50 great films
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I liked Bad education. It's not my fav Almodovar's movie but it's still powerfull.Originally posted by sarah_webinc
I heard a lot of good things about the che guevara film and I very much want to see Bad Education.
I recommend Last Kusturica's film, "life is a miracle", it's amazing !
I suppose it didn't get any prize this year because Kusturica already won the Palme d'Or twice.Last edited by Malkmus; 05-22-2004, 06:17 PM.Comment
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Michael Moore is amazing..
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Good for him...I can't wait to see it!Comment
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wtg Moore, well deserved.Comment
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For the GFY Rush Limbaugh sheep who like to blindly repeat Rush and claim Bowling isn't a documentary. Stop believing everything Rush tells you and do some research.
Documentary Definitions
"A term with a wide latitude of meaning, basically used to refer to any film or program not wholly fictional in nature."
--James Monaco, The Dictionary of New Media, 94.
"Documentary is the creative treatment of actuality."
-- John Grierson, Cinema Quarterly 2.1, 8.
"[A]ny film practice that has as its subject persons, events, or situations that exist outside the film in the real world."
--Steve Blandford, Barry Keith Grant, and Jim Hillier, The Film Studies Dictionary, 73.
"Film of actual events; the events are documented with the real people involved, not with actors."
--Ralph S. Singleton and James A. Conrad, Filmmaker's Dictionary, 2nd ed., 94.
"A film or video presentation of actual events using the real people involved and not actors."
--John W. Cones, Film Finance and Distribution, 154.
http://www.realityfilm.com/study/definitions.html
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Huh? people have opinions because people know who michael moore is and what he stands for.Originally posted by sarah_webinc
hate to tell you but every film has a message - even a doccumentry. I haven't seen this yet so I reserve judgement on it. Don't see how people can have opinions of a film they haven't seen.
Thats like saying "Jerry Fallwell made a movie called God Hates Fags and I don't understand how you can have an opinion about it without seeing it"Comment
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It may be a documentary but it's still propaganda in that he only tells one side while ridiculing the other. Basically like Rush Limbaugh but on the other side and with film rather than radio. If you get your info, talking points, or opinions from either you're going to be labeled a brainwashed idiot by the other side.Comment
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No. Conservatives should have been getting ridiculed long ago and the media has bent too far over trying to accomodate these lunatics so they can say they presented 'both sides of the story'.Originally posted by jas1552
It may be a documentary but it's still propaganda in that he only tells one side while ridiculing the other. Basically like Rush Limbaugh but on the other side and with film rather than radio. If you get your info, talking points, or opinions from either you're going to be labeled a brainwashed idiot by the other side.
When one side is demented, someone needs to point it out rather than try to give it the same weight as the rational side.Comment
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I hate that lying piece of shit.Comment
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So you think the left has a monopoly on the truth and you only want the lefts side of things to be presented. Might as well have a dictatorship. Thanks for the info. In the future I'll be sure never to take anything you have to say seriously.Originally posted by dig420
No. Conservatives should have been getting ridiculed long ago and the media has bent too far over trying to accomodate these lunatics so they can say they presented 'both sides of the story'.
When one side is demented, someone needs to point it out rather than try to give it the same weight as the rational side.Comment
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Both "sides" are demented. Come to think of it, we're all demented. Especially the person who posts next.Originally posted by dig420
When one side is demented, someone needs to point it out rather than try to give it the same weight as the rational side.
Dig, you're definitely demented. Welcome to the club, friend. ;-)
PS You going to San Diego? Hope to see you there.
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Here's my take. I don't consider myself either a conservative or a liberal.
Moore's film is political. The content is political. No doubt. We all know that. Is it all "100% true"? Probably not. There is probably some exaggeration, truth-bending and the like. "Columbine" was satire/documentary. Assumably this will be to.
Some people probably voted for "Fahrenheit 911" because they agreed with its politics. Others voted for it because they thought it was highly entertaining or whatever other qualities the film is supposed to have. "A great film".
I watched "Columbine" and though I don't agree with much of it as far its conclusions and think it was overly simplistic and narrow - it was very entertaining. In fact, I think of "Columbine" as much more entertaining than educational. In fact, it is very entertaining. So entertaining that it would have been deserving of any award given it including the Oscar it won. I don't have to agree with the film's conclusions or politics to think that. Neither did Tarantino or others.
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Show a film to an audience of Muslims that is witty and ridicules Israeli politics and you'll get a standing ovation. Show the same film in Tel Aviv and people will boo and maybe even burn the theater down.Originally posted by directfiesta
Doesn't that say something to you????
Maybe you should start wondering about your cement rigid opinion.
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-- edit --Originally posted by Colin
I don't have to agree with the film's conclusions or politics to think that. Neither did Tarantino or others.
I don't have to agree with the film's conclusions or politics to think that. Neither did Tarantino or others regarding Moore's newest film.
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I would have an opinion on the man but as this is a film award I wouldn't judge the quality of a work without seeing it. I am not a fan of Charlton Heston as a person, for example, but I will happily admit that is has done some fantastic acting.Originally posted by Pleasurepays
Huh? people have opinions because people know who michael moore is and what he stands for.
Thats like saying "Jerry Fallwell made a movie called God Hates Fags and I don't understand how you can have an opinion about it without seeing it"
It is like politicans that call for censorships of songs, movies and albums that they have never heard or seen.Comment
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It's a fair argument but most people have some idea of whether they are going to like a film or not. It's quite clear that some liberals already expect to like the film and some conservatives not.Originally posted by sarah_webinc
I would have an opinion on the man but as this is a film award I wouldn't judge the quality of a work without seeing it. I am not a fan of Charlton Heston as a person, for example, but I will happily admit that is has done some fantastic acting.
I tend to go to movies that I think I am going to like and am more often right than not.
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Originally posted by Colin
It's a fair argument but most people have some idea of whether they are going to like a film or not. It's quite clear that some liberals already expect to like the film and some conservatives not.
I tend to go to movies that I think I am going to like and am more often right than not.
well, that is fair enough if you are judging if you want to see the film or not but as this thread started off talking about it winning an award that is what I was talking about. How can anyone here that hasn't seen it or the films it was up against it have a real opinion on if it deserved an award or not.
Just like when the Pianist won the Oscar and we had at of people on here who had never seen it saying it didn't deserve to win because of the history of the director. Never mind that they hadn't seen it to know it was a quality film.Comment
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Simple. The content alone could cause people to form opinions that way. If there were a film that defended slavery and called for its revival many people would say it doesn't deserve an award. If that hypothetical film were made by someone whose last film was called "A defense of the KKK" and our observer thought that the director twisted the truth, lied, and manipulated the audience would you think it absurd that they had a preconceived notion of what to expect and might even pre-judge the film as not deserving of an award?Originally posted by sarah_webinc
How can anyone here that hasn't seen it or the films it was up against it have a real opinion on if it deserved an award or not.
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Why is it that a politically themed movie can't be good or worthy of celebration/praise?Originally posted by Pleasurepays
no. i could care less what films are up for the award of the "best of the best" or whatever it is .
if a "documentary" can cause such a reaction... then i think given his past, his political views, his political bias and content of previous movies might lead a reasonably intelligent person to deduce that the purpose of the film was not to "document" anything but rather to send a politically charged message.
celebrating films should not be about celebrating political views and political opinions.
JMHO-uno
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I doubt the movie will make a billion and I'm sure that was just a gross exageration, but the movie also will not flop. I think it will make top 5 and stay there for weeks as word of mouth and curiosity spreads.Originally posted by LittleMack
Wont make a billion, the judges are all antiwar etc....I bet the movie flops here in the USA. Look who the audience is.-uno
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It will definitely not flop. I'd be really surprised if it didn't make more than "Columbine" considering the controversy level.Originally posted by uno
I doubt the movie will make a billion and I'm sure that was just a gross exageration, but the movie also will not flop. I think it will make top 5 and stay there for weeks as word of mouth and curiosity spreads.Last edited by ADL Colin; 05-23-2004, 03:41 AM.
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Though i havn't seen it, I know enough about the film and Moore to know that this work deserves this kind of publicity / award.Originally posted by sarah_webinc
How can anyone here that hasn't seen it or the films it was up against it have a real opinion on if it deserved an award or not.
http://www.festival-cannes.fr/index....6002#selectionComment
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Well, this time Moore proclaims he knows the truth. We'll see ...
"Many people want the truth put away, put in a closet and you have taken it out of the closet."
Quoting President Abraham Lincoln, whom he described as "a different kind of Republican president," Moore said, "`Give the people the truth and the republic will be saved.'"
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Originally posted by bringer
documentary?
Exactly... Good for laughs anyways.Comment
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I love America, Freedom and Apple Pie. Want to tell me what any of that has to do with invading Iraq?Originally posted by dig420
only because all Europeans hate America, Freedom, and Apple Pie.
in that order.
I love America and want it to be loved around the world, however I'm afraid it's recent history has brought it more hate and that hurts.Comment
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Question before the court.Originally posted by charly
I love America and want it to be loved around the world, however I'm afraid it's recent history has brought it more hate and that hurts.
Is there more or less hate for the UK and why?
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I get the feeling that the UK is thought of as Bush's lap dog when it comes to Iraq, but that is just the feeling I get from the Czech people around me.Originally posted by Colin
Question before the court.
Is there more or less hate for the UK and why?
You can clearly see how a man like Macarthy was allowed to conduct his witch hunt in the 50s. there are people here who obviously would like to bring that era back, God knows what the feeling is in the White House for it.
With true freedom of speech Micheal Moore has the chance to make his movie, Bush has the chance to sue him for libel or to explain the lies Moore has told.
In the days of Macarthy there was no such thing as "Freedom of Speech"Comment
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Yes, this seems to me to be the case too. that people think this. Do you think it's true?Originally posted by charly
I get the feeling that the UK is thought of as Bush's lap dog when it comes to Iraq, but that is just the feeling I get from the Czech people around me
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On Iraq definitely, Blair was taken in by Bush much to his shame.Originally posted by Colin
Yes, this seems to me to be the case too. that people think this. Do you think it's true?Comment
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What a UK paper is reporting.
Meant to be a leaked Goverment document, seems the civil servants are saying something different from what the politicians are telling us.Comment
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And John Howard?Originally posted by charly
On Iraq definitely, Blair was taken in by Bush much to his shame.
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He's known down here as "Bonsai", because he's a little Bush.Originally posted by Colin
And John Howard?Comment
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sorry to jump in here.. I think Howard would follow America off any cliff, he believes ( and i think there is some truth in this ) that Australia needs a powerful ally like America.. and to turn away from America in cases like this may be repaid in the same manner if in future Australia looks to the US for support.Originally posted by Colin
And John Howard?
Same could be said for britain and any other ally involved in the war.Last edited by slackologist; 05-23-2004, 05:11 AM.Comment
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Mixed oppinions about this in Australia.Originally posted by Colin
And John Howard?
In fact, I would say oppinion is split fairly equally in relation to Australia's involvement in Iraq.
My oppinion: needed to be doneComment
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Originally posted by Joe Citizen
He's known down here as "Bonsai", because he's a little Bush.
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Bottom line is it's a film about a subject that touches everyone on this planet. It's a film that touches issues that have been purposefully avoided and it's pissed off evil doers the world over.
Who knows if Moore is just pulling people's legs but even the publicity has gotten the world to look and ask questions and communicate. That's what films are supposed to do. That's what a good story is supposed to do.
Often people rag on those who entertain 'conspiracy theories' except when the right wing does it. When the right wing does it and it's honest they're called 'patriot, militia' types. When the right wing does it and it's dishonest it's called 'Rush Limbaugh'.
The equation is simple. Moore made a movie about subjects the other directors were too pussy to touch. Far as I'm concerned the other directors should sit down and wear pink panties for being the bitch asses they are.Comment
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huh?Originally posted by uno
Why is it that a politically themed movie can't be good or worthy of celebration/praise?
i thought it was a "documentary"
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How many hours did you spend in coffee shops locked in deep and firey debates about the many political messages of Lord of the Rings or The Cat In The Hat?Originally posted by sarah_webinc
hate to tell you but every film has a message - even a doccumentry. I haven't seen this yet so I reserve judgement on it. Don't see how people can have opinions of a film they haven't seen.Comment
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Your post is definitive. Moore is about entertaining...making money..and has found his niche to do both and is very good at it. The sad thing is...some people (the uninformed and mis-informed)do not realize this...and think that he presents "truth"...when in fact his forte is satire.Originally posted by Colin
Here's my take. I don't consider myself either a conservative or a liberal.
Moore's film is political. The content is political. No doubt. We all know that. Is it all "100% true"? Probably not. There is probably some exaggeration, truth-bending and the like. "Columbine" was satire/documentary. Assumably this will be to.
Some people probably voted for "Fahrenheit 911" because they agreed with its politics. Others voted for it because they thought it was highly entertaining or whatever other qualities the film is supposed to have. "A great film".
I watched "Columbine" and though I don't agree with much of it as far its conclusions and think it was overly simplistic and narrow - it was very entertaining. In fact, I think of "Columbine" as much more entertaining than educational. In fact, it is very entertaining. So entertaining that it would have been deserving of any award given it including the Oscar it won. I don't have to agree with the film's conclusions or politics to think that. Neither did Tarantino or others.Last edited by theking; 05-23-2004, 02:28 PM.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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