Originally posted by baycouples I do no longer buy any products made in France. That's the best way to disagree with their policy.
what policy?
Bush wanted support for a prefabricated bullshit war.
France told told Bush to go fuck himself.
Turns out France was right. No threatening WMD were found.
Now religious fundamentalists have gained power in Iraq.
France 1 - America 0
Bush thinks God talks to him, wants prayer in school, and to give tax money to religious groups.
France is forcing all religious bullshit out of government and public education.
Aside from the already mentioned fact that the main reason France sided with the colonies was to gang up on Britain, France did not contribute significant military aid until 1778, 3 years after fighting had begun. France did not openly support the Americans until after the Americans had already proved they meant business and had a chance. Additionally, Spain and the Netherlands also aided the Americans, so for anyone to say that without France we wouldn't exist is a pretty exagerrated statement.
To even compare that to the American liberation of France during WW2 is a joke. Helping out after some else has done most of the work is completely different than pushing all enemy forces out of a country that basically rolled over and gave half their country to the enemy and only resistance was blowing up a few train tracks and mainly helping other soldiers from other countries do their work.
So yes, the French are still pussies. They'll fight if they think it's a cake walk, but when push comes to shove they're far from the front lines.
Lastly anyone thinking that France did not support the war in Iraq because they didn't think it was right, you need to think again. The main reason they stayed out was FEAR. Fear of public opinion, fear of casualties, and most likely a huge fear of terrorism from their large North African and Arab population that they have little control over.
aww zee french are good, americans are good, canada rules but i hate the "Quebecwa" (not evensure how to spell that, who the fuck cares)(french speaking canadians)
Originally posted by warlock667 To even compare that to the American liberation of France during WW2 is a joke. Helping out after some else has done most of the work is completely different
Thats what you did in WW2 Slappy!
1939... no America
1940... no America
1941... no America.
December 1941 - America is attacked and declares war on Japan and subsequently Germany.
You waitied over two years...
Sounds like Americans are the pussies, not the French. You let the British, the Australians, the Russians and the rest of the allies do all the work and then you conveniently roll in half way through and act like you're saving the day.
Originally posted by Joe Citizen Thats what you did in WW2 Slappy!
1939... no America
1940... no America
1941... no America.
December 1941 - America is attacked and declares war on Japan and subsequently Germany.
You waitied over two years...
Sounds like Americans are the pussies, not the French. You let the British, the Australians, the Russians and the rest of the allies do all the work and then you conveniently roll in half way through and act like you're saving the day.
you need to check your facts. the US supported Britain and the other allied countries with 10's of 1000's of thousands of tons of aid and god only knows how much oil and other supplies BEFORE they got into the war. They lost countless merchant marine ships in the Atlantic and 1000's died sending supplies to Europe to support those fighting Germany.
Why would Americans be pussies for not jumping right in and fighting a war on another continent between other countries? Does that mean everyone in Iceland a bunch of pussies? Why doesn't France go to Iraq and fight?... simple... it's always politics.
Originally posted by bringer and now we're idiots for being proactive in iraq? wait or dont wait? make up your mind
Aren't you the genius? Only an idiot would compare the might of Hitler's German war machine to Saddam's sanction starved third world rag tag armed forces.
Here's an idea... grow some brain cells and then come back and make an intelligent post.
Originally posted by Pleasurepays Why would Americans be pussies for not jumping right in and fighting a war on another continent between other countries? Does that mean everyone in Iceland a bunch of pussies? Why doesn't France go to Iraq and fight?... simple... it's always politics.
Come on, you need to do better than comparing the USA and Iceland.
Originally posted by Joe Citizen Aren't you the genius? Only an idiot would compare the might of Hitler's German war machine to Saddam's sanction starved third world rag tag armed forces.
Here's an idea... grow some brain cells and then come back and make an intelligent post.
i guess you'd of liked him to kill thousands of innocent people before we took action against him.
all saddam needed was to smuggle 1 wmd into the us and use it to cause the destruction of 9/11
with troops or bombs, he could of done serious damage to the us and even your liberal leaders agreed he had the WMD to do it.
America probably could not have won its freedom from the British during the American Revolution without the help of the French. France provided arms, ships, money, and men to the American colonies. Some Frenchmen - most notably the Marquis de Lafayette, a close friend of George Washington - even became high-ranking officers in the American army. It was an alliance of respect and friendship the French would not forget.
america would still be a european colony without them....
if it werent for america, the french would be speaking german
Originally posted by bringer and now we're idiots for being proactive in iraq? wait or dont wait? make up your mind
You know, comparing Iraq and Saddam to Nazi Germany? That's ridiculous. Maybe the US shouldn't have gone after Hitler, maybe they should've gone after some small-time dictator instead.
If you had compared Nazi Germany to North Korea, then at least you got something because Kim Jong Il is much more similar to Hitler and does have a decent military.
Originally posted by Roger You know, comparing Iraq and Saddam to Nazi Germany? That's ridiculous. Maybe the US shouldn't have gone after Hitler, maybe they should've gone after some small-time dictator instead.
If you had compared Nazi Germany to North Korea, then at least you got something because Kim Jong Il is much more similar to Hitler and does have a decent military.
so if iraq had a bigger well suited army, the war would be justified in your opinion?
Originally posted by bringer i guess you'd of liked him to kill thousands of innocent people before we took action against him.
all saddam needed was to smuggle 1 wmd into the us and use it to cause the destruction of 9/11
with troops or bombs, he could of done serious damage to the us and even your liberal leaders agreed he had the WMD to do it.
Now why exactly would he do that? Why would he risk his life for such a stupid thing? Besides, how many not-so friendly countries would be qualified for invasion then? Afterall, there's always a way for them to screw us.
You know that our Pakistani allies turned out to be the ones smuggling nuclear technology and WMD's to North Korea and Iran? Funny that Iraq wasn't even in the list.
Originally posted by Joe Citizen Thats what you did in WW2 Slappy!
1939... no America
1940... no America
1941... no America.
December 1941 - America is attacked and declares war on Japan and subsequently Germany.
You waitied over two years...
Sounds like Americans are the pussies, not the French. You let the British, the Australians, the Russians and the rest of the allies do all the work and then you conveniently roll in half way through and act like you're saving the day.
Originally posted by Pleasurepays you need to check your facts. the US supported Britain and the other allied countries with 10's of 1000's of thousands of tons of aid and god only knows how much oil and other supplies BEFORE they got into the war. They lost countless merchant marine ships in the Atlantic and 1000's died sending supplies to Europe to support those fighting Germany.
we needed troops! although the aid went down nicely.
Originally posted by Roger If you had compared Nazi Germany to North Korea, then at least you got something because Kim Jong Il is much more similar to Hitler and does have a decent military.
You can always tell a coward because they always pick on those weaker than themselves. You never see a bully taking on a bigger, stronger opponent, only someone they know they can beat.
Originally posted by Amp been in France.... rudest most stuck up nose-in-the-air people on Earth. France and the frenchies can go fuck themselves.
You have a very wrong opinion.
If you're not too narrow minded and ever come back to France, i'll be more than happy to take you around for a few days and you'll have a totally different opinion of the french
First time i went to the USA, i had a very very bad impression: people were rude, not friendly at all. But still, i gave the US a 2nd chance and i met some really great people and been to nice places.
Idiots and unfriendly people are everywhere. The opposite is also true.
That is a valid point, but there are stark differences between the reasons behind the wait as well as actions during that waiting period. While the French chose to sit out and wait and see how things panned out before lending support, the United States actually rewrote existing U.S. laws to provide the Allies with arms, raw materials, and equipment. The U.S. provided almost $50 billion dollars in aid total to 38 Allied countries prior to officially committing troops to the conflict.
Yet another reason the U.S. was kept out was because of strong isolationist views that thought this was not our battle to fight. Strange that this is the same way most European countries think the U.S. is supposed to act, to mind it's own business, right? Last time we took that position, 2/3 of Europe was defeated...
Originally posted by Joe Citizen
Sounds like Americans are the pussies, not the French. You let the British, the Australians, the Russians and the rest of the allies do all the work and then you conveniently roll in half way through and act like you're saving the day.
At the time the U.S. entered the war, the Russians were barely keeping the Germans out of Moscow, and France was occupied. Aside from Britain managing to stand against the Germans, what other allies were "Doing all the work"? Losing is not doing all the work, and when someone originally not involved in the conflict comes in and liberates your country, yes, they are saving the day.
You still didn't address the question of why half of the population of France capitulated and even collaborated with the Germans, instead of fighting to the end to save their country? What part of "PUSSY" is not clear?
Joe, crack a book a little more often and you may learn something!
Just because when you were a kid, you decided to help someone who needed help, because when you figured the world around you grew up, they'd be there to help you....
Doesn't excuse you for being a pussy yesterday.
Its real easy to help someone in the hopes, its actually helping you.
Its another thing to back someone up, when you may not actually see any profit from it.
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