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  • AaronM
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    • Oct 2001
    • 46917

    #1

    So...You want a cheap designer huh?

    This just came through my ICQ:

    [14:22] EDITED: ugh.... EDITED had a cheap "non-english" designer do our new stuff. Looks great but man... it's some bad engrish.

    Something to think about.....
  • pornstar2pac
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    • Nov 2003
    • 17380

    #2
    sig spot.


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    • AaronM
      GFY Royality ;)
      • Oct 2001
      • 46917

      #3
      [14:24] EDITED: "Forefill all your foot fetish fantasy with... "
      [14:24] EDITED: That's the tag line he put into the design.
      [14:24] AaronM: lol
      [14:25] EDITED: "click here to see more movie & instant access"

      huh? more movie? just one?
      [14:25] AaronM: Too funny.

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      • Doc911
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        • Feb 2004
        • 3695

        #4
        everybody keep fucking hiring outsource. some day you'll understand that you get what you pay for


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        • pornguy
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          • Mar 2003
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          #5
          I live in Mexico, and do design work, but mostly mainstream. The other day, someone was trying to take one of my customers right in front of me. They were telling her that they cold do her site for 2/3rds the cost. They said that they are cheaper, becuase they use Mexican designers and programmers. She told them that she would think about it, and get back to them. They left her a flyer, that she handed to me that had 3 misspells in english, and very poor grammar. Not that mine is the best, but it checked before delivery!!!
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          • iwantchixx
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            • Oct 2002
            • 12860

            #6
            You get what you pay for. it's as simple as that.

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            • Fletch XXX
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              • Jan 2002
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              #7
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              • DarkJedi
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                • Feb 2001
                • 28301

                #8
                Originally posted by iwantchixx
                You get what you pay for. it's as simple as that.
                I totally agree.

                I just got a paysite design delivered to me by WebInc.
                It was expensive and I had to wait in line for a month before they started working on it, but HOLY SHIT, am I glad i went with them.

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                • Tat2Jr
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                  • Feb 2001
                  • 4882

                  #9
                  Originally posted by DarkJedi
                  I totally agree.

                  I just got a paysite design delivered to me by WebInc.
                  It was expensive and I had to wait in line for a month before they started working on it, but HOLY SHIT, am I glad i went with them.
                  I've always felt this way about webinc designs myself. Love their work.
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                  • Shooting_Manic
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                    • Jan 2005
                    • 1740

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Doc911
                    everybody keep fucking hiring outsource. some day you'll understand that you get what you pay for
                    Yep! It amazes me how clueless they are. If you cant carry on a conversation in my native tongue then I dont want to talk to you.

                    Outsourcing may be cheap, but it will cost them in the end, one way or another.
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                    • Antonio
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                      • Oct 2001
                      • 14136

                      #11
                      haha

                      Americans are scared shitlles of the outsoursing trend!

                      That's why you see al the threads lately - all of them saying that all the ousorced work is of inferior quality, which is absolute CRAP. Yes, you can get a cheap designer that can do great job for you, the same applies for programmers, gallery builders etc.

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                      • Shooting_Manic
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                        • Jan 2005
                        • 1740

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Antonio
                        haha

                        Americans are scared shitlles of the outsoursing trend!

                        That's why you see al the threads lately - all of them saying that all the ousorced work is of inferior quality, which is absolute CRAP. Yes, you can get a cheap designer that can do great job for you, the same applies for programmers, gallery builders etc.
                        Nothing to do with being scared. Total BS. It has to do with keeping our jobs at home and supporting our own economy. No question the quality can be as good. However, it is annoying to talk to some guy or girl that has serious problems with English.

                        Buy American. Thats not a new concept here in the States.
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                        • MikeVega
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                          • Jul 2004
                          • 12788

                          #13
                          We use a Russian guy and he speaks pretty good English .... but sometimes he sends over some funny text on his designs ....

                          Just out of curiosity what do you guys think is good pay for a full time web designer in Russia ... in US dollars per month? I wont say what i pay him but i want to see if I'm on point ....


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                          • Babaganoosh
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                            • Nov 2001
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Antonio
                            haha

                            Americans are scared shitlles of the outsoursing trend!

                            That's why you see al the threads lately - all of them saying that all the ousorced work is of inferior quality, which is absolute CRAP. Yes, you can get a cheap designer that can do great job for you, the same applies for programmers, gallery builders etc.
                            Scared of what? Foreign outsourcing is OK for some things but I sure as hell wouldn't hire them to do anything English-speaking surfers will see. I guess I am a little scared...scared of foreign outsourcing people making me look like an idiot with their barely passable understanding of the English language.
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                            • beemk
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                              • Jan 2002
                              • 20829

                              #15
                              i got a great designer that does my galleries pretty cheap, every time i always have to give him the new text to change it to. i'm still pretty happy because a good gallery designer that can get something done in a day or two and isnt booked is hard enough to come by.
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                              • DarkJedi
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                                • Feb 2001
                                • 28301

                                #16
                                Originally posted by mvega325
                                We use a Russian guy and he speaks pretty good English .... but sometimes he sends over some funny text on his designs ....

                                Just out of curiosity what do you guys think is good pay for a full time web designer in Russia ... in US dollars per month? I wont say what i pay him but i want to see if I'm on point ....
                                You should decide his salary based on the quality of work he does. Not on where he is from.

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                                • baddog
                                  So Fucking Banned
                                  • Apr 2001
                                  • 107089

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Antonio
                                  haha

                                  Americans are scared shitlles of the outsoursing trend!

                                  That's why you see al the threads lately - all of them saying that all the ousorced work is of inferior quality, which is absolute CRAP. Yes, you can get a cheap designer that can do great job for you, the same applies for programmers, gallery builders etc.

                                  Your spelling is exactly what this topic is about.

                                  Everyone outsources, outsourcing does not mean leaving the country, it means having someone that is not inhouse do the work for you.

                                  Spelling errors in design work is inexcusable. I have an Indian doing coding for me, and he does very good work, but luckily I can go back and clean up his spelling errors because I do not have to open a psd file to do so.

                                  I would never have a foreigner do any kind of text work for me . . . there are few people that speak English fluently that I would trust with my text work however.

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                                  • Fletch XXX
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                                    • Jan 2002
                                    • 60840

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by baddog

                                    I would never have a foreigner do any kind of text work for me . . . there are few people that speak English fluently that I would trust with my text work however.
                                    me do text you for price half the others

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                                    • baddog
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                                      • Apr 2001
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                                      me do text you for price half the others
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                                      • MikeVega
                                        **Porntrepreneur**
                                        • Jul 2004
                                        • 12788

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                        You should decide his salary based on the quality of work he does. Not on where he is from.
                                        You can see the quality of his work on www.mobbucks.com he's done all our sites. there is no doubt that his work is good. but there is a down side to having a guy in Russia .... the time zone ... it's not always easy to get him when i need something fast ... and it is sometimes hard to explain what you want ...it would be easier to have someone in the states that i could just call.

                                        So what i should ask is how much should a good full time web designer make in the US?


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                                        • DarkJedi
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                                          • Feb 2001
                                          • 28301

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by baddog
                                          I would never have a foreigner do any kind of text work for me . . . there are few people that speak English fluently that I would trust with my text work however.
                                          I get all my text work done by the guys from WebmasterLabor.
                                          They are from Phillipines but speak English better than 90% of people on this board.

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                                          • Antonio
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                                            • Oct 2001
                                            • 14136

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by baddog
                                            Your spelling is exactly what this topic is about.

                                            Everyone outsources, outsourcing does not mean leaving the country, it means having someone that is not inhouse do the work for you.

                                            Spelling errors in design work is inexcusable. I have an Indian doing coding for me, and he does very good work, but luckily I can go back and clean up his spelling errors because I do not have to open a psd file to do so.

                                            I would never have a foreigner do any kind of text work for me . . . there are few people that speak English fluently that I would trust with my text work however.
                                            And your response is exactly what I'm talking about, you're shit scared, because someone can do EXATCLY the same job for 1/4 of the price, don't feel bad, it's understandable....

                                            As for my spelling, let me give you the standard response - how many foreign languages do you speak?

                                            Never mind, that was a rhetorical question.

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                                            • StuartD
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                                              • Jul 2002
                                              • 29903

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Antonio
                                              someone can do EXATCLY the same job for 1/4 of the price
                                              Well... not exatcly... err... exactly.

                                              You get the point, since... you made it.
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                                              • Antonio
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                                                • Oct 2001
                                                • 14136

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by NichePay - StuartD
                                                Well... not exatcly... err... exactly.

                                                You get the point, since... you made it.
                                                That's a typo fucker, err ........ I mean sir.

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                                                • StuartD
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                                                  • Jul 2002
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Antonio
                                                  That's a typo fucker, err ........ I mean sir.
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                                                  • Tofu
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                                                    • Jul 2003
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                                                    me do text you for price half the others
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                                                    • baddog
                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                      • Apr 2001
                                                      • 107089

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Antonio
                                                      And your response is exactly what I'm talking about, you're shit scared, because someone can do EXATCLY the same job for 1/4 of the price, don't feel bad, it's understandable....

                                                      As for my spelling, let me give you the standard response - how many foreign languages do you speak?

                                                      Never mind, that was a rhetorical question.

                                                      You may speak multiple languages, and I could give a rat's ass, if you can't spell you are of no use to me you fucking idiot. There is nothing worse than a tour that makes no fucking sense because the designer was trying convey a message in a language he does not know.

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                                                      • eroswebmaster
                                                        March 1st, 2003
                                                        • Jul 2001
                                                        • 20295

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Antonio
                                                        And your response is exactly what I'm talking about, you're shit scared, because someone can do EXATCLY the same job for 1/4 of the price, don't feel bad, it's understandable....

                                                        As for my spelling, let me give you the standard response - how many foreign languages do you speak?

                                                        Never mind, that was a rhetorical question.
                                                        I no longer do design, but honestly I was never afraid because of the quality and the horrible "engrish."

                                                        I even partnered up with someone out of the philippines who lived here in Vegas but had a shop there, and out of 20+ there were only 2 designers that were really good, the others were okay but had potential.

                                                        However the issue was not just quality, but that they didn't understand the concept of adult design. That is something you can't always teach no matter how hard you try.

                                                        There is a flow to adult design, there are reasons text is placed in certain areas, certain types of images are used and usually what I got back from my filipino guys were designs loaded down with a lot of imagery but no substance . Even after 7 months of training only a few began to grasp it.

                                                        There are also time zone differences, and not to mention issues of trust.
                                                        Take a look at how the 2 larger, or should I say spammier outsourcing companies have both had issues where others tried to take over their business...yes that's exactly who I want to trust with my proprietary information, my company's more important plans.

                                                        Overall the biggest competitive "edge" that outsourcers had was price, but in the end the great thing was I usually ended up with their customers anyway, and because of the horrible experiences they didn't haggle with me about price.
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                                                        • Jace
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                                                          • Jan 2004
                                                          • 35562

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                                                          me do text you for price half the others
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                                                          • baddog
                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                            • Apr 2001
                                                            • 107089

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Antonio
                                                            And your response is exactly what I'm talking about, you're shit scared, because someone can do EXATCLY the same job for 1/4 of the price, don't feel bad, it's understandable....

                                                            BTW, what is it that you think I do, that can be outsourced elsewhere?

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                                                            • baddog
                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                              • Apr 2001
                                                              • 107089

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Antonio
                                                              And your response is exactly what I'm talking about, you're shit scared, because someone can do EXATCLY the same job for 1/4 of the price, don't feel bad, it's understandable....

                                                              As for my spelling, let me give you the standard response - how many foreign languages do you speak?

                                                              Never mind, that was a rhetorical question.

                                                              BTW, would you like me to point out the grammar error here?

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                                                              • Steve
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                                                                • Feb 2001
                                                                • 6894

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by mvega325
                                                                You can see the quality of his work on www.mobbucks.com he's done all our sites. there is no doubt that his work is good. but there is a down side to having a guy in Russia .... the time zone ... it's not always easy to get him when i need something fast ... and it is sometimes hard to explain what you want ...it would be easier to have someone in the states that i could just call.

                                                                So what i should ask is how much should a good full time web designer make in the US?
                                                                You guys have Mark Tiarra sitting in the office, and you guys use another designer? Did you break his fingers or something? Carpel tunnel? Tennis elbow? Jizzed up keyboard? What's the dealio?

                                                                I've seen Mark make fantastic designs in under 5 minutes, and then delete theses works of art without saving because he thought they sucked LOL

                                                                The dude's a fucking Ace

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                                                                • Steve
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                                                                  • Feb 2001
                                                                  • 6894

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Antonio
                                                                  As for my spelling, let me give you the standard response - how many foreign languages do you speak?
                                                                  Well, when I market to anyone NOT speaking English, I will look you up.

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                                                                  • baddog
                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                    • Apr 2001
                                                                    • 107089

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Steve
                                                                    Well, when I market to anyone NOT speaking English, I will look you up.
                                                                    exactly

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                                                                    • baddog
                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                      • Apr 2001
                                                                      • 107089

                                                                      #35
                                                                      amazing that he hasn't fixed the error on his site yet

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                                                                      • BlueDesignStudios
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                                                                        • Feb 2003
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Fletch XXX
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                                                                        • ytcracker
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                                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                                          • 12403

                                                                          #37
                                                                          i guess if someone was aiming for humor they could outsource for shits and giggles
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                                                                          • Antonio
                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                            • Oct 2001
                                                                            • 14136

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by Steve
                                                                            Well, when I market to anyone NOT speaking English, I will look you up.
                                                                            Suga, I don't give a flying fuck what you think of my English, naither I depend on you 'looking me up'.

                                                                            Originally posted by baddog
                                                                            amazing that he hasn't fixed the error on his site yet
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                                                                            • Antonio
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                                                                              • Oct 2001
                                                                              • 14136

                                                                              #39
                                                                              btwn naither = neither ......... I think

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                                                                              • Antonio
                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                • Oct 2001
                                                                                • 14136

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                amazing that he hasn't fixed the error on his site yet
                                                                                don't see it, as hard as it might be I guess I'll have to live with that

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                                                                                • toddler
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                                                                                  • Jun 2002
                                                                                  • 1911

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Antonio
                                                                                  haha

                                                                                  Americans are scared shitlles of the outsoursing trend!

                                                                                  That's why you see al the threads lately - all of them saying that all the ousorced work is of inferior quality, which is absolute CRAP. Yes, you can get a cheap designer that can do great job for you, the same applies for programmers, gallery builders etc.
                                                                                  scared? bullshit. we want quality. The same goes for people in the US doing shit design. People who fuck up orders? Don't get paid.
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                                                                                  • baddog
                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                    • Apr 2001
                                                                                    • 107089

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by Antonio
                                                                                    don't see it, as hard as it might be I guess I'll have to live with that

                                                                                    and therein lies the problem. See, you might speak 17 languages well enough to survive in another country, or to post on GFY, but when you are trying to sell something, spellcheck is not going to help you.

                                                                                    Now, when I go to your site, and see "Free hosted galleries with descriptions" but see grammar errors on your page, I have to immediately wonder just how well your descriptions are written.

                                                                                    So, to show you what a good guy I really am, I will show you your error: ". . . . and in a few minutes you'll have enough galleries to keep you surfers happy for a long time."

                                                                                    Maybe you are selling to surfers, I don't know. If so, then I guess I am wrong.

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                                                                                    • baddog
                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                      • Apr 2001
                                                                                      • 107089

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by toddler
                                                                                      scared? bullshit. we want quality. The same goes for people in the US doing shit design. People who fuck up orders? Don't get paid.
                                                                                      He doesn't get it

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                                                                                      • Antonio
                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                        • Oct 2001
                                                                                        • 14136

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                        So, to show you what a good guy I really am, I will show you your error: ". . . . and in a few minutes you'll have enough galleries to keep you surfers happy for a long time."
                                                                                        Thanks, you're such a good guy ;)

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                                                                                        • baddog
                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                          • Apr 2001
                                                                                          • 107089

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Antonio
                                                                                          Thanks, you're such a good guy ;)

                                                                                          I know that. I'm really easy to get along with once you learn to worship me.

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                                                                                          • CDSmith
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                                                                                            • May 2001
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by Antonio
                                                                                            Thanks, you're such a good guy ;)
                                                                                            And if you really wanted to show an attention to detail, you would put a hyphen between "sponsor" and "hosted"....

                                                                                            "...providing thousands of free sponsor-hosted galleries with..."



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                                                                                            • Antonio
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                                                                                              • Oct 2001
                                                                                              • 14136

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                              I know that. I'm really easy to get along with once you learn to worship me.
                                                                                              She's the only one I worship:




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                                                                                              • Antonio
                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                • Oct 2001
                                                                                                • 14136

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                                And if you really wanted to show an attention to detail, you would put a hyphen between "sponsor" and "hosted"....

                                                                                                "...providing thousands of free sponsor-hosted galleries with..."



                                                                                                Thanks, you're good guy too

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