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  • Corleone
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    US SOldier gets tortured by US Soldiers

    Former MP says he was beaten at Guantanamo

    The Associated Press
    LEXINGTON, Ky. ? A former military police officer said Monday that he was severely beaten while posing as a detainee during a January 2003 training exercise at Guantanamo Bay.

    Sean Baker, a former member of the 438th Military Police Company, said he played the role of a prisoner and was beaten so badly by four U.S. soldiers that he suffered a traumatic brain injury and seizures.

    ?I don't want this to happen to anyone else, what I'm living with daily,? Baker told WLEX-TV in Lexington.

    Kentucky National Guard Capt. David Page, a guard spokesman, would not comment about Baker's specific claims.

    ?There was a training accident, after which he was medically discharged,? Page said.

    Page confirmed that Baker was a former member of the 438th Military Police Company, based in Murray, Ky. He said Baker was with the unit when it was stationed at the naval base in Cuba, where the United States is holding detainees from Afghanistan.

    Page referred further questions to the U.S. Southern Command in Miami.

    In the interview, Baker said that as part of the training drill, he was given an orange detainee jumpsuit to wear and turned over to four soldiers. Baker said the soldiers beat and choked him, stopping when they saw he was wearing parts of an Army uniform.

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  • DR_PHIL
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    #2
    not surprised

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    • Corleone
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      #3
      thats how they threat prisoners.. now he knows...

      human rights?

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      • JakeR
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        #4
        big diff. between getting his ass kicked and being 'tortured'
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        • TheFrog
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          #5
          US is brutal

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          • Corleone
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            #6
            Originally posted by JakeR
            big diff. between getting his ass kicked and being 'tortured'
            yeah right he has "a traumatic brain injury and seizures" only now

            after he was beaten by 4!! soldiers! ( ever got kicked by 4 ppl? )

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            • bizmak
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              #7
              WTF?? What's next?

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              • Mr Pheer
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                #8
                Originally posted by bizmak
                WTF?? What's next?
                The Bush - Rumsfield gay porn video

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                • ALiEn_OuT
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by DR_PHIL
                  not surprised
                  they just wanted info

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                  • directfiesta
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                    #10
                    To the US, prisonners are below animal status ...

                    Then " he gased his own people..." bad Saddam ...
                    I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                    But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                    • chemicaleyes
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Corleone
                      yeah right he has "a traumatic brain injury and seizures" only now

                      after he was beaten by 4!! soldiers! ( ever got kicked by 4 ppl? )
                      Brutal yes, but still only a sever beating and not what I think you can call being tortured.
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                      • Corleone
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by chemicaleyes
                        Brutal yes, but still only a sever beating and not what I think you can call being tortured.
                        "stopping when they saw he was wearing parts of an Army uniform."

                        what if not?

                        would they kill him? torture? eat?

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                        • chemicaleyes
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Corleone
                          "stopping when they saw he was wearing parts of an Army uniform."

                          what if not?

                          would they kill him? torture? eat?
                          They may well of killed him if they hadn't seen he was wearing parts of an Army uniform, but it would still be he was beaten to death and not tortured to death.
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                          • TeaseEntertainments2
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                            #14

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                            • chemicaleyes
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Corleone
                              ( ever got kicked by 4 ppl? )
                              and yeah, have had over 30 ppl trying to get a kick or hit in before.
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                              • chemicaleyes
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by MrPheer
                                The Bush - Rumsfield gay porn video
                                lol
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                                • count blingula
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                                  #17
                                  too much humanity here
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                                  • Corleone
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                                    #18
                                    k can't edit it now
                                    he was ONLY beated into the hospital

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                                    • Boogie3
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by JakeR
                                      big diff. between getting his ass kicked and being 'tortured'
                                      Exactly
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                                      • JakeR
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Corleone
                                        yeah right he has "a traumatic brain injury and seizures" only now

                                        after he was beaten by 4!! soldiers! ( ever got kicked by 4 ppl? )
                                        that still isn't torture.
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                                        • Basic_man
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                                          • Corleone
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by JakeR
                                            that still isn't torture.
                                            its still bad..

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                                            • Corleone
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                                              #23
                                              thats not normal ... even if its not torture

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                                              • Michaelious
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                                                #24
                                                typical of the entire situation

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                                                • Doc911
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                                                  tor·ture ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tôrchr)
                                                  n.

                                                  1. Infliction of severe physical pain as a means of punishment or coercion.

                                                  2. An instrument or a method for inflicting such pain.

                                                  3. Excruciating physical or mental pain; agony: the torture of waiting in suspense.

                                                  4. Something causing severe pain or anguish.


                                                  beat ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bt)
                                                  v. beat, beat·en, (btn) or beat beat·ing, beats
                                                  v. tr.

                                                  1. To strike repeatedly.
                                                  2. To subject to repeated beatings or physical abuse; batter.
                                                  3. To punish by hitting or whipping; flog.



                                                  I fail to see the difference.


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                                                  • Corleone
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Doc911
                                                    tor·ture ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tôrchr)
                                                    n.

                                                    1. Infliction of severe physical pain as a means of punishment or coercion.

                                                    2. An instrument or a method for inflicting such pain.

                                                    3. Excruciating physical or mental pain; agony: the torture of waiting in suspense.

                                                    4. Something causing severe pain or anguish.


                                                    beat ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bt)
                                                    v. beat, beat·en, (btn) or beat beat·ing, beats
                                                    v. tr.

                                                    1. To strike repeatedly.
                                                    2. To subject to repeated beatings or physical abuse; batter.
                                                    3. To punish by hitting or whipping; flog.



                                                    I fail to see the difference.
                                                    looks silimal .. but thats not the point

                                                    thy're threating prisoners like shit... don't respect human rights etc.. and this is just wrong

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                                                    • TexasGuy
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                                                      #27
                                                      American soldiers most be the dumbest people on earth.

                                                      First you torture civilians.

                                                      Then you torture reporters.

                                                      Then you torture your friends.

                                                      I dont get it? What are you doing over there!?

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                                                      • smokingdawn
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                                                        #28
                                                        That sucks

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                                                        • just a punk
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by TexasGuy
                                                          American soldiers most be the dumbest people on earth.

                                                          First you torture civilians.

                                                          Then you torture reporters.

                                                          Then you torture your friends.

                                                          I dont get it? What are you doing over there!?
                                                          This may be not a big surprise for all here, but the USA has done enough to faces the entire World against their country. Do you know that most part of non-American citizens have much more sympathy to the Iraqis... Bush is getting compared with Hitler and all the US people are threaded as Nazi barbarians.

                                                          I know lots of very kind and good American guys and girls, but the things that USA do in Iraqi are really terrible...
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                                                          • dig420
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by chemicaleyes
                                                            Brutal yes, but still only a sever beating and not what I think you can call being tortured.
                                                            what about when we repeatedly hold them under water until they're almost drowned, or attach electrodes to their balls or strip them naked and set dogs on them?

                                                            Is that torture?

                                                            These aren't things I want my country to be involved with.

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                                                            • chemicaleyes
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Doc911
                                                              I fail to see the difference.
                                                              The difference being that when most people think of a beating, you think of someone getting beaten up... black eyes, broken nose, broken arm/leg etc... but you recover (atleast your body can recover).

                                                              A beating can have the same kind of pain level as torture but you would think that whatever is being done to cause the pain is being done repeatedly for hours, days, weeks or even months. Therefore torturing the victim far beyond the definition of a beating.
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                                                              • ytcracker
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                                                                • chemicaleyes
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by dig420
                                                                  what about when we repeatedly hold them under water until they're almost drowned, or attach electrodes to their balls or strip them naked and set dogs on them?

                                                                  Is that torture?
                                                                  That is exactly what I'm talking about and is obviously torture.

                                                                  Originally posted by dig420
                                                                  These aren't things I want my country to be involved with.
                                                                  These are things that no country should be involved with.
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                                                                  • JerkyLeBoeuf
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by JakeR
                                                                    that still isn't torture.
                                                                    Of course it's torture for fuck's sake.
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                                                                    • Pleasurepays
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Corleone


                                                                      In the interview, Baker said that as part of the training drill, he was given an orange detainee jumpsuit to wear and turned over to four soldiers. Baker said the soldiers beat and choked him, stopping when they saw he was wearing parts of an Army uniform.

                                                                      ...

                                                                      right.

                                                                      he forgot to mention that he was an MP while recieving a life threatening beating?

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                                                                      • chemicaleyes
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by JerkyLeBoeuf
                                                                        Of course it's torture for fuck's sake.
                                                                        No it's a sever and brutal beating.
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                                                                        • Corleone
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                          right.

                                                                          he forgot to mention that he was an MP while recieving a life threatening beating?
                                                                          hmm... i think they didn't belive him..

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                                                                          http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120890,00.html
                                                                          http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...on/8750926.htm

                                                                          maybe you've seen it on fox


                                                                          "But, Baker says, the beating didn't stop. "That individual slammed my head against the floor and continued to choke me," he said. "Somehow I got enough air, I muttered out, 'I'm a U.S. soldier, I'm a U.S. soldier.'"
                                                                          Last edited by Corleone; 05-25-2004, 01:20 PM.

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                                                                          • Rochard
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                                                                            I was in the Marines for four years. I got the shit beat out of me more times than I can remember.

                                                                            You need to remember that these people live in a very different world than we do. We sit behind computers all day long; They spend their free time on a rifle range so that when called upon they'll shoot to kill.
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                                                                            • JerkyLeBoeuf
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by chemicaleyes
                                                                              No it's a sever and brutal beating.
                                                                              It's both.

                                                                              Like Reese's Peanut Butter Cups.

                                                                              You got your torture into my brutal and severe beating!

                                                                              Your brutal and severe beating is in my torture!

                                                                              Together, they yeild neglibible information gathering results!

                                                                              But that's not the point, is it? The point is that hurting people is fun! And when the command and control aparatus either a) approves or b) fails completely, THIS IS WHAT YOU GET.
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                                                                              • Corleone
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by RocHard
                                                                                I was in the Marines for four years. I got the shit beat out of me more times than I can remember.

                                                                                You need to remember that these people live in a very different world than we do. We sit behind computers all day long; They spend their free time on a rifle range so that when called upon they'll shoot to kill.
                                                                                thats making it better?

                                                                                if a guy who gets beaten all the day run into a school and kill everybody its ok... because he had a hard life?

                                                                                good that not all soldiers are like this.. but some of them should be in inside the jail and not outside..

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                                                                                • chemicaleyes
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by RocHard
                                                                                  I was in the Marines for four years. I got the shit beat out of me more times than I can remember.

                                                                                  You need to remember that these people live in a very different world than we do. We sit behind computers all day long; They spend their free time on a rifle range so that when called upon they'll shoot to kill.
                                                                                  and with the proper training, soldiers know the difference between war and the need to shoot to kill or die yourself and the real world where everyone is not a fucking nutter trying to kill you or just sat around waiting for trouble.
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                                                                                  • chemicaleyes
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by JerkyLeBoeuf
                                                                                    It's both.

                                                                                    Like Reese's Peanut Butter Cups.

                                                                                    You got your torture into my brutal and severe beating!

                                                                                    Your brutal and severe beating is in my torture!

                                                                                    Together, they yeild neglibible information gathering results!

                                                                                    But that's not the point, is it? The point is that hurting people is fun! And when the command and control aparatus either a) approves or b) fails completely, THIS IS WHAT YOU GET.
                                                                                    I'll have to stick with it's a beating.
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                                                                                    • Corleone
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by chemicaleyes
                                                                                      I'll have to stick with it's a beating.
                                                                                      c'mon mate thats not the point...

                                                                                      its just crazy what happened

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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by RocHard
                                                                                        I was in the Marines for four years. I got the shit beat out of me more times than I can remember.

                                                                                        You need to remember that these people live in a very different world than we do. We sit behind computers all day long; They spend their free time on a rifle range so that when called upon they'll shoot to kill.
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                                                                                        • chemicaleyes
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Corleone
                                                                                          c'mon mate thats not the point...

                                                                                          its just crazy what happened
                                                                                          Yes the main point is that this incident is fucking crazy! completely unnecessary and should not of been aloud to happen, but going with the conversation in this thread about the incident.. the guy was seriously beaten, not tortured.
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                                                                                          • EviLGuY
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by TexasGuy
                                                                                            American soldiers most be the dumbest people on earth.

                                                                                            First you torture civilians.

                                                                                            Then you torture reporters.

                                                                                            Then you torture your friends.

                                                                                            I dont get it? What are you doing over there!?
                                                                                            I dont think anyone knows.. not even them.

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                                                                                            • Lauren
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              it's always the case in war. the geneva convention doesn't exists at all!!!

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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by Lauren
                                                                                                it's always the case in war. the geneva convention doesn't exists at all!!!
                                                                                                The Geneva Convention has a very selective existence.
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                                                                                                  #49
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                                                                                                    i hate america

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