicks. Yes, I DO agree on the bald girl, but that's something you should ask Aaron M about. The bald chick IS nasty. Hehehe. The other girls you posted, well, I would say almost all except the bald one is "girl next door". You can't expect every "girl next door" to look like Tawnee Stone.
Considering the neighborhood, I have to agree. That is why I live in SoCal . . .otherwise I would have to move.
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She knows me that well now huh?Originally posted by AaronM
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relax there guyOriginally posted by sonofsam
He will once you've paid him in full. That's better than nothing, might not be the exact deal you thought you two had but.. better than nothing. You'll get to use the content. Remeber what I told you to do with the content instead of using it in Julia's site.
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Why is that even relevant? It is one issue they have worked out. They agree on the price just not when it is supposed to be paid in full or what it was for.Originally posted by baddog
If it was me I'd offer him the content with all documentation for what he has already paid since he is not happy with some of the content. If he said no way I'd give him a complete refund less shipping charges upon return of the content. But, its not my place to decide.
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he already is sueing me for posting samples of the content in here, whats to say he wont get my site shut down by the host for having the content up on my site?Originally posted by iwantchixxrelax there guy
He will once you've paid him in full. That's better than nothing, might not be the exact deal you thought you two had but.. better than nothing. You'll get to use the content. Remeber what I told you to do with the content instead of using it in Julia's site.I like turtles.Comment
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All the girl's next door around me are older than that!Originally posted by baddogComment
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Originally posted by iwantchixx
lol...
Uh...Actually....The site that this content was purchased for has yet to be built. It was intended to be an amateur site based on this content package.
Therefore......"Now. if he used the content for launching ANOTHER type of site, then yes, he'd be thanking Aaron all the way to the bank."Comment
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Originally posted by sonofsam
* most (if not all I saw) was teen
* all was solo girl
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he said he would send you the required paperwork once paid in full. How could he have you shut down then? Relax man, it will all work out. Just be patient, pay him off when you can, THEN use the content for what I discussed with you either last night or the night before. I bet an appology would probably get you out of legal hot water.Originally posted by sonofsam
Now....Payment in full along with a formal public apology may just buy him some leniency.Comment
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Don't worry. You seem to have the drive to be successful. Keep at it. There's always tomorrow.Originally posted by sonofsam
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yeah, I was just informed of this by him. I did not know that.Originally posted by AaronMComment
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thanks mate, appreciate itOriginally posted by BusterPornDon't worry. You seem to have the drive to be successful. Keep at it. There's always tomorrow.
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Originally posted by iwantchixx
Yeah....Amazing how he left out some of the details like that.
That should have been made public knowledge on the first page...Not 4 pages back.Comment
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i already told iwantchixx that... doesn't change the fact that its not what i asked for though.Originally posted by iwantchixxI like turtles.Comment
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Originally posted by BusterPornDon't worry. You seem to have the drive to be successful. Keep at it. There's always tomorrow.
That's the kind of positive reinforcement that I keep giving him as well. Careful or he will start trying to make you look bad too.Comment
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It doesn't change anything... you think.. me being a NEWBIE how you've put it so many times.. would know that UGLY AMATUERS would convert? and that i would accept it knowing it was hairy gothic girls and BBW girls? no of course not because i'm a newbie right.. so then why would i have accepted the content if i had known it was nasty amatuers?Originally posted by AaronMI like turtles.Comment
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a kid is new to the biz
he buys bulk content which he thought was going to be all the same and it seems he didnt ask if all the content was the same niche.
it seems the established seller, knowing the kids a newb doenst bother telling the newb that not all the content is what the newb thinks hes going to get.
newb gets mad because of his newbiness and posts his complaint
the seller, threatens a lawsuit.
the newb should ask seller if he could just pay for what he wants nd made a mistake (because if his newbiness in thinking and not asking about all the content) and get some sort of refund for what he cant use from seller
seller should agree
newb and seller agree to a refund/restocking price.
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this is you pushing me to post the pics.... even though you say "as many as you have licences for"Originally posted by AaronM
and this is what you are sueing me for... how cool is that..I like turtles.Comment
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that would be lovely... though do you honestly think aaron would ever do that? No.Originally posted by jonesyI like turtles.Comment
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He can use it in any site he'd like to use it in, and do well with it. Use your imagination and stop thinking surfers want one thing and one thing only.Originally posted by iwantchixx
Let's take the bald chick as an example:
Julia: You all know I like girls. Now please don't make fun of me when I show you this photo of a girl that turns me on big time! (bald girl is shown here). I found her on the internet when doing a MySpace.com search for girls in my hometown. We've been chatting and exchanging pics for a few weeks now and she gave me permission to post these here. There's just something about her I like. I think it's because she reminds me of my friend Sandy who used to play with me in the back seat of my parent's Dodge Caravan when we'd take her to church on Sundays. I was so innocent then and my parents thought they were doing a good deed taking Sandy to church with us. They wanted to "save her soul", yet the real reason she went with us every Sunday had nothing to do with God. She just liked rubbing my clit and almost getting caught. This girl looks just like her. Sandy, I miss you!
See how easy that was? Make a story out of it and you can sell almost anything almost anywhere. And you'd be amazed at the "teen" traffic that ends up likin' the bald bitch.Comment
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Even if he wasn't doing a site that this content is perfect for.... anything can be sold anywhere, anytime. Ya just gotta know how to do it. See my last post for an example.Originally posted by iwantchixx
Now... I REALLY need to get to the sushi bar.
Later.Comment
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Originally posted by sonofsam
I showed you basic breakdown of what was included in that package. Now that I have reviewed that breakdown based on the link from our ICQ log....I have come to the conclusion that the there was no specific mention of ugly chick who shaved her head. Because of this, I will knock those 3 sets off the price for you. That's $17.55 that you can take off of what you still owe me.....Never mind that the initial agreement was for $5000 and I was kind enough to give you another $500 off that already.
So......Your balance due of $878.35 minus this credit leaves you owing me $860.80 and let's not play the "I didn't know it was USD" bullshit game again.Comment
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Originally posted by sonofsam
have you asked him?
aaron can be a ball buster but he'a a business man and has helped you out so i think he would entertian the idea
if he says no
pay off your debt and sell the content to make your money back
and take it this as a lesson learned.Last edited by jonesy; 04-18-2005, 04:48 PM..
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he wont let me sell the contentOriginally posted by jonesyI like turtles.Comment
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Originally posted by jonesy
This is not the case.
I told him exactly what to expect. He was even made aware that it was various niches.Comment
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there was no mention of fat girlsOriginally posted by AaronM
or a pregnant set
or gothic girls either.I like turtles.Comment
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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
you just dropped her class to shit... solo girls are classy clean like the cute stuff.. not this butchy bald shit... make all the stories you want, your still fucking up a solo girls image with that being her tasteEMAIL: allen @ vasmediagroup.com | ICQ: 311329761 | SKYPE: abyss.al | AIM: xABYSSxALxComment
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