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  • JFPdude
    Confirmed User
    • Jan 2002
    • 4027

    #1

    Want to learn SEO ?

    Learn how to build your own SEO matrix.

    2 hours in a closed irc chat room with an SEO expert. Going over how to build your matrix for the keywords you want. Get the search engine placements you desire.

    Who needs this?

    Anybody that cannot get the search engine placements they desire.

    What will you recieve?

    Real honest answers to SEO. Not canned board answers that will have you spinning in circles.

    Due to the fact this information is highly guarded and not public knowledge. There will be a limit of 50 people able to sign up for this.

    Who is doing the seminar? Ray aka AdvertisingSex

    Why is he doing this? The proceeds will go to fund his newest project. (You'll want to watch for that also)

    Cost? $1000.00

    This is not a high price at all for real SEO answers. Many SEO seminars cost upwards of $1000.00 and only really offer 1 hour of training in actual SEO. What this information will do for your online business is amazing.

    Source: http://www.highrankings.com/spring05-seo-seminar.htm

    Notice in that ad there is only 45 minutes of real SEO and the rest is fluff. This will be 2 hours of SEO no fluff.


    Don't think it can be done?

    Do a search on yahoo for ashlee simpson nude out of the first 20 links the 13 are owned by the SEO moderator. The whole 3rd page is his also.

    The chat will be moderated so that only people who have paid will be able to ask questions. People who haven't paid will not be allowed access.

    Want to register? Email seo (at) htmlplace dot com


    Bonus: Everyone who signs up will recieve 2 weeks free follow up via aim or ICQ. So thats 2 hours of pure SEO information and 2 free weeks of follow up on AIM or ICQ.

    See the results for yourself
  • pornstar2pac
    Omaha Hi/Lo
    • Nov 2003
    • 17380

    #2
    I bought the ebook, thanks
    Trump haters gonna hate. that's all they can do

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    • clickclickclick
      Confirmed User
      • Jan 2005
      • 1227

      #3
      i hired www.valueweb.com for all my traffic needs


      jk
      if you need more than 3 clicks to get to a join page, something is wrong ;)

      p.s. i still bring the sales whores here.

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      • Tanker
        Confirmed User
        • Nov 2000
        • 9287

        #4
        very nice guys


        good luck with it that should be good for anyone that takes up the offer

        Tanker
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        • mufas
          Confirmed User
          • Sep 2004
          • 1054

          #5
          2 hours in a closed irc chat room with an SEO expert.

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          • JFPdude
            Confirmed User
            • Jan 2002
            • 4027

            #6
            Originally posted by pornstar2pac
            I bought the ebook, thanks
            Cool what did you get out of it? Have any top placements?

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            • JFPdude
              Confirmed User
              • Jan 2002
              • 4027

              #7
              Originally posted by Tanker
              very nice guys


              good luck with it that should be good for anyone that takes up the offer
              Thanks man.

              Hit me up on ICQ sometime ... been a while since we chatted.

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              • JFPdude
                Confirmed User
                • Jan 2002
                • 4027

                #8
                Originally posted by clickclickclick
                i hired www.valueweb.com for all my traffic needs


                jk

                Hope they got better at thier services. When I hosted with them years ago I was on the phone many hours a day trying to get stuff working.

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                • clickclickclick
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jan 2005
                  • 1227

                  #9
                  Originally posted by JFPdude
                  Hope they got better at thier services. When I hosted with them years ago I was on the phone many hours a day trying to get stuff working.
                  i just picked them coz it was advertised in wired while i was on the can.

                  IMO, its not hard getting on yahoo. ive seen those "matrix" before. but does ur price include software?
                  if you need more than 3 clicks to get to a join page, something is wrong ;)

                  p.s. i still bring the sales whores here.

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                  • kmanrox
                    aka K-Man
                    • Oct 2001
                    • 29295

                    #10
                    JPFDUDE YOU FUCKED ME AND MY COMPANY, here's to you and your poor ethics:








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                    • JFPdude
                      Confirmed User
                      • Jan 2002
                      • 4027

                      #11
                      Originally posted by clickclickclick
                      i just picked them coz it was advertised in wired while i was on the can.

                      IMO, its not hard getting on yahoo. ive seen those "matrix" before. but does ur price include software?
                      No software needed. I stated real answers.

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                      • WiredGuy
                        Pounding Googlebot
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 34512

                        #12
                        Is this the same guy who was outlashing at xxxjay for not knowing what he's doing because he partnered up with iwebmasters to offer SEO consulting at discounted prices?

                        WG
                        I play with Google.

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                        • JFPdude
                          Confirmed User
                          • Jan 2002
                          • 4027

                          #13
                          Originally posted by WiredGuy
                          Is this the same guy who was outlashing at xxxjay for not knowing what he's doing because he partnered up with iwebmasters to offer SEO consulting at discounted prices?

                          WG

                          Don't believe so ... Link?

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                          • JFPdude
                            Confirmed User
                            • Jan 2002
                            • 4027

                            #14
                            Originally posted by WiredGuy
                            Is this the same guy who was outlashing at xxxjay for not knowing what he's doing because he partnered up with iwebmasters to offer SEO consulting at discounted prices?

                            WG
                            I stand corrected but you can see which way that conversation turned.

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                            • Fatalspeed
                              Confirmed User
                              • Sep 2002
                              • 2101

                              #15
                              Originally posted by WiredGuy
                              Is this the same guy who was outlashing at xxxjay for not knowing what he's doing because he partnered up with iwebmasters to offer SEO consulting at discounted prices?

                              WG
                              yes he is... he was also very desperate to sell his sites. If you checked out the site he was trying to sell for $40k, it are all duplicated pages just with a different name and 4 pictures, im not sure if that's what he calls SEO?
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                              • JFPdude
                                Confirmed User
                                • Jan 2002
                                • 4027

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Fatalspeed
                                yes he is... he was also very desperate to sell his sites. If you checked out the site he was trying to sell for $40k, it are all duplicated pages just with a different name and 4 pictures, im not sure if that's what he calls SEO?
                                I don't see him being desperate to sell his sites. He offered them for sale and nobody wanted to pay what they were worth. Therefore he decided to keep them.

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                                • Alex
                                  So Fucking Banned (YEA!!)
                                  • Jun 2004
                                  • 10963

                                  #17
                                  But the unpaid can watch thoug...
                                  Care about me?
                                  Who?
                                  Me!
                                  Who?

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                                  • JFPdude
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Jan 2002
                                    • 4027

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Alex
                                    But the unpaid can watch thoug...
                                    No they can't.

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                                    • kmanrox
                                      aka K-Man
                                      • Oct 2001
                                      • 29295

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                      Is this the same guy who was outlashing at xxxjay for not knowing what he's doing because he partnered up with iwebmasters to offer SEO consulting at discounted prices?

                                      WG

                                      um no... this is kmanrox i changed my name.
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                                      • kmanrox
                                        aka K-Man
                                        • Oct 2001
                                        • 29295

                                        #20
                                        oh WG, you're referring to someone else my bust
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                                        • budz
                                          Disruptive Innovator
                                          • Sep 2003
                                          • 4230

                                          #21
                                          SEO's do it optimized
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                                          • xenigo
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Jan 2001
                                            • 8067

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by pornstar2pac
                                            I bought the ebook, thanks
                                            can you post a link?

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                                            • JSA Matt
                                              So Fucking Banned
                                              • Aug 2003
                                              • 5464

                                              #23
                                              I'm giving 4 hour SEO seminars with my IRC bot for only $1,000, hit me up for more information! Paypal only!

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                                              • ~Ray
                                                visit hardlinks.org
                                                • Jun 2003
                                                • 18361

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                                Is this the same guy who was outlashing at xxxjay for not knowing what he's doing because he partnered up with iwebmasters to offer SEO consulting at discounted prices?

                                                WG
                                                Yes, this is only on if/when I get at least 40 webmasters wanting to learn seo.

                                                That makes it worth it to me.

                                                ~Ray
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                                                • ~Ray
                                                  visit hardlinks.org
                                                  • Jun 2003
                                                  • 18361

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Fatalspeed
                                                  yes he is... he was also very desperate to sell his sites. If you checked out the site he was trying to sell for $40k, it are all duplicated pages just with a different name and 4 pictures, im not sure if that's what he calls SEO?
                                                  I would think you'd be more interested in the results of the pages in the search engines.

                                                  But, you are right, those pages are all similar.

                                                  ~Ray
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                                                  • ~Ray
                                                    visit hardlinks.org
                                                    • Jun 2003
                                                    • 18361

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by JSA Matt
                                                    I'm giving 4 hour SEO seminars with my IRC bot for only $1,000, hit me up for more information! Paypal only!
                                                    and 2 weeks follow up? Good deal.. let's see some of your results.

                                                    ~Ray
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                                                    • pornstar2pac
                                                      Omaha Hi/Lo
                                                      • Nov 2003
                                                      • 17380

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by xenigo
                                                      can you post a link?

                                                      no, find it in google and pay for the book.





                                                      i did
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                                                      • WiredGuy
                                                        Pounding Googlebot
                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                        • 34512

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by AdvertisingSex
                                                        Yes, this is only on if/when I get at least 40 webmasters wanting to learn seo.

                                                        That makes it worth it to me.

                                                        ~Ray

                                                        Don't take this the wrong way, but I get the impression you really need 40k. The last thread where you were looking to sell your sites for around 40k didn't pan out (not sure why), and now you're looking for 40 webmasters at 1k a piece? Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but 1k for a 2 hour consultation with 40 other webmasters doesn't seem like a good deal to me. Factoring how much time it takes to get a response over irc, i doubt each webmaster would get more than 1 question answered. Good luck in this, but I doubt you'd get more than a few webmasters interestedin.

                                                        WG
                                                        I play with Google.

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                                                        • ~Ray
                                                          visit hardlinks.org
                                                          • Jun 2003
                                                          • 18361

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                                          Don't take this the wrong way, but I get the impression you really need 40k. The last thread where you were looking to sell your sites for around 40k didn't pan out (not sure why), and now you're looking for 40 webmasters at 1k a piece? Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but 1k for a 2 hour consultation with 40 other webmasters doesn't seem like a good deal to me. Factoring how much time it takes to get a response over irc, i doubt each webmaster would get more than 1 question answered. Good luck in this, but I doubt you'd get more than a few webmasters interestedin.

                                                          WG
                                                          Yes, I need $40k to finish my webmaster program. It's been in the planning for 3 years.
                                                          You are right, I don't want to spend my money to finish. I want to offer a service and use that money to finish.

                                                          I'm also offering a 2 week follow up for free. I see your point about IRC.

                                                          Thanks,

                                                          ~Ray
                                                          Last edited by ~Ray; 03-04-2005, 04:04 PM.
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                                                          • ~Ray
                                                            visit hardlinks.org
                                                            • Jun 2003
                                                            • 18361

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                                            Don't take this the wrong way, but I get the impression you really need 40k. The last thread where you were looking to sell your sites for around 40k didn't pan out (not sure why), and now you're looking for 40 webmasters at 1k a piece? Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but 1k for a 2 hour consultation with 40 other webmasters doesn't seem like a good deal to me. Factoring how much time it takes to get a response over irc, i doubt each webmaster would get more than 1 question answered. Good luck in this, but I doubt you'd get more than a few webmasters interestedin.

                                                            WG
                                                            I can hold four 2 hour sessions with 10 webmasters at a time. Still get the free 2 week follow up.

                                                            Just a thought.

                                                            ~Ray
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                                                            • Alex
                                                              So Fucking Banned (YEA!!)
                                                              • Jun 2004
                                                              • 10963

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                                              Don't take this the wrong way, but I get the impression you really need 40k. The last thread where you were looking to sell your sites for around 40k didn't pan out (not sure why), and now you're looking for 40 webmasters at 1k a piece? Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but 1k for a 2 hour consultation with 40 other webmasters doesn't seem like a good deal to me. Factoring how much time it takes to get a response over irc, i doubt each webmaster would get more than 1 question answered. Good luck in this, but I doubt you'd get more than a few webmasters interestedin.

                                                              WG

                                                              Well said.

                                                              I was too shocked at the 1k price

                                                              If it was 10 webmasters and about 2hrs and $250 a pice i would of paid
                                                              That comes out to 1250 an hour

                                                              A couple of sessions and you have you 40k
                                                              Care about me?
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                                                              • Alex
                                                                So Fucking Banned (YEA!!)
                                                                • Jun 2004
                                                                • 10963

                                                                #32
                                                                I mean why pay 500/hr with a s.e.o consultant when you dont even get the one on one

                                                                Sami or xxxjay do it for $200-$300/hr and its one on one
                                                                Care about me?
                                                                Who?
                                                                Me!
                                                                Who?

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                                                                • mitzvah
                                                                  Registered User
                                                                  • Oct 2004
                                                                  • 11

                                                                  #33
                                                                  With all due respect, I would think most people would prefer to learn SEO from someone that had 40k on hand without having to sell domains or run seminars.

                                                                  I thought there was 'good' money in SEO, or maybe WG's signature is correct ;)
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                                                                  • WiredGuy
                                                                    Pounding Googlebot
                                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                                    • 34512

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Alex
                                                                    I mean why pay 500/hr with a s.e.o consultant when you dont even get the one on one

                                                                    Sami or xxxjay do it for $200-$300/hr and its one on one

                                                                    I was just going to say the exact same thing, swami and xxxjay offer one on one consulting for about half the price.

                                                                    WG
                                                                    I play with Google.

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                                                                    • Alex
                                                                      So Fucking Banned (YEA!!)
                                                                      • Jun 2004
                                                                      • 10963

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                                                      I was just going to say the exact same thing, swami and xxxjay offer one on one consulting for about half the price.

                                                                      WG
                                                                      Damn when WG agrees with you on any matter that has to do with s.e.o you know you are good :
                                                                      Care about me?
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                                                                      • ~Ray
                                                                        visit hardlinks.org
                                                                        • Jun 2003
                                                                        • 18361

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by mitzvah
                                                                        With all due respect, I would think most people would prefer to learn SEO from someone that had 40k on hand without having to sell domains or run seminars.

                                                                        I thought there was 'good' money in SEO, or maybe WG's signature is correct ;)
                                                                        I do not want to spend my money to finish the progra,. I want to fund it by offering service.

                                                                        It's true that you're not supposed to invest your own money in a business.

                                                                        ~Ray
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                                                                        • ~Ray
                                                                          visit hardlinks.org
                                                                          • Jun 2003
                                                                          • 18361

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Alex
                                                                          Well said.

                                                                          I was too shocked at the 1k price

                                                                          If it was 10 webmasters and about 2hrs and $250 a pice i would of paid
                                                                          That comes out to 1250 an hour

                                                                          A couple of sessions and you have you 40k
                                                                          I understand completely. I have to make it worth my time to offer the 2 weeks free folow up. I'll look at your pages, links, etc.. and, you should see better results within 2 weeks, so I'm offering you tips for free until you get the good ranks.

                                                                          I need to raise $40k to fund my program. I'm not going to use my persinal funds to pay for it. If there are 40 webmasters that want to learn how to get more search engine traffic on ONE keyword.. then you can take what you know about that ONE keyword and have high ranks for as many keywords as you want.

                                                                          Is there not 40 people that want to learn how to get higher rankings for alomost any keyword. You could use it for life. Open a program and feed it yourself. Send quality traffic to your own sites where you know you are not being shaved. That should be anyone's goal.

                                                                          I'm just saying, there are a lot of ways to think about an investment.

                                                                          ~Ray
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                                                                          • Alex
                                                                            So Fucking Banned (YEA!!)
                                                                            • Jun 2004
                                                                            • 10963

                                                                            #38
                                                                            What do you mean not your own funds?

                                                                            You aer going to provide a service
                                                                            People will pay you, the funds will now be yours.
                                                                            SO you still use them to fund the program
                                                                            Care about me?
                                                                            Who?
                                                                            Me!
                                                                            Who?

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                                                                            • ~Ray
                                                                              visit hardlinks.org
                                                                              • Jun 2003
                                                                              • 18361

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by pornstar2pac
                                                                              I bought the ebook, thanks
                                                                              Does that book talk about how to mix in adult webmaster links amongst regulaer adult terms in the search engines... to attract adult webmasters surfing their SERP's and surfers wanting to get in the "biz"...?

                                                                              #7 AdvertisingSex
                                                                              http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=ash...gle=1&ei=UTF-8
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                                                                              • bringer
                                                                                i have man boobies
                                                                                • Jul 2003
                                                                                • 13082

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by AdvertisingSex
                                                                                Does that book talk about how to mix in adult webmaster links amongst regulaer adult terms in the search engines... to attract adult webmasters surfing their SERP's and surfers wanting to get in the "biz"...?

                                                                                #7 AdvertisingSex
                                                                                http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=ash...gle=1&ei=UTF-8
                                                                                http://66.218.71.225/search/cache?p=...icp=1&.intl=us
                                                                                chapter 3
                                                                                get page 1 listing and redirect
                                                                                333-765-551

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                                                                                • Alex
                                                                                  So Fucking Banned (YEA!!)
                                                                                  • Jun 2004
                                                                                  • 10963

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by AdvertisingSex
                                                                                  Does that book talk about how to mix in adult webmaster links amongst regulaer adult terms in the search engines... to attract adult webmasters surfing their SERP's and surfers wanting to get in the "biz"...?

                                                                                  #7 AdvertisingSex
                                                                                  http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=ash...gle=1&ei=UTF-8

                                                                                  Waste of a good keyword listing
                                                                                  Care about me?
                                                                                  Who?
                                                                                  Me!
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                                                                                  • ~Ray
                                                                                    visit hardlinks.org
                                                                                    • Jun 2003
                                                                                    • 18361

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by Alex
                                                                                    What do you mean not your own funds?

                                                                                    You aer going to provide a service
                                                                                    People will pay you, the funds will now be yours.
                                                                                    SO you still use them to fund the program
                                                                                    Yes, I'm using funds from this service to fund my project. The normal money I make from my matrix will not be touched. If my program fails for some reason. I won't be flat ass broke.

                                                                                    This is like a promotion to raise $40k and finish my program without touching my current income. All of this $$$ goes to the program.

                                                                                    Thanks,
                                                                                    ~Ray
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                                                                                    • ~Ray
                                                                                      visit hardlinks.org
                                                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                                                      • 18361

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by Alex
                                                                                      Waste of a good keyword listing
                                                                                      All of those NCN links around it are mine. Guess I should have mentioned that.

                                                                                      http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=ash...gle=1&ei=UTF-8


                                                                                      ~Ray
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                                                                                      • ~Ray
                                                                                        visit hardlinks.org
                                                                                        • Jun 2003
                                                                                        • 18361

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by bringer
                                                                                        http://66.218.71.225/search/cache?p=...icp=1&.intl=us
                                                                                        chapter 3
                                                                                        get page 1 listing and redirect

                                                                                        Come get your diploma.

                                                                                        ~Ray
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                                                                                        • bringer
                                                                                          i have man boobies
                                                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                                                          • 13082

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by AdvertisingSex
                                                                                          Come get your diploma.

                                                                                          ~Ray
                                                                                          thats ok, im happy with my current listings

                                                                                          thanks though
                                                                                          333-765-551

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                                                                                          • AdultNex
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Feb 2003
                                                                                            • 8985

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Yahoo is extremely easy to manipulate for top rankings, but the offer sounds good for someone that doesn't know the SEO ropes.

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                                                                                            • tungsten
                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                              • Mar 2004
                                                                                              • 10579

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by JFPdude
                                                                                              I don't see him being desperate to sell his sites. He offered them for sale and nobody wanted to pay what they were worth. Therefore he decided to keep them.
                                                                                              what other option did he have?
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                                                                                              • PornHero
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                                                                                                • Feb 2001
                                                                                                • 1381

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by AdvertisingSex
                                                                                                Yes, I'm using funds from this service to fund my project. The normal money I make from my matrix will not be touched. If my program fails for some reason. I won't be flat ass broke.

                                                                                                This is like a promotion to raise $40k and finish my program without touching my current income. All of this $$$ goes to the program.

                                                                                                Thanks,
                                                                                                ~Ray
                                                                                                This isn't meant to bash you in any way, I have read this thread with interest, but if you are a SEO expert why will losing $40,000 in your webmaster program make you flat ass broke?

                                                                                                And why are you starting a webmaster program if you are a SEO expert? What kind of webmaster program is it. Maybe I am missing something. Sorry for my ignorance.

                                                                                                I wouldn't say I am an SEO expert but the money I make from them is crazy and I am sure I only know 1/10th what you know.

                                                                                                I was actually considering taking a lesson til i read about your financial situation.

                                                                                                My advice is to take your seo knowledge and make $40,000 in the search engines with it. That's only 1333 signups if you earn $30/signup. Its been 3 years, if you are that good, in a few months you will have the $40,000 plus whatever you build in those months on the asset side of your balance sheet.
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                                                                                                • ~Ray
                                                                                                  visit hardlinks.org
                                                                                                  • Jun 2003
                                                                                                  • 18361

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by PornHero
                                                                                                  This isn't meant to bash you in any way, I have read this thread with interest, but if you are a SEO expert why will losing $40,000 in your webmaster program make you flat ass broke?

                                                                                                  And why are you starting a webmaster program if you are a SEO expert? What kind of webmaster program is it. Maybe I am missing something. Sorry for my ignorance.

                                                                                                  I wouldn't say I am an SEO expert but the money I make from them is crazy and I am sure I only know 1/10th what you know.

                                                                                                  I was actually considering taking a lesson til i read about your financial situation.

                                                                                                  My advice is to take your seo knowledge and make $40,000 in the search engines with it. That's only 1333 signups if you earn $30/signup. Its been 3 years, if you are that good, in a few months you will have the $40,000 plus whatever you build in those months on the asset side of your balance sheet.

                                                                                                  You are right. I misquoted the broke thing.I meant, If I lose the $40k on the program... I'll still have my matrix money savings account. I don't want to put a dent in that if I can raise the money quickly offering seo advice that anyone can do. This is a great way for me to network too, so when my program opens, many of the webmasters I meet and have met, might actually use their seo knowledge to push my program.

                                                                                                  ~Ray
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                                                                                                    Originally posted by AdvertisingSex
                                                                                                    You are right. I misquoted the broke thing.I meant, If I lose the $40k on the program... I'll still have my matrix money savings account. I don't want to put a dent in that if I can raise the money quickly offering seo advice that anyone can do. This is a great way for me to network too, so when my program opens, many of the webmasters I meet and have met, might actually use their seo knowledge to push my program.

                                                                                                    ~Ray
                                                                                                    Ok this is getting interesting, I think I am figuring something out here:

                                                                                                    If you have the time please read my thoughts I posted on surfer vs. affiliate traffic in another thread today:

                                                                                                    Originally posted by PornHero

                                                                                                    What I think you are talking about here is how to best LEVERAGE your time.

                                                                                                    Do you spend time getting your own surfer traffic or affiliate traffic?

                                                                                                    I think it would be easier to get surfer traffic in this day and age than affiliates to promote your program. The # of webmasters out there are FINITE and their time LIMITED. Even if an adultwebmaster likes what he/she sees in your program it takes alot for them to take the time to sign up, add your links to their sites and push traffic to you. You have alot of big companies with deep pockets and new fresh sites/content coming out all the time. Those are the ones that are always at the top of my list.

                                                                                                    Surfer traffic for all intents and purposes is INFINITE.
                                                                                                    There are millions of people around the world searching for porn everyday. But the key is they are not all searching for the same thing! The niches/types/fetishes of these millions of surfers are virtually UNLIMITED when compared to the number of webmasters trying to serve them. In fact we dont have enough adultwebmasters to serve all the niches yet. lol, i cant beleive i just wrote that but its true.

                                                                                                    For example... have you heard of of the porn niche Dogging? Neither did I until this morning. Here's a hint, it doesnt refer to bestiality at all.

                                                                                                    Type in "dogging porn" into google (with the quotes), its a joke the little amount of results that come up.

                                                                                                    But Dogging is starting to gain a foothold and if it continues I know its just a matter of time (may be a year or two but they're coming) before the first big sponsor like TopBucks or NastyDollars comes out with a Dogging site. And I'll be all over that mofo when they do

                                                                                                    Now if you have an affiliate program how are you going to captialize on all this Dogging traffic? If you are a 1 to 3-man sponsor operation please let me know how you'd do it in a profitable, timely, aggressive manner that competes with the big boys.

                                                                                                    But if you were concentrating on surfer traffic there are a myriad of ways to start getting dogging traffic almost overnight.

                                                                                                    So to get back to my point, your average affiliate program is dealing with a finite amount of adultwebmasters, a finite niche, and competing with some pretty big heavyhitters.

                                                                                                    Whereas a webmaster that is dealing with surfer traffic has 100's of millions of potentional surfers, Unlimited niches and a wide assortment of affiliate programs to choose from. And let me tell you, you dont have to worry about competing with the finite amount of adult webmasters, there is plenty of money to be made in surfer traffic if you know what you are doing.

                                                                                                    Now the question of where to the send the surfers is a good one. I must admit from my firsthand experience that certain free/with creditcard sponsors that pay you a nice chunk of change for a free signup are extremely profitable. And I have also experienced some great rebills on recurring sales. Either way, I always preach you should always diversify your assets, never have ALL your eggs in one basket, whether thats servers, domains, sponsors, or pay types (pps, recurring).

                                                                                                    Sorry for the long ass post, I hope it makes sense to some of you, not everyone will get it, this is Advanced Leverage Management 301.
                                                                                                    So my question to you still remains, since you are so good at SEO, and we all agree that huge money can be made in it, why do you want to open a webmaster program so badly. Wouldn't it be more profitable in the long run to work the search engines yourself?

                                                                                                    Please let me know where my logic is off.

                                                                                                    Thanks
                                                                                                    PornHero.com

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