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  • Penrods
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    • Aug 2003
    • 19

    #1

    Discussion / The ultimate Hosting Company

    In a perfect world, describe the ultimate hosting company.

    Managed Services / Bandwidth / Prices / Machines / Reporting, etc
  • SquirtingCarly
    Confirmed User
    • Feb 2004
    • 359

    #2
    TechieMedia
    FatFuckingCash

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    • AdultNex
      Confirmed User
      • Feb 2003
      • 8985

      #3
      Support... Duh.

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      • Veterans Day
        Confirmed User
        • Jul 2003
        • 8403

        #4
        ISPRIME = NO Better in the biz
        Build a Massive Traffic Network, Hands FREE, Totally Automated

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        • GeorgeK
          Confirmed User
          • Dec 2003
          • 423

          #5
          Uptime is the most important factor to me, assuming the price is in line with others.
          I buy good domain names. Send lists to George (at) LOFFS.com

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          • Penrods
            Registered User
            • Aug 2003
            • 19

            #6
            What type of services would help you do your job better?

            Reporting?

            Managed?

            Bandwidth Prices?

            Control Panel Options?

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            • Martin
              "Assassins"
              • Dec 2001
              • 17274

              #7
              see sig

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              • Magg
                Confirmed User
                • Feb 2004
                • 4467

                #8
                FoundryNAP.com = Fully Managed and 24/7 Tech Support with a Fast Network.


                Hit me up if you want to talk about what we can do for you!

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                • Magg
                  Confirmed User
                  • Feb 2004
                  • 4467

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Penrods
                  What type of services would help you do your job better?

                  Reporting?

                  Managed?

                  Bandwidth Prices?

                  Control Panel Options?

                  Managed

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                  • lilj
                    Confirmed User
                    • Dec 2003
                    • 1536

                    #10
                    Originally posted by AdultNex
                    Support... Duh.

                    Does your network need a Reality Check? [ Find Out ]

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                    • Project-Shadow
                      Confirmed User
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 7340

                      #11
                      Phatservers are the crunk fo' shizzle!

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                      • SABAI
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jan 2001
                        • 2880

                        #12
                        the ultimate hosting company ? its the one in my sig

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                        • Penrods
                          Registered User
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 19

                          #13
                          Instead of just listing diffent hosting companies. Tell us why these companies your listing are the best at what they do.

                          What qualifications do they have to make them the best?

                          Is it their network?

                          Is it their staff?

                          Is it their prices?

                          Be specific as to why they are the best.

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                          • fris
                            I have to go potty
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 55882

                            #14
                            Originally posted by SquirtingCarly
                            TechieMedia
                            i just did a whois that they host ogrish. and they have load balancing :p so they are good in my books.
                            Since 1999: 69 Adult Industry awards for Best Hosting Company and professional excellence.


                            My Newest Theme

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                            • zagi
                              Confirmed User
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 1238

                              #15
                              Penrod, look you guys are at the ULTIMATE HOST no need to worry

                              but basically you need the following

                              redundant power -- check, they have diesel powered backup units which are tested yearly and proved 100% effective during 9/11 and blackout 2003

                              fast support -- check

                              server monitoring for your applications with techs that know how to respond to down services

                              A good price on bandwidth that takes into account support, upgrades, infrastructure and more

                              Hand holding for project expansion

                              Load balancing clustered setups for high performance / large operations

                              Multiple Internet Connections, sounds like you have all of the above So just sit back and enjoy your day, leave the hosting worries to your host
                              Managed US/NL Hosting [ [Reality Check Network ]
                              Dell XEON Servers + 1/2/3 TB Packages ICQ: 4-930-562

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                              • Raven
                                Confirmed User
                                • Jul 2001
                                • 6874

                                #16
                                http://www.mojohost.com/
                                Raven

                                ~RETIRED~

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                                • Penrods
                                  Registered User
                                  • Aug 2003
                                  • 19

                                  #17
                                  Thanks Zagi...

                                  To Everyone:

                                  I see a few hosting companies that others have posted. My question is WHY are they the best.


                                  What experience do they have? Any specifics?

                                  Skill set of current support staff. etc

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                                  • Fabuleux
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • May 2003
                                    • 2543

                                    #18
                                    ISPrime:
                                    Uptime: 9
                                    Network: 9
                                    Staff: 9
                                    Prices: 3
                                    Support: 9

                                    Jupiter Hosting:
                                    Uptime: 9
                                    Network: 8
                                    Staff: 10
                                    Prices: 7
                                    Support: 7

                                    Although the tickets go really fast, Jupiter really needs ICQ support. ISPrime is just way to expensive, but I like the ICQ support. Jupiter is my winner for price/performance.

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                                    • diesel
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Jan 2001
                                      • 1097

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Veterans Day
                                      ISPRIME = NO Better in the biz
                                      No one wont beat Isprime .. Its a classic hosting company

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                                      • Penrods
                                        Registered User
                                        • Aug 2003
                                        • 19

                                        #20
                                        Thanks Fabuleux.....

                                        It seems that everyone claims to be the best hosting company out there. I would think that the best hosting company out there would at least offer:

                                        * Own their own network

                                        * Top notch support (Techs with large amounts of experience dealing with adult clients, not new guys practicing on your boxes)

                                        * Have a staff that has years of experienced within the adult hosting sector. (Not just one guy that knows the business)

                                        * Have resources available in case of an emergency.

                                        * Offer a state of the art control panel as to reduce the amount of support tickets that would need to be sent.

                                        and I am sure there are few more.....

                                        Let me ask this question. Out of the list of hosting companies below. Who is the best and why?

                                        Rate the following:

                                        IS Prime
                                        Candidhosting
                                        WebAir
                                        Jupiter Hosting
                                        Server Beach
                                        Phat Servers
                                        XXXWebHosting
                                        Reflected Networks

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                                        • TheWildcard
                                          So Fucking Banned
                                          • Jun 2004
                                          • 4759

                                          #21
                                          ISPrime and EnvisioNext Host are pretty good.

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                                          • SABAI
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Jan 2001
                                            • 2880

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Penrods


                                            Is it their network?

                                            Is it their staff?

                                            Is it their prices?

                                            no kidding webair are the best for all of the above

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                                            • diesel
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Jan 2001
                                              • 1097

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Penrods
                                              Thanks Fabuleux.....

                                              It seems that everyone claims to be the best hosting company out there. I would think that the best hosting company out there would at least offer:

                                              * Own their own network

                                              * Top notch support (Techs with large amounts of experience dealing with adult clients, not new guys practicing on your boxes)

                                              * Have a staff that has years of experienced within the adult hosting sector. (Not just one guy that knows the business)

                                              * Have resources available in case of an emergency.

                                              * Offer a state of the art control panel as to reduce the amount of support tickets that would need to be sent.

                                              and I am sure there are few more.....

                                              Let me ask this question. Out of the list of hosting companies below. Who is the best and why?

                                              Rate the following:

                                              IS Prime
                                              Candidhosting
                                              WebAir
                                              Jupiter Hosting
                                              Server Beach
                                              Phat Servers
                                              XXXWebHosting
                                              Reflected Networks
                                              I can only rate Isprime since we use only them ..
                                              I had no even one downtime that was caused by Isprime network .. I always have great perfomance on the servers , their tech support ALWAYS online by ICQ or phone and when we need to add hardware or servers they always do it within one hour ..

                                              I dont need anthing else from hosting company ..

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                                              • Herb Kornfield
                                                Is on the 1
                                                • Sep 2002
                                                • 4996

                                                #24
                                                RealityCheckNetwork.com - The crew there has a realyl wide ranging technical knowledge and also, VER helpful to things that are far outside the norm when you think of tech support.

                                                They are located in one of the Telco hotels out there today in New York City.

                                                From working with them over 4 years now, These guys have their game down cold without having to wonder if they truly have the right answers.

                                                Pose any question to the RCN hosting crew on ANYTHING in the hosting world and you arent going to stump them. Not possible to do. I dare you, I double dog dare you.

                                                You'll see how tight their game is.

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                                                • {fusion}
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Sep 2003
                                                  • 1650

                                                  #25
                                                  depends on what your looking for, if your just after a cheap virtual account, your probably going to get the same results where ever you go as your sharing resources with many others.

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                                                  • body
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                    • 5017

                                                    #26
                                                    http://www.likewhoa.com/
                                                    The Goddess Of Steps

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                                                    • LikeWhoa!
                                                      Registered User
                                                      • Jun 2004
                                                      • 72

                                                      #27
                                                      We rock!

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                                                      • Huggles
                                                        GFY'S #1 retard
                                                        • Feb 2003
                                                        • 12619

                                                        #28
                                                        I would like to say Swiftwill.com


                                                        Dweeks, Mike, and Tristan at Swiftwill.com have been incredible! I have had no downtime in, oh, a year or more?

                                                        For any technical help, they are always available 24/7. I've even got help with stuff they don't even support, like my crappy html coding.

                                                        Their bandwidth is smoking fast, the service rocks, I've had no downtime, and they constantly go up and beyond the call of duty to constantly blow away my expectations of a host. I wouldn't even call them a host, I'd almost call them a support center.



                                                        Swiftwill.com baby.
                                                        https://3-veo.com/
                                                        The best AI video maker portal.

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                                                        • Nifield
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                          • 1345

                                                          #29
                                                          swiftwill.com is great!

                                                          top notch in my books.


                                                          ICQ9635421

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                                                          • WarChild
                                                            Let slip the dogs of war.
                                                            • Jan 2003
                                                            • 17263

                                                            #30
                                                            It's all about Swiftwill.com

                                                            If you're not hosting there .. You're paying too much, and not getting enough service with it.
                                                            .

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                                                            • Elli
                                                              Reach for those stars!
                                                              • Apr 2003
                                                              • 17991

                                                              #31
                                                              Phatservers has the most attentive and helpful support system I've dealt with. They're knowledgable, honest, and friendly and have fabulous uptime. And that's everything I would want in a hoster.

                                                              So they're my recommendation.
                                                              email: [email protected]

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                                                              • 50 Cent
                                                                Registered User
                                                                • Dec 2002
                                                                • 293

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Fabuleux
                                                                ISPrime:
                                                                Uptime: 9
                                                                Network: 9
                                                                Staff: 9
                                                                Prices: 3
                                                                Support: 9

                                                                Jupiter Hosting:
                                                                Uptime: 9
                                                                Network: 8
                                                                Staff: 10
                                                                Prices: 7
                                                                Support: 7

                                                                Although the tickets go really fast, Jupiter really needs ICQ support. ISPrime is just way to expensive, but I like the ICQ support. Jupiter is my winner for price/performance.
                                                                The reason jupiterhosting doesn't offer icq support is because they outsource their tech support to another company... So when you call in with a problem to their toll free number you are speaking to a non jupiterhosting employee but rather to a company that jupiter outsourced to handle their tech support...

                                                                Why? ... Well by outsourcing their tech support they are able to save about 50-75k per month...

                                                                Is it better for a webmaster? ... No because you are using a third party company that has 100s of clients like jupiterhosting, hence they treat you as just another number, where with a company that has their own in house tech team you get a personal touch and treatment.

                                                                I personaly think both organizations are good, but I pick ISprime as my Ultimate Hosting Company because of their network quality, uptime, staff (very clued) and support, as far as their pricing being higher - an outfit of their size with their own in house on site tech staff does cost more and I don't mind paying a little extra because they don't cut any corners on their business model starting from equipment to support I give them a perfect 10.

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                                                                • boneprone
                                                                  Hall Of Fame
                                                                  • Jan 2001
                                                                  • 34415

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Jupiter Webhosting

                                                                  Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones
                                                                  Bow to the Power - Still BP4L
                                                                  http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame
                                                                  Learn about it kids.

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                                                                  • boneprone
                                                                    Hall Of Fame
                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                    • 34415

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Ive had icq support many times with Jupiter.

                                                                    Fill out a ticket, but it at priority 1, and if anything is a huge prioriy issue or problem, icq communication is always there..

                                                                    Communication is NEVER a problem with Jupiter..

                                                                    In fact it is the best.. I have a great relationship with everyone there from the owner to the techs, to the sales, down to the guy who cleans the toilets..

                                                                    And they are the best..

                                                                    Even thier toilets are probably better and cleaner than any hosting company.. Thats how damn good they are.

                                                                    Jupiter is #1 in my book.

                                                                    God knows I work those tech harder than most.
                                                                    Im a real pain in the ass kinda client.. And they always do right by me everytime... And do it very verywell. Im a pretty demanding and frustrating person in real life off the boards, and jupiter has gone above an beyond my expectaions with service and quality.
                                                                    Last edited by boneprone; 06-21-2004, 01:02 PM.

                                                                    Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones
                                                                    Bow to the Power - Still BP4L
                                                                    http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame
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                                                                    • boneprone
                                                                      Hall Of Fame
                                                                      • Jan 2001
                                                                      • 34415

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Speaking of Toiliets, one of the dirtier toliets in the webhosting biz is that of Candid.. On the Candid Hosting Bus...

                                                                      I went there to take a monsterous shit one time, and it shot all over the walls..

                                                                      Till this day they have still yet been able to get those stains off the wall..

                                                                      Last I heard they were trying to sell the bus!!!

                                                                      Damn!!!




                                                                      Good guys there, just dont use the toilet on the bus.
                                                                      Last edited by boneprone; 06-21-2004, 01:06 PM.

                                                                      Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones
                                                                      Bow to the Power - Still BP4L
                                                                      http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame
                                                                      Learn about it kids.

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                                                                      • boneprone
                                                                        Hall Of Fame
                                                                        • Jan 2001
                                                                        • 34415

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Penrods
                                                                        In a perfect world, describe the ultimate hosting company.

                                                                        Managed Services / Bandwidth / Prices / Machines / Reporting, etc

                                                                        In a few words to answer your question, for me its a level of trust.

                                                                        Trusting and knowing that your host is there to represent your own best intrest and is there for you in a time of need ready to tackle your problem..

                                                                        Communication is big with me. Service.. Being able to babble a problem and having someone listen or consult your concerns and adresses them.

                                                                        This has alwasy been my biggest issue. Sure bandwith quality and all that are important as well, but many of the top companies use the good shit anyhow.. What distinguishes the top companies from the rest are the personal relationships and the levels of communication in a time of need, or even in a time when not needed just to know they are there at your disposal.

                                                                        Helps you sleep better at night knowing you are in good hands.

                                                                        Jupiter has been that good hand for me for quite sometime now..
                                                                        I dont see me ever leaving them.. The best.

                                                                        If they can handle me and my headaches they can handle anyone.

                                                                        Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones
                                                                        Bow to the Power - Still BP4L
                                                                        http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame
                                                                        Learn about it kids.

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                                                                        • boneprone
                                                                          Hall Of Fame
                                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                                          • 34415

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Penrods
                                                                          Instead of just listing diffent hosting companies. Tell us why these companies your listing are the best at what they do.

                                                                          What qualifications do they have to make them the best?

                                                                          Is it their network?

                                                                          Is it their staff?

                                                                          Is it their prices?

                                                                          Be specific as to why they are the best.
                                                                          The network has to be a given.. As it is with most GOOD hosting companies..

                                                                          The differences are the Staff and prices.. Get a good staff keeps the customer a long term customer.. Get good prices gets the clients in the door..

                                                                          They all go hand in hand.

                                                                          Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones
                                                                          Bow to the Power - Still BP4L
                                                                          http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame
                                                                          Learn about it kids.

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                                                                          • Big Ray
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Dec 2003
                                                                            • 464

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Thanks to all the folks who gave us kudos. i think that most people will tell you that tickets are handled here in seconds, not hours.

                                                                            50 CENT ? Unless you work here, or have even taken the time to talk to me and ask how things work, I don?t think you?re in a position to tell the world why we do what we do. If you would simply ICQ or call me, I would be happy to discuss this.

                                                                            Tech support is not outsourced at Jupiter, however, our call center is. The process is proven to be effective for both customers and staff, as well as being scalable. You can always, ALWAYS, ask to speak to someone at the data center when you call and your call will be directly routed.

                                                                            One of the worst possible things that can happen is for a customer to try and reach tech support and get a busy line, or worse, or no answer.

                                                                            As a result, we put up this first line of communication to triage phone calls. Their responsibility is to take the call, open a ticket, and assign it to the appropriate tech. Consider it like the telephone version of opening a ticket. It takes 30 seconds, and I guarantee your ticket is in the hands at someone at the data center within 90 seconds.

                                                                            We have a 24 X 7 on-site group at the data center that those tickets get assigned to. People like Ben, Randy, Pete, Shawn, Sean, or Jeff. You will always be assigned to a tech that will provide you with a direct dial telephone number and a personal ICQ UIN.

                                                                            I invite anyone to come down and check it out for yourself.

                                                                            In the end, You have to pick a hosting company that works with you.

                                                                            All the technical stuff is important, but ultimately, hosting is about the people. I know we have the best. Check it out.

                                                                            Five of the Top 10 Largest Programs Host with Jupiter. Find out why at http://www.jupiterhosting.com

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                                                                            • Penrods
                                                                              Registered User
                                                                              • Aug 2003
                                                                              • 19

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Boneprone, are you talking about an actual bus? Or the guys @ Candid?

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                                                                              • Fabuleux
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • May 2003
                                                                                • 2543

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Here are some live webcams of Jupiterhosting so you can see where Boneprone is talking about:
                                                                                http://cam1-colo7-spsc.jupiterhosting.com/
                                                                                http://cam2-colo7-spsc.jupiterhosting.com/

                                                                                Sorry, no cams of Poppy taking a piss, so I can't prove even the toilets are top notch

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                                                                                • MrIzzz
                                                                                  If u touch it, I will cum
                                                                                  • Sep 2003
                                                                                  • 22923

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  webair


                                                                                  their tech support is topnotch

                                                                                  their staff is easy to talk to and very helpful in walking through things with me.

                                                                                  absolutely minimal downtime

                                                                                  their price is affordable


                                                                                  and mike is a sexy mofo


                                                                                  WHO WANTS TO PLAY GRAB-ASS?

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                                                                                  • Poppy
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Apr 2002
                                                                                    • 6254

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by Fabuleux
                                                                                    Here are some live webcams of Jupiterhosting so you can see where Boneprone is talking about:
                                                                                    http://cam1-colo7-spsc.jupiterhosting.com/
                                                                                    http://cam2-colo7-spsc.jupiterhosting.com/

                                                                                    Sorry, no cams of Poppy taking a piss, so I can't prove even the toilets are top notch
                                                                                    VP Sales, Peak5Payments
                                                                                    [email protected] Skype: consultpoppy
                                                                                    In adult since 98'

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                                                                                    • justsexxx
                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                      • Aug 2001
                                                                                      • 13723

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      I have been at many hosts, and isprime is BY FAR the best.

                                                                                      The prices are not that high...Just tak to them by phone or ICQ, and they will cut you a nice deal..Also don;t forget they offer FULLY MANAGED hosting...Most out there don't do this..

                                                                                      Here are a few reasons why..

                                                                                      support---> 24/7/365.. I once needed support on Christmas, and there was a friendly guy helping me...(needed some trade script installed) ICQ in secs, mail in minutes, or phone(toll free)

                                                                                      uptime---> I only have been down for like 5-10 minutes in the last 3 year. That was when there was some routing error

                                                                                      network--->great BGP4+ routing...Simple the best route for every surfer that does a request on your page...ALso their tech support(and sales etc) are IN the DC itself...SO they can plug some hardware etc

                                                                                      staff--->long time in adult as well, many big players host at isprime...

                                                                                      and they offer a control panel(custom made) where you can add domains/emails/mysql etc..No cpanel crap...CUSTOM.

                                                                                      That are my 2 cents

                                                                                      Andre
                                                                                      Questions?

                                                                                      ICQ: 125184542

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                                                                                      • boneprone
                                                                                        Hall Of Fame
                                                                                        • Jan 2001
                                                                                        • 34415

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by Penrods
                                                                                        Boneprone, are you talking about an actual bus? Or the guys @ Candid?
                                                                                        ????

                                                                                        Wait..

                                                                                        Who are you??

                                                                                        I thought you were "Penrod"

                                                                                        You are using a name awfully close to his and also claim you are from Florida..

                                                                                        Who are you?

                                                                                        Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones
                                                                                        Bow to the Power - Still BP4L
                                                                                        http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame
                                                                                        Learn about it kids.

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                                                                                        • Veterans Day
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                                                          • 8403

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by justsexxx
                                                                                          I have been at many hosts, and isprime is BY FAR the best.

                                                                                          The prices are not that high...Just tak to them by phone or ICQ, and they will cut you a nice deal..Also don;t forget they offer FULLY MANAGED hosting...Most out there don't do this..

                                                                                          Here are a few reasons why..

                                                                                          support---> 24/7/365.. I once needed support on Christmas, and there was a friendly guy helping me...(needed some trade script installed) ICQ in secs, mail in minutes, or phone(toll free)

                                                                                          uptime---> I only have been down for like 5-10 minutes in the last 3 year. That was when there was some routing error

                                                                                          network--->great BGP4+ routing...Simple the best route for every surfer that does a request on your page...ALso their tech support(and sales etc) are IN the DC itself...SO they can plug some hardware etc

                                                                                          staff--->long time in adult as well, many big players host at isprime...

                                                                                          and they offer a control panel(custom made) where you can add domains/emails/mysql etc..No cpanel crap...CUSTOM.

                                                                                          That are my 2 cents

                                                                                          Andre
                                                                                          Noone compares, Denis and Henry got that place humming nicely
                                                                                          Build a Massive Traffic Network, Hands FREE, Totally Automated

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                                                                                          • justsexxx
                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                            • Aug 2001
                                                                                            • 13723

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            BTW check out the isprime site


                                                                                            <title> ISPrime Managed Services - The Ultimate Hosting Company</title>


                                                                                            End of discussion
                                                                                            Questions?

                                                                                            ICQ: 125184542

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                                                                                            • boneprone
                                                                                              Hall Of Fame
                                                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                                                              • 34415

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              penrods is not penrod..

                                                                                              is there a reason you chose this user name?

                                                                                              Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones
                                                                                              Bow to the Power - Still BP4L
                                                                                              http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame
                                                                                              Learn about it kids.

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                                                                                              • Arty
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Nov 2002
                                                                                                • 880

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Jupiter

                                                                                                Proof? My first year is almost up with them and I'm not going anywhere. FYI, I'm very picky when it comes to my biz.

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