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  • digifan
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    • Oct 2002
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    Are you a perfectionist?

    Perfectionists more prone to emotional, physical and relationship problems

    See test at the end of the article.

    Tue Jun 1, 5:59 PM ET

    TORONTO (CP) - Everyone knows the old adage that nobody's perfect. But that doesn't stop a lot of people from being perfectionists - a personality trait that Canadian researchers say can lead to multiple health problems.

    Gordon Flett, a professor of psychology at Toronto's York University, says perfectionists are under constant stress, making them prone to a host of emotional, physical and relationship problems, including depression, eating disorders, chronic pain syndrome, marital discord and even suicide.

    Flett, co-author of several studies on perfectionism, said perfectionists not only hold unrealistically high standards, but also judge themselves or others as always falling short.

    "Perfectionism is the need to be - or to appear - perfect," says Flett. "Perfectionists are persistent, detailed and organized high achievers.

    "Perfectionists vary in their behaviours: some strive to conceal their imperfections; others attempt to project an image of perfection. But all perfectionists have in common extremely high standards for themselves or for others."

    Flett and fellow psychology professor Paul Hewitt of the University of British Columbia, a long-term research collaborator, have developed a 45-item questionnaire to identify the three types of perfectionists: self-oriented (expect perfection of themselves); other-oriented (demand perfection from others); and socially prescribed (think others expect perfection from them).

    Called the Multidimensional Perfectionism Scale, it is the first personality test that focuses specifically on the trait from a multi-dimensional perspective, Flett said in an interview Tuesday.

    The scale was published this week by Toronto-based Multi-Health Systems Inc., which develops and delivers assessment and diagnostic products. It can be used by mental-health professionals, for example, to evaluate a person's level of perfectionism and whether it may be harmful. The scale could also be used by companies to profile potential employees and to steer them into jobs for which they are best-suited.

    Flett said perfectionism can usually be traced to childhood and "could be a life-long pattern." In some cases, the trait arises from having a perfectionistic parent, with high expectations of themselves or others.

    Today's children are particularly prone to perfectionism, in part because of societal and often parental pressure to be high achievers, he said. "But, of course, being in a culture where you're bombarded with images of the ideal person - whether it's in terms of behaviour or appearance - and picking up on those messages also plays a role."

    And the trait can develop early, a 1994 experiment involving 30 preschoolers at a Toronto computer camp showed. The researchers asked the children, aged four and five, questions to try to determine perfectionism levels, then gave the kids a computer task that was rigged to not work.

    The highly perfectionistic children identified in the group showed greater signs of extreme distress, such as elevated anger and anxiety, Flett said.

    He suggests parents need to reassure children that they are liked or loved for themselves, not because of how well they perform a certain task.

    For those who want to abandon perfectionism - recognizing that it's unhealthy - Flett suggests honestly assessing the behaviour and asking: "Is this working for me?"

    But he said it's often difficult for perfectionists to change because the very behaviour that can be harmful to health can also "bring about big rewards" because it can lead to life and career accomplishments.

    "Everybody acknowledges that nobody's perfect," Flett mused, "but still people are trying to be that one person."

    Are you a perfectionist? Gordon Flett, a Toronto psychology professor who specializes in studying perfectionism, has devised a list of telltale signs:


    1. You can't stop thinking about a mistake you made.

    2. You are intensely competitive and can't stand doing worse than others.

    3. You either want to do something "just right" or not at all.

    4. You demand perfection from other people.

    5. You won't ask for help if asking can be perceived as a flaw or weakness.

    6. You will persist at a task long after other people have quit.

    7. You are a fault-finder who must correct other people when they are wrong.

    8. You are highly aware of other people's demands and expectations.

    9. You are very self-conscious about making mistakes in front of other people.

    10. You noticed the error in the headline.

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  • Mr. Marks
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    #2
    I'm not perfect so there's no sense expecting other people to be perfect too.

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    • digifan
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      #3
      Originally posted by papichulo
      I'm not perfect so there's no sense expecting other people to be perfect too.
      Good call
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      • pimplink
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        #4
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        • Tempest
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          #5
          Yes I am. I recognise this as a perceived flaw, am working on fixing it and won't stop until I do.

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          • digifan
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            #6
            And do you love them.. all?
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              nice post

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              • ModelPerfect
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                #8
                Yeah, I'm a perfectionist. I admit it, dammit. That's a flaw...I'm not perfect....AAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHH! IT'S DRIVING ME CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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                • digifan
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by ModelPerfect
                  Yeah, I'm a perfectionist. I admit it, dammit. That's a flaw...I'm not perfect....AAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHH! IT'S DRIVING ME CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
                  You don't have to be perfect to be a perfectionist, do you???
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                  • baddog
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                    #10
                    perfectionist? moi? not hardly . . . I just do the best I can . . . although I do like to put my best foot forward, and if that means I try to make sure my spelling and grammar is correct on an adult bbs, so be it

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                    • ModelPerfect
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by digifan
                      You don't have to be perfect to be a perfectionist, do you???
                      evidently not. lol
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                      • pure energy
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by digifan
                        You don't have to be perfect to be a perfectionist, do you???

                        How can you demand perfection if you're not perfect yourself?
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                        • digifan
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by pure energy
                          How can you demand perfection if you're not perfect yourself?
                          Of course I am perfect lol.. it was for Modelperfect
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                          • ocho-ocho
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                            #14
                            ouch!
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                            • digifan
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by pure energy
                              How can you demand perfection if you're not perfect yourself?
                              Ok I tell you how... you are a big company and demand perfection from your employees.. do you have to be perfect?
                              You are an average webmaster, someone posts a would-you-hit-it pic and you reply: no thanks that girl does nothing for me.

                              Got me?
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                              • ModelPerfect
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by digifan
                                Of course I am perfect lol.. it was for Modelperfect
                                *sigh*
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                                • ModelPerfect
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by digifan
                                  Ok I tell you how... you are a big company and demand perfection from your employees.. do you have to be perfect?
                                  You are an average webmaster, someone posts a would-you-hit-it pic and you reply: no thanks that girl does nothing for me.

                                  Got me?
                                  Is that perfection or just high standards?
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                                  • digifan
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by ocho-ocho
                                    ouch!
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                                    • digifan
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by baddog
                                      perfectionist? moi? not hardly . . . I just do the best I can . . . although I do like to put my best foot forward, and if that means I try to make sure my spelling and grammar is correct on an adult bbs, so be it
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                                      • ModelPerfect
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by digifan
                                        ditto
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                                        • digifan
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by ModelPerfect
                                          Is that perfection or just high standards?
                                          Not perfection.. only perfectionalism.

                                          Read the test again please.

                                          Are you a perfectionist? Gordon Flett, a Toronto psychology professor who specializes in studying perfectionism, has devised a list of telltale signs:


                                          1. You can't stop thinking about a mistake you made.

                                          2. You are intensely competitive and can't stand doing worse than others.

                                          3. You either want to do something "just right" or not at all.

                                          4. You demand perfection from other people.

                                          5. You won't ask for help if asking can be perceived as a flaw or weakness.

                                          6. You will persist at a task long after other people have quit.

                                          7. You are a fault-finder who must correct other people when they are wrong.

                                          8. You are highly aware of other people's demands and expectations.

                                          9. You are very self-conscious about making mistakes in front of other people.

                                          10. You noticed the error in the headline.
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                                          • Aquarius
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                                            #22
                                            Nice reading, I'm not perfectionst, but I like to do my best in everything I do.

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                                            • digifan
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Aquarius
                                              Nice reading, I'm not perfectionst, but I like to do my best in everything I do.
                                              Like most honest and hard working people would do... and it makes us human. To err is human.
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                                              • ModelPerfect
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by digifan
                                                Not perfection.. only perfectionalism.

                                                You are an average webmaster, someone posts a would-you-hit-it pic and you reply: no thanks that girl does nothing for me.

                                                No, I mean is that really perfectionism or are your standards for women simply higher than normal?

                                                ...I'm probably 7 out of 10
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                                                • digifan
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by ModelPerfect
                                                  No, I mean is that really perfectionism or are your standards for women simply higher than normal?

                                                  ...I'm probably 7 out of 10
                                                  I am female!!! That was meant to be a sample.. oh well. But I am a perfectionist myself I think in a wicked way.. i.e. when things which are beyond me turn for the worse I often blame myself.
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                                                  • ModelPerfect
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by digifan
                                                    I am female!!! That was meant to be a sample.. oh well. But I am a perfectionist myself I think in a wicked way.. i.e. when things which are beyond me turn for the worse I often blame myself.
                                                    I know you're female dig...I was talking in generalized terms. i.e. projecting to the masses in 2nd person.
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                                                    • KRL
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                                                      #27
                                                      Yes. I've tapered it and controlled it much more when I was younger. I still have a hard time finding anyone who can keep up with me so its frustrating cause I end up just handling the task myself so I know it will be done right.

                                                      I'm comfortable with it, but I know a lot of people can't deal with perfectionists.
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                                                      • digifan
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by KRL
                                                        Yes. I've tapered it and controlled it much more when I was younger. I still have a hard time finding anyone who can keep up with me so its frustrating cause I end up just handling the task myself so I know it will be done right.

                                                        I'm comfortable with it, but I know a lot of people can't deal with perfectionists.
                                                        I think successful people are all perfectionists.. you have to be one to achieve your goals.. but it is saomehow similar to stress, a certain amount of it helps, but a huge dose can make you ill or fail.
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                                                        • pure energy
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                                                          I know people have flaws and I can deal with that.
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                                                          • ModelPerfect
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by digifan
                                                            I think successful people are all perfectionists.. you have to be one to achieve your goals.. but it is saomehow similar to stress, a certain amount of it helps, but a huge dose can make you ill or fail.
                                                            True. Also, the questions in your initial test for perfectionism also suggested egocism. I can't think of anything that will make someone fall harder than ego...
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                                                            • digifan
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by ModelPerfect
                                                              True. Also, the questions in your initial test for perfectionism also suggested egocism. I can't think of anything that will make someone fall harder than ego...
                                                              Ego.. oh yes.. reminds me of this quote by a wise man.
                                                              "Self-importance is our greatest enemy. Think about it - what weakens us is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellowmen. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by someone." ~ Carlos Castaneda

                                                              Did we find the root of all evil?
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                                                              • ModelPerfect
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by digifan
                                                                Ego.. oh yes.. reminds me of this quote by a wise man.
                                                                "Self-importance is our greatest enemy. Think about it - what weakens us is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellowmen. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by someone." ~ Carlos Castaneda

                                                                Did we find the root of all evil?
                                                                Here's another one:
                                                                "Practice doesn't make perfect; practice makes permanent...PERFECT practice makes perfect."
                                                                Not sure the source, but it's something we say in class a lot.
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                                                                • ModelPerfect
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by digifan
                                                                  Ego.. oh yes.. reminds me of this quote by a wise man.
                                                                  "Self-importance is our greatest enemy. Think about it - what weakens us is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellowmen. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by someone." ~ Carlos Castaneda

                                                                  Did we find the root of all evil?
                                                                  Personally, I think the root to all evil is apathy.
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                                                                  • digifan
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by ModelPerfect
                                                                    Personally, I think the root to all evil is apathy.
                                                                    Hmm.. you made me apathic
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                                                                    • Jeff aka NIGHTfall
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                                                                      i know im not, ill take a pic of my room later..its a fucking mess

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                                                                        • pimplink
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                                                                          Originally posted by Jeff aka NIGHTfall
                                                                          i know im not, ill take a pic of my room later..its a fucking mess

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                                                                          • Goose
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by ModelPerfect
                                                                            Here's another one:
                                                                            "Practice doesn't make perfect; practice makes permanent...PERFECT practice makes perfect."
                                                                            Not sure the source, but it's something we say in class a lot.
                                                                            hehe that's hard to follow.
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                                                                            • digifan
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by Goose
                                                                              hehe that's hard to follow.
                                                                              I had to read it twice too
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                                                                                • digifan
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by chemicaleyes
                                                                                  Thanks
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                                                                                  • samuel
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                                                                                    haha.. nice article!..

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                                                                                    • Tala
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Uhoh.


                                                                                      Good read, digifan.

                                                                                      And yes, I found the error.

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                                                                                      • digifan
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by Tala
                                                                                        Uhoh.


                                                                                        Good read, digifan.

                                                                                        And yes, I found the error.
                                                                                        Of course you did.. you are a writer
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                                                                                        • Za Ha
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Yes, Im perfect.

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                                                                                          • Mr-No
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Yes (and if I can say, unfortunatelly), I'm perfectionist...
                                                                                            But, you know what, I'm lazy too... So that is very bad combination




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                                                                                              i suream ,i cant stand emperfections

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                                                                                              • Tala
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by digifan
                                                                                                Of course you did.. you are a writer
                                                                                                I'm a perfectionist.

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                                                                                                • SureFire
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Good read but how do the researches lead back to perfectionist parents?

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                                                                                                  • digifan
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by SureFire
                                                                                                    Good read but how do the researches lead back to perfectionist parents?
                                                                                                    Today's children are particularly prone to perfectionism, in part because of societal and often parental pressure to be high achievers.. so the children of perfectionist parents take the highest risk.
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