Belief in an omnipotent, omniscinet God is delusional. I find that far more worrying than someone who tries and fails to get a couple of words removed from a pledge.
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try to pay attention so I don't have to repeat.Originally posted by sacX
troublemaking? if that phrase was removed from the pledge it would be equally as harmless by your reasoning. How is that trouble making?
Originally posted by sacX
Because at its time of inclusion into the pledge, the public was happy to have it, in all of the time its been included, no one has been hurt by it, and the vast majority of Americans want it to stay in there today.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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That's your opinion based on no more fact than religions are based on and you're in the minute minority in your opinion whether you take the world view, country, state, or town. vast minority.Originally posted by sacX
Belief in an omnipotent, omniscinet God is delusional.
unstable people worry about far more things than necissary. Go ask a liberal in the mental health field.Originally posted by sacX
I find that far more worrying than someone who tries and fails to get a couple of words removed from a pledge.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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Actually belief in God is not based on any fact. To believe you have to take a "leap of faith". It's the same logic as believing in ghosts, spirits, the Easter bunny.Originally posted by 12clicks
That's your opinion based on no more fact than religions are based on and you're in the minute minority in your opinion whether you take the world view, country, state, or town. vast minority.
unstable people worry about far more things than necissary. Go ask a liberal in the mental health field.Comment
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the disbelief in god is also not based in fact.Originally posted by sacX
Actually belief in God is not based on any fact. To believe you have to take a "leap of faith". It's the same logic as believing in ghosts, spirits, the Easter bunny.
what's your point?I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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You believe in ghosts, even though there is no evidence.Originally posted by 12clicks
the disbelief in god is also not based in fact.
what's your point?
I don't believe in ghosts because there is no evidence.
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yet still you're confused by it.Originally posted by sacX
You believe in ghosts, even though there is no evidence.
I don't believe in ghosts because there is no evidence.
simple enough for you?
this is the dilema of the modern day ultra liberal nutcase.
to try win an argument based on common sense, they have to refer to believing in ghosts.
Son, the supreme court didn't mention ghosts when throwing out this case.
however, a couple of them did say something else.
Three court members -- Chief Justice William Rehnquist (news - web sites) and Justices Sandra Day O'Connor (news - web sites) and Clarence Thomas (news - web sites) -- said they would uphold the words "under God" as constitutional.
"Reciting the pledge, or listening to others recite it, is a patriotic exercise, not a religious one; participants promise fidelity to our flag and our nation, not to any particular God, faith or church," Rehnquist said.
O'Connor agreed. "Certain ceremonial references to God and religion in our nation are the inevitable consequence of the religious history that gave birth to our founding principles of liberty," she said.
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maybe thats why they're supreme court justices and your not.
They didn't need to talk about ghosts when ruling for common sense.
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uh right. I think you're the confused one beliving in the supernatural and all.Comment
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you make the mistake of assuming I agree with the father who wanted it removed. Although I think it's a stupid thing to say, I appreciate it's a tradition.
I just thought you calling him a dope, and a moron is a bit rich.Comment
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sorry, son. YOU make the mistake of arguing the idiot side. forgive me for identifying you with your argument.Originally posted by sacX
you make the mistake of assuming I agree with the father who wanted it removed. Although I think it's a stupid thing to say, I appreciate it's a tradition.
there's a lot of things you think that don't matter. again, what's your point?Originally posted by sacX
I just thought you calling him a dope, and a moron is a bit rich.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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Belief in a supreme being/creator...ie God...is just that...a belief. Non belief in a supreme being/creator...ie God...is just that...a belief. Niether position can be supported by empirical fact...thus either position carries equal weight...since either position cannot be proven or dis-proven.Originally posted by sacX
Belief in an omnipotent, omniscinet God is delusional. I find that far more worrying than someone who tries and fails to get a couple of words removed from a pledge.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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where did I say I believed in the supernatural?Originally posted by sacX
uh right. I think you're the confused one beliving in the supernatural and all.
these liberal kids and their nonsensical arguments crack me up.
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I don't disagree that they are both beliefs.Originally posted by theking
Belief in a supreme being/creator...ie God...is just that...a belief. Non belief in a supreme being/creator...ie God...is just that...a belief. Niether position can be supported by empirical fact...thus either position carries equal weight...since either position cannot be proven or dis-proven.
You are right neither can be definitively proven.
However if you believe in God with absolutely no empirical evidence, then what else will you believe in.
BECAUSE of the lack of any empirical evidence I take the position that I believe he/she does not exist.Comment
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Do you believe in God? If so then you believe in the supernatural.Originally posted by 12clicks
where did I say I believed in the supernatural?
these liberal kids and their nonsensical arguments crack me up.
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how silly.Originally posted by sacX
I don't disagree that they are both beliefs.
You are right neither can be definitively proven.
However if you believe in God with absolutely no empirical evidence, then what else will you believe in.
do you understand that there has never been a president who was NOT affiliated with a religion?
http://www.adherents.com/adh_presidents.html
your "then what else will you believe in." argument is typical liberal clap trap.
believing in god NEVER increased your risk to do what's wrong. in fact, the exact opposite is true.
Imagining that only YOU the non believer are the only clear thinker, and all the religious people are suspect is just the kind of thinking that causes normal people to discount you as a lunatic trouble maker.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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However if you do not believe in God with absolutely no empirical evidence that there is not a God, then what else might you not believe in.Originally posted by sacX
I don't disagree that they are both beliefs.
You are right neither can be definitively proven.
However if you believe in God with absolutely no empirical evidence, then what else will you believe in.
BECAUSE of the lack of any empirical evidence I take the position that I believe he/she does not exist.
BECAUSE of the lack of any empirical evidence that God does not exist...billions choose to believe that he/she does exist.
The non believer does not have a firmer or even a more sensible position than the beliver...though both will argue that they do.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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believing in god is like believing in ghosts. there are no facts to support the existence, but you can't disprove because there's no way to do it.Originally posted by 12clicks
That's your opinion based on no more fact than religions are based on and you're in the minute minority in your opinion whether you take the world view, country, state, or town. vast minority.
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I don't believe in God.Originally posted by sacX
Do you believe in God? If so then you believe in the supernatural.
again, what's your point?I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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good try. incorrect.Originally posted by FlyingIguana
believing in god is like believing in ghosts. there are no facts to support the existence, but you can't disprove because there's no way to do it.
disbelieving in god is like disbelieving in ghosts. there are no facts to disprove the existence , but you can't prove because there's no way to do it.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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sorry, son. YOU make the mistake of arguing the idiot side. forgive me for identifying you with your argument.Originally posted by 12clicks
I don't believe in God.
again, what's your point?Comment
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I put my faith in evidence, not in fantasy.Originally posted by theking
However if you do not believe in God with absolutely no empirical evidence that there is not a God, then what else might you not believe in.
BECAUSE of the lack of any empirical evidence that God does not exist...billions choose to believe that he/she does exist.
The non believer does not have a firmer or even a more sensible position than the beliver...though both will argue that they do.Comment
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hmmmm, lets see. the supreme court just ruled in my favor.Originally posted by sacX
sorry, son. YOU make the mistake of arguing the idiot side. forgive me for identifying you with your argument.
I understand it sucks being wrong and not understanding why but if you were smart enough to get back to the facts of this case, what happened, and what the justices said, your embarrassment wouldn't be so great.
personal attacks won't win the day for you here, son.
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produce your evidence.Originally posted by sacX
I put my faith in evidence, not in fantasy.
we'll wait.
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'god' can take any form you want it to. Surely their exists some type of higher power than humans out there somewhere. We are basically two steps up from monkeys.Comment
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When I go to the Doctor I want medicine that has been tested thoroughly, and has gone through randomised controlled trials and passed FDA approval.
You might go to the witch doctor. Who knows, the witch doctor might have the miracle cure, but I choose to believe in that which has been tested.
My position is the more rational position, though not necessarily the correct position.Last edited by sacX; 06-15-2004, 08:10 AM.Comment
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you just twisted what i said and said the same thing.Originally posted by 12clicks
good try. incorrect.
disbelieving in god is like disbelieving in ghosts. there are no facts to disprove the existence , but you can't prove because there's no way to do it.
personally i don't believe in supreme beings. everything in the world has its place, supreme beings don't. and if this is the best that 'god' could come up with, what kind of 'god' is this? surely a 'god' could create something much, much better.Comment
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we're not a step up from anything, even an insect. in fact, after we kill ourselves with nuclear weapons, the roaches will come out of the woodwork and wonder what took us so long.Originally posted by benc
'god' can take any form you want it to. Surely their exists some type of higher power than humans out there somewhere. We are basically two steps up from monkeys.Comment
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exactly. meaning your point has as much going for it as the other side.Originally posted by FlyingIguana
you just twisted what i said and said the same thing.
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Two steps?Originally posted by benc
'god' can take any form you want it to. Surely their exists some type of higher power than humans out there somewhere. We are basically two steps up from monkeys.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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I'm the one waiting for evidence, try to keep up.Originally posted by 12clicks
produce your evidence.
we'll wait.
BECAUSE of the lack of any empirical evidence I take the position that I believe he/she does not exist.Last edited by sacX; 06-15-2004, 08:14 AM.Comment
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ahahahaha, I love liberals with an agenda who grasp at straws to try to win an argument.Originally posted by sacX
When I go to the Doctor I want medicine that has been tested thoroughly, and has gone through randomised controlled trials and passed FDA approval.
You might go to the witch doctor. Who knows, the witch doctor might have the miracle cure, but I choose to believe in that which has been tested.
My position is the more rational position, though not necessarily the correct position.
lets forget what the justices said on the matter and lets talk about witch doctors instead.
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but my point doesn't cause people to shove tnt up their ass to kill people in the name of some higher power...Originally posted by 12clicks
exactly. meaning your point has as much going for it as the other side.Comment
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Originally posted by sacX
believing in God is like believing in magic.
Now that may be the most accurate quote I've ever heard.Fuck in an airplane - "Mile High Charter" Get InfoComment
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Originally posted by benc
'god' can take any form you want it to. Surely their exists some type of higher power than humans out there somewhere. We are basically two steps up from monkeys.
The naked girl is a god...
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dementia must be setting in. I already posted and you acknowledged that I agree with the Justices.Originally posted by 12clicks
ahahahaha, I love liberals with an agenda who grasp at straws to try to win an argument.
lets forget what the justices said on the matter and lets talk about witch doctors instead.
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blaming all religion for the acts of one works for liberals yet turn it around and blame all members of a race for the acts of a % and they get their panties in a bunch.Originally posted by FlyingIguana
but my point doesn't cause people to shove tnt up their ass to kill people in the name of some higher power...
one thing you'll never get from a liberal is consistancy.
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what is my agenda?Originally posted by 12clicks
ahahahaha, I love liberals with an agenda who grasp at straws to try to win an argument.
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really?Originally posted by sacX
dementia must be setting in. I already posted and you acknowledged that I agree with the Justices.
I think you better quote it then for the 99% of us that don't see it.
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not to confuse yourself?Originally posted by sacX
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Originally posted by sacX
dementia must be setting in. I already posted and you acknowledged that I agree with the Justices.
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what is my agenda?
it would be a good start.
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Originally posted by sacX
you make the mistake of assuming I agree with the father who wanted it removed. Although I think it's a stupid thing to say, I appreciate it's a tradition.
I just thought you calling him a dope, and a moron is a bit rich.Comment
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The court didnt rule in your favor, 12clicks. The court ruled on a technicality, then some of them expressed opinions that will allow them to recuse themselves when it comes back up.
Just like Scalia did before it even came to trial this time around. (yet Scalia refuses to recuse himself when he clearly is tainted in the cheney case; much bigger issue IMO)
The justices take the same view of "under god" in the pledge(which were added in the 50's to distinguish the USA. from communist USSR), that they do with references to god on USA currency and public buildings (including the US Supreme Courthouse itself). They dont endorse it as a religious reference. They dont argue against it as a religious reference. They take it as something that is simply there and has no actual religious significance.
The mans argument is a valid argument. He believes that even a passive reference is an offhand "endorsement" that *ANY* god exists, which is contrary to the values he wishes to instill in his child.
I know you'll call me names, and post laughing faces at me. Maybe call me a "moron" or an "asshat". Thats your style evidently.
Enjoy
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and you assume"""sorry, son. YOU make the mistake of arguing the idiot side. forgive me for identifying you with your argument. """"
is acknowledgement of you agreeing with the justices?
its acknowledgement that I think you're an idiot. nothing more.
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I thought it was acknowledgement you had some basic comprehension skills. Apparently you do not.Originally posted by 12clicks
and you assume"""sorry, son. YOU make the mistake of arguing the idiot side. forgive me for identifying you with your argument. """"
is acknowledgement of you agreeing with the justices?
its acknowledgement that I think you're an idiot. nothing more.
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Originally posted by 12clicks
I don't believe in God.
again, what's your point?
aaah so you must be a liberal troublemaking moron.Comment
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incorrect. their opinions in no way taint them next time around.Originally posted by Tom_PM
The court didnt rule in your favor, 12clicks. The court ruled on a technicality, then some of them expressed opinions that will allow them to recuse themselves when it comes back up.
Just like Scalia did before it even came to trial this time around. (yet Scalia refuses to recuse himself when he clearly is tainted in the cheney case; much bigger issue IMO)
exactly. which is why he's wasting the court's time.Originally posted by Tom_PM
The justices take the same view of "under god" in the pledge(which were added in the 50's to distinguish the USA. from communist USSR), that they do with references to god on USA currency and public buildings (including the US Supreme Courthouse itself). They dont endorse it as a religious reference. They dont argue against it as a religious reference. They take it as something that is simply there and has no actual religious significance.
that argument is irrelevant because there is no basis in the constitution to honor a lunatics wishes.Originally posted by Tom_PM
The mans argument is a valid argument. He believes that even a passive reference is an offhand "endorsement" that *ANY* god exists, which is contrary to the values he wishes to instill in his child.
his *belief* of an endorsement might be honest but as there is no religion called atheism, no religion is being established over his own. (just one of 10 arguments to be made here)
you must be new to the adult internet. my style is to identify morons and asshats for what they are. Your argument has merit, your attitude makes you an asshat.Originally posted by Tom_PM
I know you'll call me names, and post laughing faces at me. Maybe call me a "moron" or an "asshat". Thats your style evidently.
Enjoy
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am I all of the sudden a TGP submitter named sacx?Originally posted by sacX
aaah so you must be a liberal troublemaking moron.
I think not.
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Originally posted by 12clicks
am I all of the sudden a TGP submitter named sacx?
I think not.
wild stabs in the dark just prove your stupidity.Comment
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oh wait, I almost missed this!Originally posted by Tom_PM
I know you'll call me names, and post laughing faces at me. Maybe call me a "moron" or an "asshat". Thats your style evidently.
Enjoy
Date registered: june 10 2004
So you've been a member for 5 days and know all about my style? not likely.
what lying, cheating, thief where you last month?
come on, what name did you steal under last month?
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no, they prove your irrelevance.Originally posted by sacX
wild stabs in the dark just prove your stupidity.
does it matter to anyone who you are or what you do?
sadly, no.
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There is plenty in the constitution to honor a "lunatics" wishes. Assuming you're using lunatic in place of citizen.
And you're also right, theres no religion called atheism. That is precisely why his argument is valid.
This isnt a case where we argue "Under Buddha" versus "Under God". It's a case where we argue "Under God" versus "there is no god".
And I do believe their opinions taint them. If not in a legal sense, certainly in a real-world sense.
Personally, I was fine with the option that the school system gave. Say them if you want to. Dont say them if you dont want to.
But I do applaud this man for standing up for his beliefs in the face of overwhelming opposition. Truly what the founders of this country wanted to allow for.
In my book, any time you can go toe-to-toe and argue passionately for your position based on your beliefs, you've got my respect.
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