Lots of "designers" in this business ...

I mean just look at that !

Ya know what pisses me off...

Bitches that come crying about shitty designers when it was there business decision in the first place to be "On The Cheap" getting work done for them...

Then come here sniveling about it.

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Originally posted by bignasty
that is a fine ass design
http://www.bluevision.co.il/sbce/
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WAY WAY WAY too much effects ... bevel on the orange, same on almost all text . Basic photoshop effects used everyhwere .

The girls light don't come from the same spot making it look very weird.

The 18 yo sing is all crispy.

WAY WAY too much effect on the most beautul ......

The only thing I like is the background ...

Duh that's the main reason why I don't do web for adult ... I charge 10-15 k for a mainsteam site . In adult you can charge like 3k ...

The only guy that can bring really good quality is standaman cauz he got 20 russian guys that are very good graphist at the same time .

I'm trying to build a team to do that kind of work but it will take some time :P

Oh this is where the spam starts?



Enjoy your own thread.

It seems that anyone and there dog can be a designer nowadays. However with ever 10 that I look at, I am lucky to find one that I would consider a pro.

Did I spam anything ? I already got enough projects going right now I can't really take anymore . I've spent way less time here this month for that reason .

come on its not that bad
could be better for sure, maybe the guy is just starting, but for sure I've seen much much worse.

And don't always blame the designers.
A lot of people come and say "here is my $10 zipcontent sets, now make me a millionaire"

show me anybody other than MikeW who can get $3,000 for a paysite design today.

Stan can get that kind of money for affiliate program designs, maybe more, haven't asked for a quote.

quit posting and finish my god damned flier ;-P

Shitty "designers" are not that much competition. If someone is looking for a job well done he will hire someone who can design.
Those clients who prefer to get "cheap" then "good" are really
not the kind of clients you want.

Doctor Dre

First let me say that I like your designs.. but to come onto the board and badmouth another designer.. well that's just not good in my opinion, it makes you look bad.. quit it

Doctor Dre

indeed

i do cheap ones...

I'm talking about quality design ... Real pro . Not the average shit .

And stand charge arround 3k

I don't call them designers ...

I don't badmouth anybody that does good work, went to school and learned how to do graphics or have very good natural skills :P

I haven't received the info for it yet :P

you shouldn't badmouth anyone .. let the idiots do that

just telling you what I think

What school did you go to? I'd have loved to do something like that

I'm not pretending to be a designer ... I got a team of designers that did that ... But I think I'm pretty good at judging work and motivating my people .

Any about bad mouthing people, I've got bad mouthed by people that don't even know me and I still take it . When something is true, I think it's good to say it .

you rarely get a ferrari for the price of a pinto. if you do, you might have been better off with the pinto

And btw tia your shit looks good ... some original ideas in there .

Have to agree on some parts with you Dre. I am NOT calling myself a pro, far from that, but I am doing this for some time now and all works out very well for me. But I can tell you lots of guys won't be here next year or the year after if you ask me. So no worries from me about 'm, as long as my clients referer me to others I am happy and it is showing me that lots do respect what I do.

Keep up the good work and don't worrie to much about others

Been a long time since I have seen a good rant about designers

this same thread gets started at least once a week.

in every one, 90% of the participants are talking out their asses, as is the case with this one.

Yeah more pixel abusers than designers.

sorry

So true

I think some of the best designers are in this industry. part of the reason for that is it's a lot harder finding work doing non-adult sites.

thats some foul work

Most "designers" worth using have a waiting list. If they don't have a waiting list, I tend to wonder how good they are. So much of this business revolves around the "recurring" model, even business to business transactions. Repeat buyers are the best.

Where's the quote for my business cards?

Indeed

Doctor Dre, I agree with you on the most parts, but i also look at it from another side..

There are multiple layers in the market, and all of them need to be covered, it's a market economy as well as world wide in geographical sense, since we are all connected by the internet. There will always be market for '3 day ago i installed photoshop, now i call myself a designer' designers, but they are no competition to the quality companies.

Plethora of poor quality designers makes those that are good stand out a lot, the only thing that's pissing me off is that it's really hard to get the client to notice you, because they have to sift through lots of shit prior to finding ya.

So i don't get mad, my clients get very happy when they find me, and once they find me, they don't want to go anywhere else, which makes them keep coming back, and i just concentrate on producing high quality work for them.

I am very impressed after conversation with you how you found your own niche, and just taking advantage of it. It's a much better plan then trying to outshine all the crap designers in adult internet, for less pay. Keep up the good work

Well said

Designer is just a word until there is some kind of certification system.

You think design in adult is bad? Just wait till you get into mainstream.

With all the foreign designers jumping aboard, people want complete designs and content management for $50.

Part of the problem is economics.

When I started looking at designing for adult, I figured designing galleries would make a good start. Decent enough area to build up a portfolio, almost impossible to put yourself way over your head, chance to develop copywriting skills in Adult, etc.

Looking around the (rather saturated) market, looked like the high end I might be able to pull would be $50/gallery. Assuming I was ready to work at a depressed $20/hour to break into the market, translates to 2.5 hours per gallery. So in that timespan I'd need to:

1. Review the client site and figure out what makes the site marketable (many, many paysite designs make that a difficult task in and of itself)
2. Sit down and write my copy.
3. Come up with a basic layout.
4. Drop my text copy into the layout.
5. Place the imagery and decor around the layout and text.
6. Retouch it, Wacom it, etc.
7. Splice.
8. Tweak and optimize Imageready'd output into more legitimage page.
9. Replace placeholder images with thumbs, link to full size pics/movies, etc.
10. Fix the intangible problems that arise with every project.

I have 8+ years experience marketing and advertising in the travel industry (not an exact fit, but a stronger background than I suspect many enter the industry with). There's not much of anything in Photoshop I don't know - I'm more efficient with some tools than others, but can do most anything. In short, I'm in a pretty good position experience-wise to do these fairly quick.

Yet it quickly became obvious there was no fucking way I could do the above in 2.5 hours. I'd be lucky to open Photoshop in the first 2.5 hours. The above is more like a 5 hour task. So that left three options:

a) Charge $100/gallery. Too far above market rates for that to work.
b) Skimp on the design angle, use PS Styles as a quick crutch. Course now you can only charge $25-$30 gallery.
c) Nearly wipe out steps 1 and 2. Focus solely on design.

None of these options look good to me so I haven't gone any route, but I have the luxury of a full-time job and can translate what I learn researching adult into my other job. Not many have that lxuury.

Of the three, option b) is probably the best. Problem is you get painted as a quick-and-dirty designer and once labeled, it's hard to extend beyond that.

I also see plenty of option c)'s out there - beautiful PS work but the sales message is obscurred. Ironically this might be the faster means to move to the more lucrative paysite designs.

Already established designers are, of course, exempt from the above restrictions. But for the newbie designers around here, it's pretty rough to produce high-end design with marketable features, at the pricing the current market dictates.

Mind you, I'm not crying here. I didn't expect an easy and open armed transition into adult designing. But I am sympathetic to other designers fending their way just as I am. That said, publicly blasting a designer's work seems far out of line, particularly when your solution is hiring eastern European graphic designers. Somehow I can't see non-native English speaking graphic designers writing great sales copy geared towards (mostly) U.S. consumers.

What you do is good ... and have common sence . Not just use of right click / effects

Ugh ???? email me [email protected] or icq : 23606902

I am in mainstream and I have some very good clients ...