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06-02-2004, 03:11 AM

What the fuck is up with this no sales periodes with them?

The no-sale periodes comes VERY OFTEN at the exact moment the day changes in the stats.

I can have 6-8 sales in the last 1½ hour before the date changes and then 0 sales for the next 4 hours

These holes can to come later in the day .. I can have hours and hours with 8-10 sales each hour and then suddenly CUT no sales for 4 hours, and thats no even one single sale.. so we are not talking a smooth curve .. its simply CUT.

I'm not the only one having this holes - I'm working with a guy doing the same amount of sales per. day as I am - the exact same pattern. The time of these holes are different for each of us - so they can't be explained by that the money-strong people are sleeping or eating or anything.

There is something wrong with CCBILL - I want to figure out what it is.

I only want answers from people who has the same problem - not answer from people who don't have them. Which is most likely people doing a low amount of sales per day.

If these missing sales are scrubbed away or leaded to the site owner without the wm ref id I don't know. But my guess would be scrubbed.

I've been talking to Corvett from CCBILL about these several times, and he tells me that CCBILL hasn't changed anything for at least a year. And I do believe him - he seems like an honest guy

To me it seems like that the webmasters are in some groups where each group goes through some hours of the day with really hard scrubbing. Like a circulation-function .. Like the next 4 hours webmasters from 1000-2000 will be scrubbed real hard and then the next 4 hours webmasters 2000-3000 will be scrubbed real hard.

I know alot of people are sitting there thinking "what a moron, this is just how sales goes" .. but if you saw my stats you would know different..

You don't have tons of sales up to CCBILLs date change every second day thats stop with a BOOM for hours.

I would like the CCBILL people to explain exactly how their scrubbing system works - that would be really nice.

I wonder if the site-owners doing 100+ sales a day are seeing these holes?

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06-02-2004, 05:11 AM

1:486 yesterday
1:4816 today

This system just can't be trusted!..

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06-02-2004, 05:49 AM

Monday: 25 sales
Thuesday: 5 sales

For exactly the same traffic. Go figure.

They were my main processor but I am changing them this week.

Just don't advertise with sites that process with them. If enough webmasters does this, and if they loose a fair amount of money, they will have to change their stupid scrubbing %.

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06-02-2004, 05:52 AM

Originally posted by CHMOD
Monday: 25 sales
Thuesday: 5 sales

For exactly the same traffic. Go figure.

They were my main processor but I am changing them this week.

Just don't advertise with sites that process with them. If enough webmasters does this, and if they loose a fair amount of money, they will have to change their stupid scrubbing %.

low scrubbing -> high chargebacks...

you know they're making % of your income... wouldn't be clever if they scrub for fun or ?...
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06-02-2004, 05:52 AM

I am experiencing the exact same thing as you. The holes of course began in earnest last summer with the VISA crackdown. My sales took a 50% loss in one day. I never recovered that - I didn't expect to. The "holes" you are talking about have been hitting me hard since mid-April. I hoped it was a quarterly thing, but it doesn't seem to be. I *KNOW* scrubs are adjusted at ccbill pretty frequently. I don't care what they say...I know.

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06-02-2004, 05:53 AM

Finally something who had something to say ..

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06-02-2004, 05:53 AM

I see the same thing... i figured it was just downtime.

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06-02-2004, 05:57 AM

I noticed a surge in these holes also in late Novemeber last year. If you have your numbers for that time period, see if you noticed the same thing..
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06-02-2004, 05:57 AM

I've got many affiliates making 5+ sales a day converting at 1:200 or less day in and day out for over a year.

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06-02-2004, 06:00 AM

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06-02-2004, 06:05 AM

Originally posted by BV
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06-02-2004, 06:09 AM

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06-02-2004, 06:11 AM

Originally posted by m00d

thanks

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06-02-2004, 06:12 AM

CCBill sales have been SHIT!
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06-02-2004, 06:13 AM

Originally posted by Corleone
thanks

i like ccbill : they're sending me lots of :

even so, no matter how much you make, you don't want $.01 of it cheated from you, do you?
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06-02-2004, 06:28 AM

Originally posted by BV
I've got many affiliates making 5+ sales a day converting at 1:200 or less day in and day out for over a year.

NOTHING IS WRONG WITH CCBILL

i think you missed the point of the post...from what I can tell he is saying that he has traffic flowing constantly, but at the same 4 hour period every day his sales stop completely, and it is the same time and same problem every day

is that right?
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06-02-2004, 06:32 AM

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even so, no matter how much you make, you don't want $.01 of it cheated from you, do you?

hmm scrubbing isn't cheating...

they just don't allow all ppl to signup... k that sucks but on the other site they're filtering possible chargebacks out..!
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06-02-2004, 06:39 AM

if you make 24 sales a day do you think that you make 1 sale every hour?

people sleep, go to work etc etc..... of course there will be gaps.....

the freeloader traffic will always be flowing at all times from everywhere in the world

from 2am thru 8am EST are usually the least productive, most of the US surfers that can pay for a membership are not on line.

this is just my
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06-02-2004, 06:44 AM

CCBill is a great company, never had anthying from them but solid performance and customer service. That being said, maybe you should call your rep and ask 'em to esplain it to you. They like being helpful.

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06-02-2004, 06:46 AM

Originally posted by JaceXXX
i think you missed the point of the post...from what I can tell he is saying that he has traffic flowing constantly, but at the same 4 hour period every day his sales stop completely, and it is the same time and same problem every day

is that right?

Almost .. its not every day there is a break right after they change their date, but very often..

But I have at least two breaks a day of each 2½ - 5 hours with no sales ... without any fade out first .. its just CUT

These breaks can be in any hours of the days .. and they have nothing to do with people sleeping/eating or anything else as I have a friend doing the same amount of sales a day, and he has the breaks too, just in different hours - mostly.

My pattern looks like this if the 0 are 15. minutes without a sale and 1 is 15. minutes with sales

1,1,1,1,0,1,1,0,1,1,0,0,1,1,1,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0,0,0,0,0,0,1,1,1,0,1,1,0,1,1,1,0,1,1,1,1,1,1,0,1, 1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,1,1..... .

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06-02-2004, 07:13 AM

Originally posted by biskoppen
Almost .. its not every day there is a break right after they change their date, but very often..

But I have at least two breaks a day of each 2½ - 5 hours with no sales ... without any fade out first .. its just CUT

These breaks can be in any hours of the days .. and they have nothing to do with people sleeping/eating or anything else as I have a friend doing the same amount of sales a day, and he has the breaks too, just in different hours - mostly.

My pattern looks like this if the 0 are 15. minutes without a sale and 1 is 15. minutes with sales

1,1,1,1,0,1,1,0,1,1,0,0,1,1,1,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0,0,0,0,0,0,1,1,1,0,1,1,0,1,1,1,0,1,1,1,1,1,1,0,1, 1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1,1,1..... .

Very roughly

I'm not sure if you're an affiliate or a program owner but if you are the owner you can look and see how many denials you are getting during your "0" time periods.
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06-02-2004, 07:24 AM

I do about 20 sales a day.
My scrubbing periods are different. I go through a month without scrubbing and then a dry spell for 1 or two days.
Today was the 2nd dry day. I changed all my links to a site not using cc bill and its raining down sales again...

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Patterns have nothing to do with bad luck...

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06-02-2004, 07:25 AM

off the topic, but what's it take to set up a small program on CCBill? I assume you pay the $700 visa fee but what other fees do they have?

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06-02-2004, 07:41 AM

i have a bunch of paysites with ccbill in number 1 position.

my traffic is very stable, although down a little in general during the summer.

however, there is a WIDE disparity in daily sales numbers, and it wasn't always like this.

example: one day normal, next day 25% of normal signups, shit like that.

i have had ccbill since 1997, this pattern really started developing in 2003, and seems getting worse.

the only reasonable explanation i can believe is that ccbill must hold aggregrate transactions on all clients under a certain chargeback level---and it does this by turning up or turning down scrubbing like a rheostat daily, to stay within visa guidelines.

no other explanation makes sense.
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06-02-2004, 07:52 AM

Originally posted by latinasojourn

the only reasonable explanation i can believe is that ccbill must hold aggregrate transactions on all clients under a certain chargeback level---and it does this by turning up or turning down scrubbing like a rheostat daily, to stay within visa guidelines.

my thoughts exactly, altho you wont find any ccbill people telling you this but it is the most logical and the only way to be able to explain away exactly why things are up and down the way they are.
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06-02-2004, 08:57 AM

You know, I always thought the same thing, but since we've gotten our NetBilling merchant account up and running, and we're able to watch every stage of the signups (including the failures), that's just how it goes.

For example, Mac and Bumble usually hits a lull from around 7pm-9pm every night. We used to joke that someone unplugged the servers every night. Very strange.
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06-02-2004, 09:02 AM

I like the guys at CCBill, always done right by me. But I have seen ratios go up big time over the past few months, and the days where it rocks then dry for next 2 days but the traffic is steady.

I am considering switching my main sponsor over to ibill to test.

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06-02-2004, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by Big E

"For example, Mac and Bumble usually hits a lull from around 7pm-9pm every night. We used to joke that someone unplugged the servers every night. Very strange."

yes, all paysites have this lull.

it's prime time television in USA. things begin to pickup after 10pm.
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06-02-2004, 09:46 AM

Originally posted by CHMOD
Monday: 25 sales
Thuesday: 5 sales

For exactly the same traffic. Go figure.

They were my main processor but I am changing them this week.

Just don't advertise with sites that process with them. If enough webmasters does this, and if they loose a fair amount of money, they will have to change their stupid scrubbing %.

biskoppen,

I see the same shit - No sales, then boom, a ton, yesterday I was at zero sales until 2 PM (which is EXTREMELY odd), then the afternoon came around and I had 6, then for the rest of the day I had zero - I've learned to check at 4 AM EST here (thats 1 past the day change) to check sales from the day before because they always seem to come in after the day is over for the previous day!

Not only that, today and yesterday my ratio has turned to shit.

I feel like they process affiliate sales in groups, cause I was talking to an affiliate owner who said non-affiliate sales are very smooth and come in in relatime, and he gets all the affiliate sales in a group. It's pretty safe to say something is fucking going on, and i get pissed at CCBILL more and more.

No one wants their CC processor to have so much control over fluctuations, it really is BS.
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06-02-2004, 09:49 AM

Originally posted by latinasojourn
i have a bunch of paysites with ccbill in number 1 position.

my traffic is very stable, although down a little in general during the summer.

however, there is a WIDE disparity in daily sales numbers, and it wasn't always like this.

example: one day normal, next day 25% of normal signups, shit like that.

i have had ccbill since 1997, this pattern really started developing in 2003, and seems getting worse.

the only reasonable explanation i can believe is that ccbill must hold aggregrate transactions on all clients under a certain chargeback level---and it does this by turning up or turning down scrubbing like a rheostat daily, to stay within visa guidelines.

no other explanation makes sense.

If CCBill was scrubbing harder during your off days then you should have denial emails saying so.
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06-02-2004, 09:53 AM

look at the signup times. I have noticed that, for me, sometimes sales show up in 15 minutes, and sometimes they are delayed 4 or 5 hours. this could create the holes you are talking about.

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06-02-2004, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by BV
if you make 24 sales a day do you think that you make 1 sale every hour?

people sleep, go to work etc etc..... of course there will be gaps.....

the freeloader traffic will always be flowing at all times from everywhere in the world

from 2am thru 8am EST are usually the least productive, most of the US surfers that can pay for a membership are not on line.

He's talking about steady sales every hour, not 24 in a day. As he said he knows people experiencing the drought at different times, the "they're working and sleeping" reasoning is out the window. Sounds to me like this is clearly something wrong with ccbill.
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06-02-2004, 09:59 AM

If you promote CCBILL, and send significant sales everyday, then you know EXACTLY what he is talking about.

You go 4-6 hours without a sale, then check again, and then all of a sudden, you got 5-10 sales (depends on what kind of traffic you send). Then anohter 4-6 hours go by and nothing.
I always checks my sales for the previous day at about an hou past the day change, and many times a bunch of sales come in there from the previous day, that weren't there AT THE TIME OF day change. So why are these sales NOT CREDITED for today, and are instead CREDITED for yesterday?

also, CCBILL is the only sponsor where one day I'll convert 1:400, the next 1:4000. In my humble opinion, it is impossible for conversion ratios to fluctuate like without increasing the scrubbing. Maybe you go from 1:400 to 1:1200 (on an EXTREMELY bad day), but this is getting to the point where I don't want to promote CCBILL programs anymore. It's fuckign ridiculous.
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06-02-2004, 10:00 AM

Trying to explain why signups go up and down is like trying to explain why the stock market goes up and down. There is no pattern.

Lightspeedcash processes with CCbill, we get all our stats in realtime. There are ups and downs, and unless you are doing 1000+ joins per day, you don't have enough information to determine a pattern.

Something good on TV? Big new movie out today? Sports event? Severe Weather? Great weather? Holiday? New site competing with you? An ISP fucked up somewhere? Your upline traffic source suddenly pusing your favorite sponsor too? Search engine changes? Bad luck?

There are too many variables!

Do you blame your broker if your stock investment doesn't go up every day too?

CCbill is solid. If you can't handle ups and downs, you should get a 9-5 job that pays the same every week.

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06-02-2004, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by PeerPatrick
CCBill is a great company, never had anthying from them but solid performance and customer service. That being said, maybe you should call your rep and ask 'em to esplain it to you. They like being helpful.

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06-02-2004, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by Lightspeed
Trying to explain why signups go up and down is like trying to explain why the stock market goes up and down. There is no pattern.

Lightspeedcash processes with CCbill, we get all our stats in realtime. There are ups and downs, and unless you are doing 1000+ joins per day, you don't have enough information to determine a pattern.

Something good on TV? Big new movie out today? Sports event? Severe Weather? Great weather? Holiday? New site competing with you? An ISP fucked up somewhere? Your upline traffic source suddenly pusing your favorite sponsor too? Search engine changes? Bad luck?

There are too many variables!

Do you blame your broker if your stock investment doesn't go up every day too?

CCbill is solid. If you can't handle ups and downs, you should get a 9-5 job that pays the same every week.

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06-02-2004, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by Big E
You know, I always thought the same thing, but since we've gotten our NetBilling merchant account up and running, and we're able to watch every stage of the signups (including the failures), that's just how it goes.

For example, Mac and Bumble usually hits a lull from around 7pm-9pm every night. We used to joke that someone unplugged the servers every night. Very strange.

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06-02-2004, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by biskoppen
I would like the CCBILL people to explain exactly how their scrubbing system works - that would be really nice.

Are you seeing your declines go up during the sales "blackouts"? CCBill has detailed declines/scrubbing stats. If your declines aren't going up then it isn't a scrubbing issue I would think.

Perhaps get say three buddies to (try to) sign up during your blackout periods, and see what happens.
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06-02-2004, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by BV
If CCBill was scrubbing harder during your off days then you should have denial emails saying so.

What would you do when a person writes you asking why they were denied membership in your site, and when you go to check your denial letters..that person is not listed among the denails?
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06-02-2004, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by Lightspeed
Trying to explain why signups go up and down is like trying to explain why the stock market goes up and down. There is no pattern.

Lightspeedcash processes with CCbill, we get all our stats in realtime. There are ups and downs, and unless you are doing 1000+ joins per day, you don't have enough information to determine a pattern.

Something good on TV? Big new movie out today? Sports event? Severe Weather? Great weather? Holiday? New site competing with you? An ISP fucked up somewhere? Your upline traffic source suddenly pusing your favorite sponsor too? Search engine changes? Bad luck?

There are too many variables!

Do you blame your broker if your stock investment doesn't go up every day too?

CCbill is solid. If you can't handle ups and downs, you should get a 9-5 job that pays the same every week.

Steve Lightspeed

no, youre missing the point.
we pretty much feel this is a reporting issue. I've had affiliate owners who use CCBILL only with lots of sales say the same thing, that they think affiliate sales are processed in batches.

This thread isn't directed to people who get 3 sales a day, and wonder why 3 sales can come in an hour, and go the rest of the day with nothing. We know its ups and downs.

We're experienced enough to already know that. There is some sort of reporting issue. When you go 10 hours with nothing, then 15 sales in an hour, then the rest of the day with nothing. Check at 12 AM, there is no increase in sales. Then you check at 1 AM, and the previous day's sales have anohter 10 sales added on to it, then there is a reporting issue - its not real time.

Explain to me why at 12 AM all the sales for the day aren't there, but by 1 AM they are...

How can I convert consistently for months at 1:400-1:600, and then drop to 1:4000 for a day. Its easy to say there are ups and down, but the likelihood of natural swings like this are VERY unlikely.

Like I said, look at the title of this thread, its directed at people who get significant sales.
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06-02-2004, 01:22 PM

I know my business very well - I work with numbers 24/7.

I know when I'm having a bad day, and I know when the scrub is on. I know if my sales are coming in realtime, and I know when they are not.

The only other possible explanation for this could be summertime.
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06-02-2004, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by Centurion
What would you do when a person writes you asking why they were denied membership in your site, and when you go to check your denial letters..that person is not listed among the denails?

I would assume FRAUD like that he was using a stolen credit card or a bogus checking account. or just plain lying.

I guess where you are going with this is that CCBill is not sending all the denial emails? If that is the case I'm sure they would have been busted long ago and I seriously doubt that is the case.

If you know of such a case then ask him to try again and get him to save/copy the page that tells him he is being denied and go from there.
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06-02-2004, 03:43 PM

I had awesome day yesterday with CCBILL, but today fucking sucks.
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06-02-2004, 04:08 PM

I just did some checking.
Today... We are seeing affiliate sale notification emails within an hour of the signup email.

Hope everyone's stats are looking good today.

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06-02-2004, 04:53 PM

ccbill works great for us. they're a stand-up company and have always treated us with respect. there are such a thing as traffic flows ... and they can get frustrating at times .. but the reality is it happens no matter who you are processing with or who you are sending traffic to.

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06-02-2004, 04:58 PM

i may have sceen what you're refering to on another processor- i don't know if ccbill does this but some processors will batch sales - thus it will appear that you get no sales for a few hours and then suddenly some sales - in reality the sales came in over a smooth stretch but due to high volumes at a partucular time or some other reason they have to not update the sales immediatly and batch or hold them from showing on the stats for a little bit.

never analize sales hour to house - analize day and week to week.

i never watch my ccbill sales so close as to see hourly trends - so i can't comment on them there - abd doing that would drive me nuts - but day to day and week to week they seem steady and strong for me.

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06-02-2004, 05:44 PM

Been reading this whole thread. So you guys are saying that CCBILL basically sometimes has a few signups that are delayed for a few hours? or days? correct
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06-03-2004, 03:18 AM

2 sales in the last 8000 clicks

A sponsor of mine usually doing 1:500 - 1:900 did 1:5000 yesterday..

To me it seems like its some paysite accounts they turn the scrub on for some days .. and the ones I'm promoting sure is turned on yesterday and today ...

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06-03-2004, 08:24 AM

Let me add that I've tried to make test signups several times, and all of them succeded

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