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  • BustIt
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    • Jun 2004
    • 214

    #1

    Moore's Movie Slammed

    Dollar: Hitchens on Michael Moore's Latest "Documentary" (June 22, 2004)
    The Left's Christopher Hitchens (columnist for Vanity Fair) on Michael Moore's latest movie: http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/?GT1=3584#correct

    The money quote:
    Moore's movie is "a spectacle of abject political cowardice masking itself as a demonstration of 'dissenting' bravery."

    On Moore and his admirers:
    "To [Moore], easy applause, in front of credulous audiences, is everything."

    On Moore's 'history' of Iraq:
    "We are introduced to Iraq, 'a sovereign nation.' (In fact, Iraq's 'sovereignty' was heavily qualified by international sanctions, however questionable, which reflected its noncompliance with important U.N. resolutions.) In this peaceable kingdom, according to Moore's flabbergasting choice of film shots, children are flying little kites, shoppers are smiling in the sunshine, and the gentle rhythms of life are undisturbed. Then?wham! From the night sky come the terror weapons of American imperialism...I don't think Al Jazeera would, on a bad day, have transmitted anything so utterly propagandistic. You would also be led to think that the term 'civilian casualty' had not even been in the Iraqi vocabulary until March 2003..."

    On debating Moore:
    "...I think we can agree that the film is so flat-out phony that 'fact-checking' is beside the point. And as for the scary lawyers--get a life, or maybe see me in court. But I offer this, to Moore and to his rapid response rabble. Any time, Michael my boy. Let's redo Telluride. Any show. Any place. Any platform. Let's see what you're made of."

    On Moore's documentary standards:
    "But if you leave out absolutely everything that might give your 'narrative' a problem and throw in any old rubbish that might support it, and you don't even care that one bit of that rubbish flatly contradicts the next bit, and you give no chance to those who might differ, then you have betrayed your craft. ... At no point does Michael Moore make the smallest effort to be objective. At no moment does he pass up the chance of a cheap sneer or a jeer."
  • Basic_man
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    • BustIt
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      • Jun 2004
      • 214

      #3
      My pleasure!

      The Vanity Fair Critique is excellent. You should read the entire thing.

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      • Magnus
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        • Dec 2002
        • 1211

        #4
        yeah it got slammed in Caans with the Palm D'or.
        Magnus

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        • Deepai
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          • Feb 2004
          • 1583

          #5
          yea but opinions are like assholes...they usually stink...
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          • nofx
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            • Nov 2002
            • 16826

            #6
            good tactic. discredit it, put it down, talk about how its full of lies, maybe some people wont go see it now.

            supress the truth. the people cannot think for themselves.

            Often times I wonder why
            There's love and hate, theres live or die.
            When sickness comes I must decide:
            When feelings go, theres suicide.

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            • doober
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              • Jul 2003
              • 6984

              #7
              Originally posted by Magnus3X
              yeah it got slammed in Caans with the Palm D'or.
              rofl

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              • NoCarrier
                We need more free porn
                • Mar 2002
                • 16356

                #8
                Yeah.. The critics didn't like it..

                http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/Fahrenheit911-1133649/



                Fresh: 33 Rotten: 9

                79% Loved it.

                "[Moore's] most disciplined and powerful movie to date."
                A.O. Scott, The New York Times

                "The movie's conclusions -- true or otherwise -- and highly emotional interviews with bereaved parents and injured soldiers will have a big impact on audiences around the world."
                -- Ian Youngs, BBC

                "Say what you will about Moore's politics, but he knows how to make a good movie."
                -- Willie Waffle, WAFFLEMOVIES.COM

                "...see if you don't cringe when you see Bush talk to the media about being dedicated to fighting terrorism and segue into "Now watch this drive!" as he tees off."
                -- John Venable, SUPERCALA.COM

                "The result is a scary, funny, moving and angry film is perhaps the most devastating item leveled at a sitting U.S. President since the days of Watergate."
                -- Peter Sobczynski, CRITIC DOCTOR


                "Right now, in the summer of 2004, Fahrenheit 9/11 is an absolute good."
                -- Eugene Novikov, FILM BLATHER

                "...neither a great director or a great thinker, [Moore] has managed to make a film that is tough and true ? if not in the particulars, in its grave and profound progress."
                -- Philip Martin, ARKANSAS DEMOCRAT-GAZETTE

                "Makes you want to go straight to the White House and punch everyone in the gut. "
                -- Kevin N. Laforest, MONTREAL FILM JOURNAL

                "In pure filmic terms, Fahrenheit 911 is a second-rate documentary, but it is first-rate entertainment and top-notch muckraking."
                -- Mark Keizer, BOXOFFICE MAGAZINE

                "...if there is one movie that you will see this year, make sure that it's Fahrenheit 9/11."
                -- JoBlo, JOBLO'S MOVIE EMPORIUM

                "Not just a scathing indictment against the President.. but a deeply patriotic movie which reminds us of the principal tenets which makes a true democracy so great"
                -- Edward Havens, FILMJERK.COM

                "It's angry agit-prop - a brilliant blame game - and its real effectiveness as muckraking propaganda may be reflected by the outcome of the November elections."
                -- Susan Granger, WWW.SUSANGRANGER.COM

                ". . . an explosive and heart wrenching piece of cinema . . ."
                -- Mark Salisbury, PREMIERE MAGAZINE

                "The conditional humanity that marred much of Bowling For Columbine is here, but [the result is] powerful, maddening and heartfelt."
                -- Mark Palermo, COAST (HALIFAX, NOVA SCOTIA)


                "Its politics notwithstanding, the art of Fahrenheit 9/11 is extraordinary."
                -- David Levine, FILMCRITIC.COM

                "It?s less about catching officials off guard than about showing how the nation?s number one official is permanently off guard."
                -- Ben Kenigsberg, EAST HAMPTON INDEPENDENT


                "What I look for in a Moore film is not an objective study, but passionate commitment, honest outrage and biting sarcasm. In this case, two outta three ain?t bad."
                -- Dan Jardine, APOLLO GUIDE

                "Like him or not, once you see it, you?ll have to admit that the guy has balls."
                -- Stefan Halley, HERO REALM

                "If Fahrenheit 9/11 feels like a work in progress, that?s only natural?by film?s end, you get a sense that it'll never be finished until George W. Bush is too."
                -- Ed Gonzalez, SLANT MAGAZINE

                "Moore portrays Bush as a thicko hick who spent 42% of his first eight months in office on vacation."
                -- Annette Dasey, TELETEXT (UK)


                "If Moore is formidable, it's not because he is a great filmmaker (far from it), but because he infuses his sense of ridicule with the fury of moral indignation. Fahrenheit 9/11 is strongest when that wrath is vented on Bush and his cohorts."
                -- J. Hoberman, VILLAGE VOICE

                "The film doesn't go for satirical humor the way Moore's Roger & Me and Bowling for Columbine did. Moore's narration is still often sarcastic, but frequently he lets his footage speak for itself."
                -- Roger Ebert, CHICAGO SUN-TIMES

                "A brisk and entertaining indictment of the Bush Administration?s middle East policies before and after September 11, 2001."
                -- Mary Corliss, TIME MAGAZINE

                "To dismiss Fahrenheit 9/11 as "Anti-American propaganda" is doing the movie, the issues, the troops, and the country a grave disservice."
                -- Jurgen Fauth, ABOUT.COM

                "The director has always been at his strongest on the cusp between anger and humour, but there are simply too few such inspired episodes here."
                -- Stephen Dalton, TIMES OF LONDON

                Ferociously, cathartically funny."
                -- Peter Travers, ROLLING STONE

                "What's remarkable here isn't Moore's political animosity or ticklish wit. It's the well-argued, heartfelt power of his persuasion."
                -- Desson Thomson, WASHINGTON POST

                "[Moore's] most disciplined and powerful movie to date."
                -- A.O. Scott, NEW YORK TIMES

                "... a powerful piece of filmmaking by Michael Moore."
                -- Richard Roeper, EBERT & ROEPER

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                • BustIt
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jun 2004
                  • 214

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Magnus3X
                  yeah it got slammed in Caans with the Palm D'or.
                  The French want to believe it.

                  As long as it's anti-Bush, it's a masterpiece as far as the panty-waisted French are concerned.

                  Any book that is anti-American is an instant best-seller in France. That is a proven fact.

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                  • BustIt
                    Confirmed User
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 214

                    #10
                    Originally posted by NoCarrier
                    Yeah.. The critics didn't like it..

                    http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/Fahrenheit911-1133649/



                    Fresh: 33 Rotten: 9

                    79% Loved it.

                    "[Moore's] most disciplined and powerful movie to date."
                    A.O. Scott, The New York Times

                    "The movie's conclusions -- true or otherwise -- and highly emotional interviews with bereaved parents and injured soldiers will have a big impact on audiences around the world."
                    -- Ian Youngs, BBC

                    "Say what you will about Moore's politics, but he knows how to make a good movie."
                    -- Willie Waffle, WAFFLEMOVIES.COM

                    "...see if you don't cringe when you see Bush talk to the media about being dedicated to fighting terrorism and segue into "Now watch this drive!" as he tees off."
                    -- John Venable, SUPERCALA.COM

                    "The result is a scary, funny, moving and angry film is perhaps the most devastating item leveled at a sitting U.S. President since the days of Watergate."
                    -- Peter Sobczynski, CRITIC DOCTOR


                    "Right now, in the summer of 2004, Fahrenheit 9/11 is an absolute good."
                    -- Eugene Novikov, FILM BLATHER

                    "...neither a great director or a great thinker, [Moore] has managed to make a film that is tough and true ? if not in the particulars, in its grave and profound progress."
                    -- Philip Martin, ARKANSAS DEMOCRAT-GAZETTE

                    "Makes you want to go straight to the White House and punch everyone in the gut. "
                    -- Kevin N. Laforest, MONTREAL FILM JOURNAL

                    "In pure filmic terms, Fahrenheit 911 is a second-rate documentary, but it is first-rate entertainment and top-notch muckraking."
                    -- Mark Keizer, BOXOFFICE MAGAZINE

                    "...if there is one movie that you will see this year, make sure that it's Fahrenheit 9/11."
                    -- JoBlo, JOBLO'S MOVIE EMPORIUM

                    "Not just a scathing indictment against the President.. but a deeply patriotic movie which reminds us of the principal tenets which makes a true democracy so great"
                    -- Edward Havens, FILMJERK.COM

                    "It's angry agit-prop - a brilliant blame game - and its real effectiveness as muckraking propaganda may be reflected by the outcome of the November elections."
                    -- Susan Granger, WWW.SUSANGRANGER.COM

                    ". . . an explosive and heart wrenching piece of cinema . . ."
                    -- Mark Salisbury, PREMIERE MAGAZINE

                    "The conditional humanity that marred much of Bowling For Columbine is here, but [the result is] powerful, maddening and heartfelt."
                    -- Mark Palermo, COAST (HALIFAX, NOVA SCOTIA)


                    "Its politics notwithstanding, the art of Fahrenheit 9/11 is extraordinary."
                    -- David Levine, FILMCRITIC.COM

                    "It?s less about catching officials off guard than about showing how the nation?s number one official is permanently off guard."
                    -- Ben Kenigsberg, EAST HAMPTON INDEPENDENT


                    "What I look for in a Moore film is not an objective study, but passionate commitment, honest outrage and biting sarcasm. In this case, two outta three ain?t bad."
                    -- Dan Jardine, APOLLO GUIDE

                    "Like him or not, once you see it, you?ll have to admit that the guy has balls."
                    -- Stefan Halley, HERO REALM

                    "If Fahrenheit 9/11 feels like a work in progress, that?s only natural?by film?s end, you get a sense that it'll never be finished until George W. Bush is too."
                    -- Ed Gonzalez, SLANT MAGAZINE

                    "Moore portrays Bush as a thicko hick who spent 42% of his first eight months in office on vacation."
                    -- Annette Dasey, TELETEXT (UK)


                    "If Moore is formidable, it's not because he is a great filmmaker (far from it), but because he infuses his sense of ridicule with the fury of moral indignation. Fahrenheit 9/11 is strongest when that wrath is vented on Bush and his cohorts."
                    -- J. Hoberman, VILLAGE VOICE

                    "The film doesn't go for satirical humor the way Moore's Roger & Me and Bowling for Columbine did. Moore's narration is still often sarcastic, but frequently he lets his footage speak for itself."
                    -- Roger Ebert, CHICAGO SUN-TIMES

                    "A brisk and entertaining indictment of the Bush Administration?s middle East policies before and after September 11, 2001."
                    -- Mary Corliss, TIME MAGAZINE

                    "To dismiss Fahrenheit 9/11 as "Anti-American propaganda" is doing the movie, the issues, the troops, and the country a grave disservice."
                    -- Jurgen Fauth, ABOUT.COM

                    "The director has always been at his strongest on the cusp between anger and humour, but there are simply too few such inspired episodes here."
                    -- Stephen Dalton, TIMES OF LONDON

                    Ferociously, cathartically funny."
                    -- Peter Travers, ROLLING STONE

                    "What's remarkable here isn't Moore's political animosity or ticklish wit. It's the well-argued, heartfelt power of his persuasion."
                    -- Desson Thomson, WASHINGTON POST

                    "[Moore's] most disciplined and powerful movie to date."
                    -- A.O. Scott, NEW YORK TIMES

                    "... a powerful piece of filmmaking by Michael Moore."
                    -- Richard Roeper, EBERT & ROEPER

                    Those aren't real critics.

                    BBC=anti-American to the bone

                    Roger Ebert is a fat bleeding-heart wimp

                    NYTimes=proven to be anti-Bush and existing pretty much only for that reason, just like the LA Times, truth be damned.

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                    • frankthetank
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                      • Mar 2003
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                      #11
                      It got praised in france while being viewed by democratic actors and actresses, well theres a big surprise!

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                      • sacX
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                        • Dec 2002
                        • 2998

                        #12
                        Originally posted by BustIt
                        My pleasure!

                        The Vanity Fair Critique is excellent. You should read the entire thing.
                        this was pasted days ago, as i said then ;). No doubt there will be valid criticism of Michael Moore's film, this however is not it.
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                        • Phoenix
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                          • Nov 2002
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                          #13
                          history will record michael moore as the aldous huxley of our time

                          and in the meantime he is getting paid

                          whats not to like
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                          • Theo
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                            • May 2001
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by BustIt
                            Those aren't real critics.

                            BBC=anti-American to the bone

                            lol

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                            • BeHeadR
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Magnus3X
                              yeah it got slammed in Caans with the Palm D'or.
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                              • BeHeadR
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by frankthetank
                                It got praised in france while being viewed by democratic actors and actresses, well theres a big surprise!
                                hah idiot
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                                • Paul Waters
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                                  • Mar 2003
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                                  #17
                                  I think it causing a lot of pro Bush people to get very concerned.

                                  They must be highly motivated to whatever they can to discredit Moore and his movie.


                                  Paul

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                                  • Rich
                                    So Fucking Banned
                                    • Jan 2003
                                    • 11486

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by frankthetank
                                    It got praised in france while being viewed by democratic actors and actresses, well theres a big surprise!
                                    By democratic I assume you mean people who still believe in democracy? You're right, democratic people do hate a fascists like Bush.

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                                    • Rich
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                                      • Jan 2003
                                      • 11486

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by BustIt
                                      Those aren't real critics.

                                      BBC=anti-American to the bone

                                      Roger Ebert is a fat bleeding-heart wimp

                                      NYTimes=proven to be anti-Bush and existing pretty much only for that reason, just like the LA Times, truth be damned.
                                      lol

                                      Quoting Vanity Fair whilte rying to discredit the BBC and the NYT. lol, Bush apologists get more and more pathetic by the day.

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                                      • Webby
                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                        • Oct 2002
                                        • 14956

                                        #20
                                        Moore's Movie Slammed
                                        Being "slammed" by one person is not exactly a fair representation.

                                        Moore has his beliefs, accurate or otherwise, and has already had standing ovations for his film and will probably collect awards for this movie.

                                        The man is a movie maker - an entertainer - and worked his ass off to make this based on his beleifs. There is nada wrong in him expressing his views - US politicians do this every day, both from left, right and anyplace in between, - so what's the fuss?

                                        Perhaps part of the fuss is because he criticizes Bush - hell, if that's all he's guilty of, the man deserves a medal. Bush has placed himself in the firing line to be criticized and this comes not only from within the US, but from most of the population on this planet.

                                        Good luck Michael - stuff a bullet up the asses of some dumb brains and at least get them thinking as opposed to beleiving every piece of garbage they are told!

                                        PS Just keep it "accurate" - there is plenty accurate material to use!
                                        XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                                        • Face (o_0)
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                                          • May 2004
                                          • 2617

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Magnus3X
                                          yeah it got slammed in Caans with the Palm D'or.
                                          only hippies go there

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                                          • Webby
                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                            • Oct 2002
                                            • 14956

                                            #22
                                            BustIt:


                                            quote:
                                            --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                            Originally posted by Magnus3X
                                            yeah it got slammed in Caans with the Palm D'or.
                                            --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                                            The French want to believe it.

                                            As long as it's anti-Bush, it's a masterpiece as far as the panty-waisted French are concerned.

                                            Any book that is anti-American is an instant best-seller in France. That is a proven fact.
                                            When you consider the "French" hosted the Cannes Film Festival, as they do each year, and the audience were not "French", but an assembly of international film makers showing their product, - I doubt you can claim the "French want to believe it". That idea seems to only currently seem to be oozing from the propaganda from the US admin - ie the "French" are our "enemies" bullshit. The "French" don't give a shit generally. Talk about "US haters" - there sure seem to be enough "French haters" in the US - pathetic!

                                            The book is "anti-American" is it??? DUH!! Grow up!!
                                            XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                                            • directfiesta
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                                              • Oct 2002
                                              • 30183

                                              #23
                                              LOL

                                              HITCHENS: WE MUST FIGHT IRAQ Sep 25 2002



                                              Notice: 2002

                                              HITCHENS: WE MUST FIGHT IRAQ Sep 25 2002




                                              By Christopher Hitchens


                                              IT is almost certainly a mistake to assume anybody's position on Iraq is determined by evidence alone.

                                              After all, last year there was overwhelming evidence of the connection between the World Trade Center aggression, al-Qaeda and the Taliban - and a decisive UN mandate for action - but many on the left opposed military action in Afghanistan, and still do.

                                              I have the feeling that Tony Blair would feel happier making the moral case that Saddam must go.

                                              He could then lay more stress on the atrocious character of his regime, the plight of the Iraqi people, the aspirations of the Kurds and - perhaps most importantly - the opportunity to turn the tide against despotism in the wider Middle East.

                                              But as Prime Minister of a nation which has a permanent seat on the Security Council of the United Nations, he is obliged to be somewhat legalistic.

                                              It must be obvious to anyone who can think at all that the charges against the Hussein regime are, as concerns arsenals of genocidal weaponry, true.

                                              Saddam has been willing to risk his whole system and his own life rather than relinquish this goal.

                                              And the resolutions of the UN are neither recent nor ambivalent.

                                              I doubt that even if this evidence could be upgraded to 100 per cent it would persuade the sort of people who go on self-appointed missions of mediation to Baghdad.

                                              These people further fail to see that governments now have a further responsibility to their citizens - namely to see that something is done to prevent future assaults on civilisation.

                                              President Bush calls this the doctrine of pre-emption, which obviously has its perils and could be used to justify very rash actions.

                                              Nonetheless, anybody with any sense must confess that there can be no return to the security posture adopted before September 11, 2001.

                                              A leader who was not trying to take the war to the enemy would be delinquent in the extreme.

                                              However, in the end the moral case for action is the strongest one.

                                              WE have inherited, along with the right to destroy an illegal system of aggressive weaponry, a responsibility for the Iraqi and Kurdish peoples.

                                              They are compelled to live with scarcity and fear in their daily existence, as a result of the policies of a homicidal megalomaniac.

                                              One day, this man's rule will be at an end. On that day, we want to be able to look these people in the eye and tell them that we cared about them, too.

                                              And a friendly Iraq, free again to trade and to make contact with the outside world, could transform the atmosphere of the Middle East.

                                              To take one small example, Iraq would no longer be supplying the more thuggish elements around Yasser Arafat, or offering subsidies to suicide bombers.

                                              And it might be noticed democratic forces among the Palestinians have begun to insist on a mini regime change of their own. I am a political opponent of President Bush and at best a lukewarm supporter of the British Labour Party.

                                              But I think it is inaccurate and unfair of the opponents of regime change in Iraq to refer to the Prime Minister as "Bush's poodle".

                                              This glib expression has become a substitute for thought, among people who were never conspicuous for originality in the first place.

                                              It overlooks the fact Mr Blair pushed a wavering Clinton into taking action in Kosovo, and that he also decided to act on his own to prevent another Rwanda-type bloodbath in Sierra Leone.

                                              A British government that thought Afghanistan was only America's problem would have been a shameful and stupid one. There's nothing to apologise about in being an American ally at this moment: it belongs in the better tradition of the Labour Party's internationalism.

                                              ISOLATIONISM also overlooks the fact that Britain has friends and interests of its own in the region, as well as a long and deep connection with Iraq, and a correspondingly large stake in the outcome.

                                              Just on the material aspect - I love it when people darkly describe the coming intervention as "blood for oil", or equivalent gibberish.

                                              Does this mean what it appears to mean, namely that oil is not worth fighting over?

                                              Or that it's no cause for alarm that the oil resources of the region are permanently menaced by a crazy sadist who has already invaded two of his neighbours? There is another base rumour in circulation, to the effect that Bush is doing all this for electoral reasons.

                                              It's hard to imagine a sillier or nastier suggestion: the American public does not want a war and, as usual, prefers a quiet life.

                                              Every newspaper in the country reflects this mood, and prints a huge daily output of misgivings.

                                              But one proof of the worthwhileness of this enterprise is its riskiness. Nobody can guarantee a successful outcome, and both Bush and Blair know they could face great reproach for failure.

                                              But the long period of unwise vacillation and moral neutrality seems to be drawing to a close, and this is a good thing in itself.

                                              Christopher Hitchens is a columnist for Vanity Fair.

                                              http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews...l&siteid=50143
                                              Google his name to see who he is... LOL
                                              I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                              But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                              • Nysus
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Rich
                                                By democratic I assume you mean people who still believe in democracy? You're right, democratic people do hate a fascists like Bush.
                                                Cheers,
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                                                • bad_girl
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                                                  • Sep 2002
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                                                  #25
                                                  With anything you take anything that is heard with a grain of salt - you formulate your own opinions.

                                                  Besides, I would think Moore is more credible than CNN.




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                                                  • Magnus
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                                                    • Dec 2002
                                                    • 1211

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by BustIt
                                                    The French want to believe it.

                                                    As long as it's anti-Bush, it's a masterpiece as far as the panty-waisted French are concerned.

                                                    Any book that is anti-American is an instant best-seller in France. That is a proven fact.
                                                    A few of the judges were American and from the rest of the world, it's only held in France.
                                                    Magnus

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                                                    • Nysus
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                                                      • Aug 2001
                                                      • 7817

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Webby
                                                      BustIt:

                                                      When you consider the "French" hosted the Cannes Film Festival, as they do each year, and the audience were not "French", but an assembly of international film makers showing their product, - I doubt you can claim the "French want to believe it". That idea seems to only currently seem to be oozing from the propaganda from the US admin - ie the "French" are our "enemies" bullshit. The "French" don't give a shit generally. Talk about "US haters" - there sure seem to be enough "French haters" in the US - pathetic!

                                                      The book is "anti-American" is it??? DUH!! Grow up!!
                                                      All replies for the Bush administration are based on misunderstanding or not knowing the right information / all the inormation. That's pretty much the cause for all problems in the world.

                                                      Cheers,
                                                      Matt
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                                                      Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*

                                                      See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645

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                                                      • imafuckingaussie
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                                                        • Jul 2003
                                                        • 1497

                                                        #28
                                                        Michael Moores work will come across as anti American to a lot of people, and hence will create some haters. Expect to see a huge amount of haters in the following weeks, most of them patriotic Americans who cant see the wolf in sheeps clothing.

                                                        You can get it ploughing a paddock, you can get it makin some porn sites, matter of fact I've got it now.

                                                        For a hard earned thrist, you need a big cold beer.

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                                                        • titmowse
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                                                          #29
                                                          "All that foreign oil controlling American soil,
                                                          Look around you, it's just bound to make you embarrassed.
                                                          Sheiks walkin' around like kings, wearing fancy jewels and nose rings,
                                                          Deciding America's future from Amsterdam and to Paris
                                                          And there's a slow, slow train comin' up around the bend.

                                                          Man's ego is inflated, his laws are outdated, they don't apply no more,
                                                          You can't rely no more to be standin' around waitin'
                                                          In the home of the brave, Jefferson turnin' over in his grave,
                                                          Fools glorifying themselves, trying to manipulate Satan
                                                          And there's a slow, slow train comin' up around the bend.

                                                          Big-time negotiators, false healers and woman haters,
                                                          Masters of the bluff and masters of the proposition
                                                          But the enemy I see wears a cloak of decency,
                                                          All non-believers and men stealers talkin' in the name of religion
                                                          And there's a slow, slow train comin' up around the bend.

                                                          People starving and thirsting, grain elevators are bursting
                                                          Oh, you know it costs more to store the food than it do to give it.
                                                          They say lose your inhibitions, follow your own ambitions,
                                                          They talk about a life of brotherly love, show me someone who knows how to
                                                          live it. There's a slow, slow train comin' up around the bend..."
                                                          -- Dylan
                                                          I still love everybody

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                                                          • Reak
                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                            • Mar 2003
                                                            • 17920

                                                            #30
                                                            Thanks for sharing

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                                                            • BustIt
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by sacX
                                                              this was pasted days ago, as i said then ;). No doubt there will be valid criticism of Michael Moore's film, this however is not it.
                                                              Interesting. How about valid *praise*?

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                                                              • Bansheelinks
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                                                                #32
                                                                Michael Moore=Mad Cow Disease

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                                                                • BustIt
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Webby
                                                                  BustIt:



                                                                  When you consider the "French" hosted the Cannes Film Festival, as they do each year, and the audience were not "French", but an assembly of international film makers showing their product, - I doubt you can claim the "French want to believe it". That idea seems to only currently seem to be oozing from the propaganda from the US admin - ie the "French" are our "enemies" bullshit. The "French" don't give a shit generally. Talk about "US haters" - there sure seem to be enough "French haters" in the US - pathetic!

                                                                  The book is "anti-American" is it??? DUH!! Grow up!!
                                                                  So I wasn't aware of the voting dynamics at the Cannes Fetival? GROW UP! That wasn't my primary evidence for the French being anti-American.

                                                                  It is a FACT that the no 1 bestseller in France SHORTLY after 9/11 was an allegation that the NYTC attacks were actually an American right-wing conspiracy. NO 1 bestseller. The French ate it up.

                                                                  Not long after an (objective) Frenchman (not too many of those) wrote a book that tore that one apart and refuted it page by page. Sold far less, because the French did not want to hear it. The French are Player Haters.

                                                                  Remember Villepin's response when he was asked if he wanted the US to win the war against Saddam? *No comment* was his response.

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                                                                  • BustIt
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Phoenix
                                                                    history will record michael moore as the aldous huxley of our time

                                                                    and in the meantime he is getting paid

                                                                    whats not to like
                                                                    In the sense of someone who experimented heavily with drugs, especially while working, yes.

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                                                                    • BustIt
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Rich
                                                                      lol

                                                                      Quoting Vanity Fair whilte rying to discredit the BBC and the NYT. lol, Bush apologists get more and more pathetic by the day.
                                                                      Bush doesn't need an apologist (except that actually he has been too soft), and while I cant' speak for VF, the BBC and the NYT have acquired a terrible reputation for pushing a far-left (read: anti-reality) agenda.

                                                                      No one concerned with the truth takes the NY Times seriously.--or the BBC.

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                                                                      • xxxdesign-net
                                                                        My hips don't lie
                                                                        • Nov 2002
                                                                        • 10129

                                                                        #36
                                                                        haha.. this guy is an obsessed clown... he tries to argue every single attack on Bush like a true republican fanatic would do ... with arguments as solid as..

                                                                        "The president is also captured in a well-worn TV news clip, on a golf course, making a boilerplate response to a question on terrorism and then asking the reporters to watch his drive. Well, that's what you get if you catch the president on a golf course. If Eisenhower had done this, as he often did, it would have been presented as calm statesmanship. If Clinton had done it, as he often did, it would have shown his charm."

                                                                        Going out of his way to defend Bush on that 5 sec. piece of tape with desperate arguments.. just expose him as an obsses one sided fool... exactly what he blames Moore for...

                                                                        And for the record...I think Moore is far from perfect..
                                                                        Last edited by xxxdesign-net; 06-23-2004, 02:12 PM.

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                                                                        • BustIt
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Paul Waters
                                                                          I think it causing a lot of pro Bush people to get very concerned.

                                                                          They must be highly motivated to whatever they can to discredit Moore and his movie.

                                                                          Lies and liars are repugnant to the pro-Bush people.

                                                                          Bowling for Columbine established his reputation as a producer of pseudo-documentaries.

                                                                          (removed the sig , had it set on auto -- i am concerned only with the defense of truth and not with making money)

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                                                                          • BustIt
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
                                                                            haha.. this guy is an obsessed clown... he tries to argue every single attack on Bush like a true republican fanatic would do ... with arguments as solid as..

                                                                            "The president is also captured in a well-worn TV news clip, on a golf course, making a boilerplate response to a question on terrorism and then asking the reporters to watch his drive. Well, that's what you get if you catch the president on a golf course. If Eisenhower had done this, as he often did, it would have been presented as calm statesmanship. If Clinton had done it, as he often did, it would have shown his charm."

                                                                            Going out of his way to defend Bush on that 5 sec. piece of tape with desperate arguments.. just expose him as an obsses one sided fool... exactly what he blames Moore for...

                                                                            And for the record...I think Moore is far from perfect..
                                                                            Actually, I'm just bored.

                                                                            What 5 sec piece of tape?

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                                                                            • JohnnyUtah
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              BustIt - Your full of shit "The French are Player Haters"
                                                                              What the fuck are you talking about? Bush is the player in the sense of this sentence? Can I please have what your smoking?

                                                                              Your full of shit
                                                                              So is your government...
                                                                              Last edited by JohnnyUtah; 06-23-2004, 02:25 PM.

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                                                                              • xxxdesign-net
                                                                                My hips don't lie
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                                                                                • 10129

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by BustIt
                                                                                Actually, I'm just bored.

                                                                                What 5 sec piece of tape?
                                                                                what he is describing in the quote...

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                                                                                • BustIt
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by JohnnyUtah
                                                                                  BustIt - Your full of shit "The French are Player Haters"
                                                                                  What the fuck are you talking about? Bush is the player in the sense of this sentence? Can I please have what your smoking?

                                                                                  Your full of shit
                                                                                  So is your government...
                                                                                  Power envy. America is the main Player. Much of Europe's anti-Americanism is simply a neurotic attempt to compensate for its loss of status since WWII.

                                                                                  Here are links to the conspiracy theory spoken of:
                                                                                  http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Ar...386220,00.html

                                                                                  And here's a good quote from:
                                                                                  http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=11759

                                                                                  Now with all this in mind, how can one expect French people not to be anti-American? Such brainwashing is ubiquitous, from the press to TV networks and books, presenting only one choice: to hate us. When another point of view, favorable to the US, comes along, it is not publicized at all. For example Alain Hertoghe, a journalist from the Christian daily newspaper, La Croix, wrote a book entitled An All-Out War: How the Press Misinformed Us on Iraq. He did not get any press coverage, any publicity. Why? Because his outstanding book shows extensively and statistically how the French press took sides during the war in Iraq. Studying the five major French newspapers, he found out that out of 164 titles about Iraq, 135 were actually against Bush (?the irresponsible, violent, imperialist, fundamentalist? American leader) and only 29 against Saddam Hussein. Furthermore, he proves how the French press lied in reporting the situation on the ground in Iraq just to justify their anti-Americanism. What do you think happened to Hertoghe after the publishing of this book? He was fired, a few weeks ago, by La Croix for obvious reasons: criticizing the French press does not go well; if only he could have done like everybody else and smeared America?


                                                                                  France has a long history of anti-Americanism, which has now turned into an obsession. Everything negative occurring in the planet, or for that matter even in France, is the fault of the USA. Blame it on America has turned into a national sport.


                                                                                  The main origin for that feeling is the media and the intellectual crowd. But, contrary to what is happening in the US, it is not only confined to the Left. Everyone from the Greens to the Center to the Right and the Far Right agree on only one statement: America is EVIL.

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                                                                                  • Joe Citizen
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by BustIt
                                                                                    Lies and liars are repugnant to the pro-Bush people.

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                                                                                    • BustIt
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
                                                                                      haha.. this guy is an obsessed clown... he tries to argue every single attack on Bush like a true republican fanatic would do ... with arguments as solid as..

                                                                                      "The president is also captured in a well-worn TV news clip, on a golf course, making a boilerplate response to a question on terrorism and then asking the reporters to watch his drive. Well, that's what you get if you catch the president on a golf course. If Eisenhower had done this, as he often did, it would have been presented as calm statesmanship. If Clinton had done it, as he often did, it would have shown his charm."

                                                                                      Going out of his way to defend Bush on that 5 sec. piece of tape with desperate arguments.. just expose him as an obsses one sided fool... exactly what he blames Moore for...

                                                                                      And for the record...I think Moore is far from perfect..
                                                                                      haha.. this guy is an obsessed clown... he tries to argue every single attack on Bush like a true republican fanatic would do ... with arguments as solid as.
                                                                                      Who is *this guy*? Me, or the guy speaking in the tape? Make yourself clear man. If you can think clearly you can write clearly.


                                                                                      And for the record...I think Moore is far from perfect..

                                                                                      That's a massive understatement....


                                                                                      The following shows that he's a hypocrite, a liar, an unscrupulous opportunist, self-righteous, self-absorbed....

                                                                                      It's about his efforts to get the rating of his movie switched from R to PG-13, and how those efforts contradict his ideology.


                                                                                      http://www.techcentralstation.com/061704C.html

                                                                                      Capitalist Populist

                                                                                      I'm sure Mr. Moore will not accept my suggestions. He's going to do whatever it takes to get more media attention and get more money for himself. In fact, he encouraging kids under 17 to lie about their age and see the movie anyway. (That way, he gets paid more.) Although he advocates income redistribution on TV, in real life he's a shrewd and selfish business man, a fat Gordon Gekko in a baseball cap.

                                                                                      http://www.techcentralstation.com/061704C.html

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                                                                                      • Webby
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        BustIt:

                                                                                        So I wasn't aware of the voting dynamics at the Cannes Fetival?
                                                                                        Clearly not.

                                                                                        This was your response to an earlier post:

                                                                                        quote:
                                                                                        --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                                                        Originally posted by Magnus3X
                                                                                        yeah it got slammed in Caans with the Palm D'or.
                                                                                        --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                                                                                        The French want to believe it.

                                                                                        As long as it's anti-Bush, it's a masterpiece as far as the panty-waisted French are concerned.
                                                                                        Are the "voting dynamics" at the Cannes Film Festival now the views of the "panty-waisted French"??

                                                                                        Don't talk such shit! Youv'e got the US disease of knowing little but talking a lot.
                                                                                        XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                                                                                        • BustIt
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Webby
                                                                                          BustIt:



                                                                                          Clearly not.

                                                                                          This was your response to an earlier post:



                                                                                          Are the "voting dynamics" at the Cannes Film Festival now the views of the "panty-waisted French"??

                                                                                          Don't talk such shit! Youv'e got the US disease of knowing little but talking a lot.
                                                                                          The point is that that was irrelevant! You've got the European disease of knowing little and thinkiing less.

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                                                                                          • weaselbrains
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            So if you disagree with the government you are unpatriotic and anti-American?

                                                                                            Patriotism is caring about a COUNTRY - not the government who runs it.

                                                                                            America is a joke anyway - Bush LOST the election and still gets into office, two weeks later its forgotten about.
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                                                                                            • Porn4abuck
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                                                                                              #47
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                                                                                              • Webby
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                BustIt:

                                                                                                BTW... Just in case you are not aware and rely on Chris Hitchens for your bullshit.

                                                                                                This is a man who actively cultivates contraversy from the days he was a columnist for the UK gutter press writing crap about what socialite was seen by whoever and how he "personally knows everyone" of relevance. This truth is, any person of "relevance" would not be seen dead within 10 miles of the supercilious arrogant asshole.

                                                                                                Since these days he has written some books and "escaped" to the US and delivered his fantasies there - seems like he has more chance of being believed there.

                                                                                                He is now being dragged on to the US media as a "commentator" on any subject you care to mention. Sure is a good fountain of information who exceeds any attempts by Michael Moore at contraversy.

                                                                                                BTW.. I know two people who worked with him - they are of the same opinion.

                                                                                                Quit reading shit like Vanity Fair and get real!
                                                                                                XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                                                                                                • Webby
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  BustIt:

                                                                                                  The point is that that was irrelevant! You've got the European disease of knowing little and thinkiing less.
                                                                                                  Why did you introduce the "French" with:

                                                                                                  The French want to believe it.

                                                                                                  As long as it's anti-Bush, it's a masterpiece as far as the panty-waisted French are concerned.
                                                                                                  when "that was irrelevant"?? DUH??

                                                                                                  Once again, you have this US disease, who said I was "European"?? Clearly you know little but assume a lot.

                                                                                                  What a fucking stupid thread

                                                                                                  Peace out!
                                                                                                  XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                                                                                                  • BustIt
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by weaselbrains

                                                                                                    So if you disagree with the government you are unpatriotic and anti-American?

                                                                                                    Moore isn't disagreeing, he's mis-leading. He calls this a documentary, but a documentary is a presentation of facts. This is election year propaganda thinly veiled and presented as an objective exercise in reporting.


                                                                                                    Patriotism is caring about a COUNTRY - not the government who runs it.

                                                                                                    I agree. I just happen to believe that Bush is doing the right thing.--that his policies are the best thing for the COUNTRY. Although I disagree with the religious stuff.


                                                                                                    America is a joke anyway - Bush LOST the election and still gets into office, two weeks later its forgotten about.

                                                                                                    You must read the NY Times. Bush did win the election. We have an electoral college system here, but of course the Democrats believe the rules should be changed for them.

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