We are simply energy that can not be lost or gained

Good enough explanation.

How do you feel about the cosmic string theory (atomic string?)? Those vibrating sub-atomic particles that flex and vibrate like guitar strings? Thats some cool stuff.

We are a random collection of molecules that have collided into one place.

heavy, im out of this thread

I wish I had as much energy as you. lol Thats all I know.

a 747 loaded with 2 tons of birds is flying at 34,000 ft.

Suddendly, all the birds break free and begin flying inside the airplane.
Does the plane become 2 tons lighter?

lol @ fusion

I just wanna know if some of those birds are air marshalls

hmmmmmmmmm, if thats the case we have all collided but once the body is gone what is left? A new combination? There are only X number of combinations that can occur. My question to you is where do we go from there?

We are recycled.
We are just carbon. Once we die we are released into the world again into whatever. Plants... trees.... go into water. Whatever.

The monucules connect with the monucules in the air, ground ect At least that is what I think. If you say we are simpy energie, that would sugest that a monucule is part of that energie, because it has been proved that our bodies are that. So it that case you are both right

Very true Tom thats some way kewl stuff!!!

So are you to say that they have a limited lifespan, by vibrating and giving off energy? Please go further

The spirit is energy. It has been documented that when a person dies their body weight drops by something like 4 ounces.

Everything is energy. Some energy is mass , like us, some is massless. That makes up the universe.

I don't plan on being alive too much longer, so if I can, I'll come back and tell you.

So you agree with me!

No , their resonance determines what they are,, i.e. photon, quarks, etc

4 ounces?? lol

its like 13 grams or something tiny, whatever that movie name is.

Could that not be because the body looses water and you ( sorry don;t know the english word shitcanal (?) ) is emptied? I do believe in the soul, but energy is weightless right?

I'm interested what's Mary34d's view on this subject

This thread makes me laugh and cry at the same time.

Very true but easily forgotten if you have "lost" a loved one and think they are gone


barbie, I think this thread needs a couple of "vibrating particles" pics from you to more fully illustrate your views on Quantum Theory

Well.. According to the string theory, strings are the universes most basic, elemental material. They vibrate in different ways and can join and break apart to form different elemental particles that make up the universe and every bit of matter/energy..
It's theorized that there are 11 dimensions (basically), time is one of the dimmensions, and it's believed that some of the others are too small to detect with current equipment.
It's really wild stuff.

So when you die, it's possible that other strings combine with whatever energy is left of you, turning "you" into something else.

Hmm.. fusion was right, this is too deep

Yes true we are carbon, i believe our bodies are rented they do not make us what we are.


My question here to everyone is So what happens to our *minds/spirits* they are lost once the body is no longer working?

And reality is only the perceptions of your senses.

Think long on that one.

Are you lost when you throw out an old worn out coat?

Nope, you just get another one or move to a warmer climate

Ah. Death. Nothing... I Don't believe we are spiritual beings in any way. I don't think we have any sort of secret invisible life force. We just die.

No the plane does not become 2 tons lighter. The downforce of the air due to the flapping of the birds wing to stay aloft equals the birds body weight. This compensates for the birds leaving their seat. Do I win?

Your mind is your brian and that dies when you do. Spirits exist only in belief, and you body is simply converted into other forms of energy.

I once wrote a paper based on that very thing.
Reality is what is contained within your 5 senses, anything beyond that is an unconscious creation of your own mind, or what some people call their "6th sense."

This is why you can think of a song, and turn on the radio and that song will be playing, or you can think of a friend you haven't seen in years and suddenly the phone will ring... it's them.

Anything beyond the limits of your 5 senses does not exist.

Unless someone has been dead and came back to post here, nobody knows that answer. I believe we will be reborn as long as we need to learn, and when we learned enough we will be part of a force that helpes people who still live to learn and tries to protect them ( god if you want to give it a name)

Maybe the residual electrical energy in your brain is sucked into the nearest lightbulb
That would suck

When you die you just die. Your body takes on another form of energy and there is nothing. No afterlife, no mystical beings guiding you to the light...

...It is the humans need to feel more worthy than it actually is that creates the illusion that something this great can't just come to an end. There must be something more. Unfortunately, there isn't.

Yup, everyone is percieving a totally different reality based on what their senses have picked up since they were born.

I wish I had a link for that video on people throwing the balls. It shows really well that what we expect to see and what is the real picture are two different things.

Or the claim that the Aztecs could not physically see the Conquistadores ships since it wasn't in their perceptual reality and was therefore rejected by their conscious mind.

so if we are energy that can not be lost or gained only transferred!!!!

Here is the icq I got from g0d on this subject....a while back...

Me 4/6/2004 1:22 PM mornin

g0d 4/6/2004 1:23 PM How you doin'...


Me 4/6/2004 1:23 PM not good

Me 4/6/2004 1:25 PM fucking depressed again today

g0d 4/6/2004 1:25 PM Shit happens...make the effort you can make
and realize in the span of space and
time...we're just babies.

g0d 4/6/2004 1:25 PM What can I do...

Me 4/6/2004 1:26 PM nuthin' I gues.... guess I just gotta ride it
out

g0d 4/6/2004 1:27 PM Yeah man...living...its the only game going.


g0d 4/6/2004 1:28 PM You're gonna think I'm weird but...

g0d 4/6/2004 1:29 PM An eternity ago there was a single point of
existence...it was all that was, all that ever
had been and all that ever would be. And it
was aware of this.


Me 4/6/2004 1:30 PM hmmm

g0d 4/6/2004 1:30 PM It was the everything and the nothing. Some
call it god.

g0d 4/6/2004 1:30 PM It felt that a life being all that was, is,
would be...was quite frankly...boring.

Me 4/6/2004 1:31 PM deep

g0d 4/6/2004 1:31 PM It decided to shatter itself into infinite
pieces.

*BOOM*

The big bang happened.

g0d 4/6/2004 1:32 PM Its feeling was that in oder to bask in the
coolness that being everything that was, is,
would be...could be...it needed a way to live
that, feel that, experience that...

g0d 4/6/2004 1:33 PM Thus by way of division it could allow all
that was to know all that was...as bit and
pieces of itself collided, and interacted with
other bits and pieces of itself it could
experience itself from every angle.

g0d 4/6/2004 1:34 PM These pieces that shattered outwardly,
infinitely are all that is...dirt, dogs, cats,
planets, people, farts, etc....

Me 4/6/2004 1:35 PM that's pretty heavy man

g0d 4/6/2004 1:35 PM It then found that this was not enough...it
was experiencing itself on every imaginable
level, on every possible order, on every
possible dimension...


g0d 4/6/2004 1:36 PM but since it new what was what, who was
who...that it was it...it got bored again.
But this initial creation was so exciting for
the first time...it wanted to do it
again...over and over and over again...


g0d 4/6/2004 1:37 PM So it decided to forget itself.

g0d 4/6/2004 1:39 PM So, the process of re-creation continues each
and every second of every moment of now. The
process of assembling again each member of
itself...the re-membering, happens each and
every day, every second of every moment of
now.

g0d 4/6/2004 1:41 PM In each piece of itself is the ability to
enjoy fully, RECREATION and REMEMBERING. As
each piece realizes and remembers that it is
god, it is the it of it, the all of it, the
all of all...happiness and supreme joy is
found. Long lost friends become again a part
of the UNIT, they REUNITE.

g0d 4/6/2004 1:42 PM There is no death, no dying, good, bad, right,
wrong, left, right, evil, good, young,
old...only the process of remembering and
recreating the experience of coming to know
oneself.

g0d 4/6/2004 1:43 PM Scientists see this as one of the basic laws
of physics...matter cannot be created nor
destroyed, it only changes forms. But with
each change a memory, an imprint is left...

g0d 4/6/2004 1:44 PM This way the joy of remembering is supreme.
Something partially forgotten is recalled...

g0d 4/6/2004 1:49 PM All the memories, all the knowledge, all the
experiences of the it are stored in each
single fragment of it...the soul of everything
is connected...you are not you, you are not
hoax, you are god...a tiny fragment of
everything that is. A singularity of the
energy that rules and comprises the universe.
You cannot fail, you can refuse to play the
game. But its the only game going. The
sooner you choose to RE-MEMBER, the sooner you
choose to RE-CREATE by making the decision in
every second of every moment of now to become
the next and grander version of yourself is
the sooner you realize that its all a game,
its the only game going...and you make the
rules.

g0d 4/6/2004 1:49 PM Play. recreate. remember. make the rules.
Living. Its the only game going...

g0d 4/6/2004 1:51 PM In the span of time and space we are babies,
ever born unto a new moment of now...we have
chosen to forget who we are so that we can
have a blast remembering. Wake up, remember,
and recreate the next newest and grandest
version of you that you can possibly imagine.

g0d 4/6/2004 1:53 PM Fold your cards and you will find yourself at
another table, minus the ante, with the same
exact hand you had before. Ante up, play the
game, go all in.

g0d 4/6/2004 1:54 PM Call me when you're ready to remember.
I have all the answers, just
like you.

g0d 4/6/2004 1:54 PM I'm going to shower now...my ass stinks.

Once you create a thought or emotion it exists and is just as real as the chair you are sitting on

in Derek's best american Accent *HUH* ??

Yes

I think, therefore I am?

or even just plain

I

Yes it would seem that energy is weightless. I was wrong about the 4 ounces, it is actually three-fourths of an ounce. Here is an excerpt of one experiment.


The patient was under observation for three hours and forty minutes before death, lying on a bed arranged on a light framework built upon very delicately balanced platform beam scales.

The patient's comfort was looked after in every way, although he was practically moribund when placed upon the bed. He lost weight slowly at the rate of one ounce per hour due to evaporation of moisture in respiration and evaporation of sweat.

During all three hours and forty minutes I kept the beam end slightly above balance near the upper limiting bar in order to make the test more decisive if it should come.

At the end of three hours and forty minutes he expired and suddenly coincident with death the beam end dropped with an audible stroke hitting against the lower limiting bar and remaining there with no rebound. The loss was ascertained to be three-fourths of an ounce.

This loss of weight could not be due to evaporation of respiratory moisture and sweat, because that had already been determined to go on, in his case, at the rate of one sixtieth of an ounce per minute, whereas this loss was sudden and large, three-fourths of an ounce in a few seconds.

The bowels did not move; if they had moved the weight would still have remained upon the bed except for a slow loss by the evaporation of moisture depending, of course, upon the fluidity of the feces. The bladder evacuated one or two drams of urine. This remained upon the bed and could only have influenced the weight by slow gradual evaporation and therefore in no way could account for the sudden loss.

There remained but one more channel of loss to explore, the expiration of all but the residual air in the lungs. Getting upon the bed myself, my colleague put the beam at actual balance. Inspiration and expiration of air as forcibly as possible by me had no effect upon the beam. My colleague got upon the bed and I placed the beam at balance. Forcible inspiration and expiration of air on his part had no effect. In this case we certainly have an inexplicable loss of weight of three-fourths of an ounce. Is it the soul substance? How other shall we explain it?

Beautiful except for the stinky ass part

Of course... Yes it will get lighter.

Today young men on acid realized that all matter
is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration
that we are all one conciousness experiencing itself subjectively
there is no such thing as death
life is only dream
and we're the imagination of ourselves
here's Tom with the weather

Hehe, good thinking... But the downforce isn't equivalent to the body weight of the bird.

Nick I strongly disagree with you on this. When you die your physical self dies, your conscious self and your soul continue on.

Having spent 30 years researching this, I'm convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt this is the case.

Be it sight, sound, smell, or touch,
There's something inside, that we need so much.
The sight of a touch, or the scent of a sound,
Or the strength of an oak, with roots, deep in the ground.
The wonder of flowers, to be covered, and then to burst up,
Through tarmac, to the sun again, or to fly to the sun,
Without burning a wing, to lie in a meadow,
And hear the grass sing. To have all these things,
In our memories hoard, and to use them,
To help us, to find the lost chord...

So how does a soul perceive things?

Obviously not with sight, smell, hearing and touch... souls don't have a body.

That is strange for sure, but don't you think we had found the soul if it is a mass in your body? Or could it be invisible? But if it is invisible, where would it be? Docters have been in almost every part of the body where there could be something invisible right? So if they would toutch the soul they should feel it being there. Still strange that there was lost of bodyweight

Great