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  • AkiraSS
    Wemaxa.com
    • Jan 2003
    • 2989

    #1

    When you stop being profitable, some sponsors turn off sales for you

    We sent lots of traffic to various sponsors and I've noticed something with the emerging sponsors that offer free trials. We were sending constantly around 1000-2000 hits per day averaging at 10 sales per day and converting around 1:160 overall on unique hits. It was solid for 9 months.

    Then the sponsor changed their stats system to one of the new, emerging, blah blah stat systems by one of the annoying board people. Since the changed, our sales stopped. I won't go into our traffic, it's the same traffic. We ofcourse contacted the owner of the program, he looked into it and told us that everything is fine with the system, every affiliate was fine, and it was only us experiencing issues. So, how come 9 months constant sales, constant conversions and since the change 0 sales.

    I ofcourse dropped the sponsor. Pitty, they were our #1 sponsor and it was hard for me to change all the links.

    The point is, if we weren't profitable for them, they should've told us and we'd just stop promoting them, stopping sales completely is a bad unprofessional move. I doubt we weren't profitable tho, the traffic being sent was virgin typein traffic.
  • cherrylula
    lol
    • Jan 2002
    • 15969

    #2
    hmmm I've had similar thing happen. Now you have me curious.

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    • polish_aristocrat
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Jul 2002
      • 40377

      #3
      Originally posted by AkiraSS
      Then the sponsor changed their stats system to one of the new, emerging, blah blah stat systems by one of the annoying board people.
      this made me laugh
      I don't use ICQ anymore.

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      • Jace
        FBOP Class Of 2013
        • Jan 2004
        • 35562

        #4
        i know it sounds cliche

        but what sponsor was it?

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        • cherrylula
          lol
          • Jan 2002
          • 15969

          #5
          did they switch to nats by chance?

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          • polish_aristocrat
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Jul 2002
            • 40377

            #6
            Originally posted by cherrylula
            did they switch to nats by chance?
            i think he meant someone else, lol
            I don't use ICQ anymore.

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            • PornHero
              Confirmed User
              • Feb 2001
              • 1381

              #7
              Originally posted by cherrylula
              hmmm I've had similar thing happen. Now you have me curious.
              ditto.

              I think every adultwebmaster has at least one sponsor that has the webmaster saying;

              hmmmm...


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              • Antonio
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • Oct 2001
                • 14136

                #8
                Originally posted by cherrylula
                did they switch to nats by chance?
                I don't know of any other 'emerging, blah blah stat system', do you ?

                ;)

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                • AkiraSS
                  Wemaxa.com
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 2989

                  #9
                  No, they switched to Brad Shaw's Executive stats

                  I've tried sponsors with a NATS backend, they convert 3 times worse that our average.

                  Our main sponsors now don't use NATS nor Executive stats.

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                  • Antonio
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Oct 2001
                    • 14136

                    #10
                    Originally posted by AkiraSS
                    No, they switched to Brad Shaw's Executive stats

                    I've tried sponsors with a NATS backend, they convert 3 times worse that our average.

                    Our main sponsors now don't use NATS nor Executive stats.
                    lol I forgot about Brad Shaw........

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                    • gxer
                      Confirmed User
                      • Dec 2002
                      • 846

                      #11
                      Originally posted by AkiraSS
                      No, they switched to Brad Shaw's Executive stats

                      I've tried sponsors with a NATS backend, they convert 3 times worse that our average.

                      Our main sponsors now don't use NATS nor Executive stats.
                      now you'll see how many honest programs will post here - "try our program bla bla bla try our program bla bla bla " cause they want your type-in traffic too.
                      Don't send your type-ins to any honest program - open yours for god sake.

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                      • lloyd
                        Confirmed User
                        • May 2002
                        • 798

                        #12
                        Originally posted by AkiraSS
                        No, they switched to Brad Shaw's Executive stats

                        I've tried sponsors with a NATS backend, they convert 3 times worse that our average.

                        Our main sponsors now don't use NATS nor Executive stats.
                        perhaps the non-nats/executive ones werent allowing for fraudulent shit and just paying out on everything regardless of chargebacks? i dunno, just a guess here but def not trying to attack your traffic

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                        • cherrylula
                          lol
                          • Jan 2002
                          • 15969

                          #13
                          maybe executive stats comes with the shave on by default.

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                          • Fletch XXX
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                            • Jan 2002
                            • 60840

                            #14
                            Originally posted by AkiraSS
                            No, they switched to Brad Shaw's Executive stats
                            i think this was pretty obvious.

                            doesnt "shaw" mean shave in canadian?

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                            • Manowar
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                              • Dec 2003
                              • 71528

                              #15
                              Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
                              this made me laugh
                              same

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                              • Smut
                                Confirmed User
                                • Sep 2002
                                • 654

                                #16
                                Didn't the SIC in "SICCash" used to stand for "Shave In Commission"?

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                                • KRL
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                                  • Oct 2002
                                  • 31429

                                  #17
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                                  • Persius
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                                    • Jul 2003
                                    • 11779

                                    #18
                                    Sounds like something i have heard in the past

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                                    • emthree
                                      Dialer Kingpin
                                      • Jun 2003
                                      • 10816

                                      #19
                                      I've noticed this happen once or twice too.
                                      The traffic was the same, but the sales just dropped after they did some "updates".

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                                      • http
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Oct 2001
                                        • 1811

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                                        i think this was pretty obvious.

                                        doesnt "shaw" mean shave in canadian?

                                        hahaha ha

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                                        • Funky Bastard
                                          So Fucking Banned
                                          • Nov 2004
                                          • 2544

                                          #21
                                          Same shit happen to me on a few sponsor's some even wiped out my webmaster referrals to It's fucking bullshit but hey what can you do just stop useing them.
                                          Last edited by Funky Bastard; 03-05-2005, 06:54 PM.

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                                          • TMM_John
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • May 2004
                                            • 6664

                                            #22
                                            Lots of assumptions by lots of people in this thread.

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                                            • Thomas1007
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Aug 2002
                                              • 5542

                                              #23
                                              This happens to every webmaster if your around long enough.
                                              Sad but true. Then again you cant blame the software, you have to
                                              look at the sponsors ethics. There are Other affiliate software suites
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                                              • OG LennyT
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                                                • Jun 2003
                                                • 14345

                                                #24
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                                                • Worldnet
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                  • 996

                                                  #25
                                                  Only industry that knows they are being screwed, and is happy with it. I trust none of them.

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                                                  • SomeCreep
                                                    :glugglug
                                                    • Mar 2003
                                                    • 26118

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by AkiraSS
                                                    Then the sponsor changed their stats system to one of the new, emerging, blah blah stat systems by one of the annoying board people. Since the changed, our sales stopped. I won't go into our traffic, it's the same traffic. We ofcourse contacted the owner of the program, he looked into it and told us that everything is fine with the system, every affiliate was fine, and it was only us experiencing issues. So, how come 9 months constant sales, constant conversions and since the change 0 sales.

                                                    I ofcourse dropped the sponsor. Pitty, they were our #1 sponsor and it was hard for me to change all the links.
                                                    .
                                                    Name the sponsor and perhaps other webmasters can relate similar experiences they've had with them.

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                                                    • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                      best designer on GFY
                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                      • 30307

                                                      #27
                                                      Prolly somthing about the join templates.

                                                      Believe it or not traffic is very very affected by the join form.
                                                      Any change to a join form has some sorta impact.
                                                      SOmetimes good, sometimes bad.

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                                                      • slapass
                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                        • Nov 2002
                                                        • 14625

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by AkiraSS
                                                        the emerging sponsors that offer free trials.

                                                        Then the sponsor changed their stats system to one of the new, emerging, blah blah stat systems by one of the annoying board people.
                                                        Who the heck matches those 2 statements?

                                                        The guy mentioned join page hit it on the head. Look closely as it is hard to see.

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                                                        • Meloman
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                          • 1540

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                          Prolly somthing about the join templates.

                                                          Believe it or not traffic is very very affected by the join form.
                                                          Any change to a join form has some sorta impact.
                                                          SOmetimes good, sometimes bad.
                                                          I agree. It could very well be that the sponsor isn't shaving but the new join form template from the new stats program just isn't converting as well as the old one.

                                                          Could be something as simple as the "free trial" checkbox isn't checked by default and the monthly one is now. Or maybe they've updated there "disclosure" to cut down on chargebacks and it's now worded in a way that cuts down on sales etc.. ie. the small print that says the trial converts to full membership at the bottom of the join page may stand out more on the new template or is worded in a way that makes it so clear it scares of some surfers cause they thought it was really free.

                                                          I think people are too quick to jump to the "shave" word. I've personally have seen the same things happen but then with further inquiry I've found that it was the join page that changed. Simple tweaks to the join page can easily increase/decrease sales.

                                                          The question though is if it really is something like the join page then ALL sales should have been effected from all affiliates.

                                                          Just my 2

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                                                          • slapass
                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                            • Nov 2002
                                                            • 14625

                                                            #30
                                                            I wish he would confirm the sponsor but it was a bigger change then that for the one I am thinking of. Very global and affected his conversions.

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                                                            • Shoplifter
                                                              Richest man in Babylon
                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                              • 5848

                                                              #31
                                                              This has happened many times to me...I can remember doing $5k / month with big sponsors back when they were revshare and as soon as they went PPS with "one of the annoying systems" it went to -zero-.

                                                              Never, ever trust a system with hidden accounting.

                                                              Those people who say that PPS is fine for them almost certainly have no benchmark for comparing traffic. As I run both my own paysites and send some sponsor traffic I can easily find who is screwing me...
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                                                              • nico-t
                                                                emperor of my world
                                                                • Aug 2004
                                                                • 29903

                                                                #32
                                                                have a sponsor
                                                                converted about 1:700 in the first 3 months or so
                                                                all of a sudden the whole january month converted about 1:150
                                                                and now it looks like theyre back at my first ratio

                                                                plus i have one sponsor that converts like 1:800 all the time. Im positibe theyre shaving..
                                                                but the fucked up thing is; we cant ever check if its not the case since the stats systems are run by the sponsors themselfs.

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                                                                • nico-t
                                                                  emperor of my world
                                                                  • Aug 2004
                                                                  • 29903

                                                                  #33
                                                                  btw; not talking about the one in my sig in both cases.. so join em ;)

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                                                                  • Tom_PM
                                                                    Porn Meister
                                                                    • Feb 2005
                                                                    • 16443

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Did you do a test signup and observe the results? If not, why not?

                                                                    I'm pretty sure I know the program, and I've had similar sales since the changeover as before the changeover.

                                                                    I've also changed links to the new links because it was easy for me to do, and I like to stay up on linking codes if they change.

                                                                    Anyway, good luck.
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                                                                    • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                      ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                      • Jun 2004
                                                                      • 28609

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by AkiraSS
                                                                      I've tried sponsors with a NATS backend, they convert 3 times worse that our average.

                                                                      I have noticed this as well.

                                                                      Sponsors should be`aware when they suddenly notice a LARGE increase in sales without ref codes after switching to NATS. SOMETHING IS WRONG
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                                                                      • Furious_Female
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                                        • 8187

                                                                        #36
                                                                        I've been singing this same tune for 5 years now...

                                                                        "Nothing wrong on our end, must be your traffic"

                                                                        Consistent traffic/sales don't change overnight, that's bullshit.
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                                                                        • Matt_WildCash
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Jan 2003
                                                                          • 1699

                                                                          #37
                                                                          People mention shaving too quickly. Join page changing can effect sales greatly.

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                                                                          • thaifan99
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Jul 2003
                                                                            • 3029

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Shaving and blocking are 2 very different things.....

                                                                            One of my sponsors regularly must block me.......i saw my epoch stats once and i was quite profitable......so i trebled my sales with them........maybe im not now.....stats started wild fluctuations.
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                                                                            • BIGTYMER
                                                                              Junior Achiever
                                                                              • Nov 2004
                                                                              • 17066

                                                                              #39
                                                                              What a thread...

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                                                                              • zentz
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Nov 2003
                                                                                • 8062

                                                                                #40
                                                                                like we dont know that...
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                                                                                • bigdog
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                                  • 6964

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  what i really like is when i open a new accout with that same sponsor the sales all of a sudden start to come back

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                                                                                  • opflix
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Jul 2002
                                                                                    • 1428

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    someone hit the nail on the head here... sponsors don't "shave" anymore, they just use software to "evaluate" the productivity & profitability of your traffic & if it isn't making a certain amount more than they are paying for it, they just don't report that you ever sent the signup. simple... basically, they are putting the burden of "finding" their money rather on the webmaster rather than accepting the responsibility that is up to THEM how much money they make from your traffic (they make money whether u send signups or not so.... strange concept).


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                                                                                    • Worldnet
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Feb 2003
                                                                                      • 996

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by opflix
                                                                                      someone hit the nail on the head here... sponsors don't "shave" anymore, they just use software to "evaluate" the productivity & profitability of your traffic & if it isn't making a certain amount more than they are paying for it, they just don't report that you ever sent the signup. simple... basically, they are putting the burden of "finding" their money rather on the webmaster rather than accepting the responsibility that is up to THEM how much money they make from your traffic (they make money whether u send signups or not so.... strange concept).


                                                                                      ..
                                                                                      You hit it right on the head!

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                                                                                      • mikeyddddd
                                                                                        Viva la vulva!
                                                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                                                        • 16557

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by PornHero
                                                                                        ditto.

                                                                                        I think every adultwebmaster has at least one sponsor that has the webmaster saying;

                                                                                        hmmmm...


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                                                                                        • Relish XXX
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Dec 2004
                                                                                          • 4904

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          I dont believe in switching people off without them knowing but I dont see why a sponsor should pay for something when they arent making a return. If all their affiliates were unprofitable then the company would close and no-one would get paid.

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                                                                                          • Steve
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Feb 2001
                                                                                            • 6894

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            maybe the new software just sucks, and doesn't credit the affiliate with the join? The sponsor sees the same total joins coming in - but your lost joins go to the master account.

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                                                                                            • mardigras
                                                                                              Bon temps!
                                                                                              • Feb 2003
                                                                                              • 14194

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by Relish XXX
                                                                                              I dont believe in switching people off without them knowing but I dont see why a sponsor should pay for something when they arent making a return. If all their affiliates were unprofitable then the company would close and no-one would get paid.
                                                                                              If sales from an affiliate aren't "profitable" and the solution is to steal them, the sponsor needs to rethink their business model.
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                                                                                              • bigdog
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Jul 2001
                                                                                                • 6964

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                It would be hard for a big program to keep the fact that they shave quiet, unless the operators were programmers themselves so they don't have to rely on any tech help

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                                                                                                • Furious_Male
                                                                                                  Doing the grind since 99
                                                                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                                                                  • 16884

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  I have seen this over and over through the years as well. I dread any sort of upgrade at this point as it always seem to lead to lower sales (coincidence or not). I think Alien has a very valid point with the join form. When one of my sponsors is playing with the join form I am quick to catch it. The worst is the newer forms that really show the surfer they can pay by check or phone when the program doesn't pay the affiliate for those signups.

                                                                                                  Let me also throw processors into the mix as well here. One of the private programs I send traffic to has been kind enough to show me my attempt to join/approve ratios on a regular basis. I am amazed at the amount of declines that come through on the "bad days".

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                                                                                                  • Relish XXX
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Dec 2004
                                                                                                    • 4904

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by mardigras
                                                                                                    If sales from an affiliate aren't "profitable" and the solution is to steal them, the sponsor needs to rethink their business model.
                                                                                                    I wasnt saying steal them. What I was trying to say is that say an affliate is sending you 100 sign ups per month on a free trail sign up program and none of them are becoming full members then why should the program waste $3500 for that traffic? If it was me I would drop an email to the affiliate saying that in 10 days from now your account will be deactivated and you will be paid up to that date.

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