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05-22-2004, 09:32 PM

Jarrod/DefiantWeb where the FUCK do you get off comparing your hosting company... to top rated hosts such as WEBAIR and OXEO?

hehe I've sat back long enough listening to you try to compare to Webair, not to mention Oxeo who is also well respected in my book.

Time to put some facts to this story :

http://www.defiantweb.com/

they use nlayer (reseller)
they dont have their own network
they dont have their own IP block
they colo/use nlayer
if nlayer goes down or has probs
nlayer is border line tier1 cheap bw

Baiscally, if they ever wanted to use another provider they would have to have nlayer's approval, or renumber ALL of their ips which i'm sure their customers would appreciate =)

no comparison to Webair or Oxeo!

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05-22-2004, 09:39 PM

I changed my companies name from Corehosting to Defiantweb when I switched the locations of all the servers. Did I mention there was no downtime during this switch? Juicy.. I have watched webair grow as a company since I've been in the hosting business since 1998. I am an honest person and yes I colocate all of my servers in Dallas TX. That does not mean I am not respectable. Just because I do not have my own data center?
Some of the things you are saying is complete slander such as me having cheap BW. Just like you told Amp he was racist against Jews and he never once said anything racist about Jews. And I'm Jewish! I really dislike drama and this is way out of line. I made comments about Oxeo and I stick to my story. I dont have 15 hours of downtime because of a simple harddrive failure. I guess they just dont care about their lower paying customers.
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05-22-2004, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by juicylinks
Jarrod/DefiantWeb where the FUCK do you get off comparing your hosting company... to top rated hosts such as WEBAIR and OXEO?

hehe I've sat back long enough listening to you try to compare to Webair, not to mention Oxeo who is also well respected in my book.

Time to put some facts to this story :

http://www.defiantweb.com/

they use nlayer (reseller)
they dont have their own network
they dont have their own IP block
they colo/use nlayer
if nlayer goes down or has probs
nlayer is border line tier1 cheap bw

Baiscally, if they ever wanted to use another provider they would have to have nlayer's approval, or renumber ALL of their ips which i'm sure their customers would appreciate =)

no comparison to Webair or Oxeo!

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Nice.. I like when someone does their homework. Yeah they don't sound like they are even in the same ballpark.

If you want to be a serious host you HAVE to own your IP space.
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05-22-2004, 09:53 PM

Juicy yes you did your homework on my host yet you are very unfamiliar with nlayer. Our bandwidth peers over the best bandwidth providers in the world they certiainly do not have cheap BW like you say. Do a tracert on defiantweb and you will find out just how good our peering is. For instance GBLX one of the best bandwidth providers in the industry.
Also where do you get off saying I don't own my own IP block. Nlayer does not sign out IP blocks you need to own them and I do! Of course I can compare myself to big named hosts I provide just the same or better customer support than them and I cater to every single customer whether they are $6/month or $6000 a month.
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05-22-2004, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by Jarrod
I changed my companies name from Corehosting to Defiantweb when I switched the locations of all the servers. Did I mention there was no downtime during this switch? Juicy.. I have watched webair grow as a company since I've been in the hosting business since 1998. I am an honest person and yes I colocate all of my servers in Dallas TX. That does not mean I am not respectable. Just because I do not have my own data center?
Some of the things you are saying is complete slander such as me having cheap BW. Just like you told Amp he was racist against Jews and he never once said anything racist about Jews. And I'm Jewish! I really dislike drama and this is way out of line. I made comments about Oxeo and I stick to my story. I dont have 15 hours of downtime because of a simple harddrive failure. I guess they just dont care about their lower paying customers.

In MY opinion, your remarks towards Oxeo were out of line...you don't know ALL the facts, there could have been other issues involved that we do not know about...I find it honorable that Oxeo didn't jump rip you apart. Granted it's a long time to have a client down, but thats neither here nor there. Let them deal with it!

The only reason I said something is due to the fact that in the last few hosting threads I have read here lately, I see you thread jacking constantly boasting about how you can kill our prices and how you much better you guys are than everyone else...please we will meet or beat any price you put out there. Besides that we need some good drama here, it's been kinda quiet

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05-22-2004, 09:56 PM

My bandwidth is fully redundant. My host is stable and affordable. As for you saying I have cheap bandwidth you should look at other places that are a lot more lower priced than nlayer and you will find they have tons of downtime which is why I would never use them. There I have stated my point and now I am done. You use to be cool with me Juicy under my other name ry0t, I'm just not sure what happened to you. You've lost a lot of credit with me by the way you handle things with Amp.
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05-22-2004, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by EviLGuY
Nice.. I like when someone does their homework. Yeah they don't sound like they are even in the same ballpark.

If you want to be a serious host you HAVE to own your IP space.

Define "your own" ip space. Providers can de-agg IP's in their space for you to announce via BGP to other providers....then there's also direct allocation from ARIN which is hard as a bitch to get now a days.
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05-22-2004, 09:58 PM

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05-22-2004, 09:59 PM

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05-22-2004, 10:00 PM

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05-22-2004, 10:01 PM

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In MY opinion, your remarks towards Oxeo were out of line...you don't know ALL the facts, there could have been other issues involved that we do not know about...I find it honorable that Oxeo didn't jump rip you apart. Granted it's a long time to have a client down, but thats neither here nor there. Let them deal with it!

The only reason I said something is due to the fact that in the last few hosting threads I have read here lately, I see you thread jacking constantly boasting about how you can kill our prices and how you much better you guys are than everyone else...please we will meet or beat any price you put out there. Besides that we need some good drama here, it's been kinda quiet

I believe Oxeo peers with some respectable companies as well:

http://www.nyiix.net/members.html

Thats because I can beat your prices and I do it because I want more people to know you charge way too much for hosting. You will not beat any of my prices that I put out there. I think to myself if only more people knew about how low I could make my prices then more people would contact me asking about who I can beat as far as pricing goes. I do not get into the whole drama issue on GFY unless my name comes up like this. In all honestly, I apologize for even having my name in the Oxeo thread. They should have a board rep and I would not be ashamed if I got ripped apart by them. Now that I have said my part I also want to say this you cannot say that there 15 hour downtime was here nor there and that there were other factors. No customer should lose their business for 15 hours because of certain factors of any host. That is completely uncalled for.
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05-22-2004, 10:02 PM

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05-22-2004, 10:04 PM

Yes well I am happy that Oxeo uses respectable peering also but for Juicy to slander me is completely uncalled for saying my bandwidth is cheap and crap. That is bull.

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05-22-2004, 10:05 PM

you guys can bullshit about ip space all night but all a customer is gonna care about is whether the shit is up or not. note: this is not an endorsement of any host as Jarrod's host could be just as bad.

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05-22-2004, 10:05 PM

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Thats because I can beat your prices and I do it because I want more people to know you charge way too much for hosting. You will not beat any of my prices that I put out there. I think to myself if only more people knew about how low I could make my prices then more people would contact me asking about who I can beat as far as pricing goes. I do not get into the whole drama issue on GFY unless my name comes up like this. In all honestly, I apologize for even having my name in the Oxeo thread. They should have a board rep and I would not be ashamed if I got ripped apart by them. Now that I have said my part I also want to say this you cannot say that there 15 hour downtime was here nor there and that there were other factors. No customer should lose their business for 15 hours because of certain factors of any host. That is completely uncalled for.

LOLLLLL way too much??????????????

Let me tell you one thing , I can go to bed and sleep at night and not worry about my servers at Webair. I know if at 3 am something is fucked I can call and talk to a live person and isue will be fixed...

I blew out a HD on one server few months ago.... By the time i called they already were aware of the problem and had me back up in 20 min with a new HD .....

Anybody that will try to save a few bucks with hosting is a fool.

Hosting is the backbone of your online biz. You dont cheap out on that.
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05-22-2004, 10:10 PM

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LOLLLLL way too much??????????????

Let me tell you one thing , I can go to bed and sleep at night and not worry about my servers at Webair. I know if at 3 am something is fucked I can call and talk to a live person and isue will be fixed...

I blew out a HD on one server few months ago.... By the time i called they already were aware of the problem and had me back up in 20 min with a new HD .....

Anybody that will try to save a few bucks with hosting is a fool.

Hosting is the backbone of your online biz. You dont cheap out on that.

Yeah that's all right Juicy you are 100% right. I just am going to say that the host should know about the problem before the customer does and every host should offer 24/7 support. Some hosts do it for lower costs than others.
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05-22-2004, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by Jarrod
Thats because I can beat your prices and I do it because I want more people to know you charge way too much for hosting. You will not beat any of my prices that I put out there. I think to myself if only more people knew about how low I could make my prices then more people would contact me asking about who I can beat as far as pricing goes. I do not get into the whole drama issue on GFY unless my name comes up like this. In all honestly, I apologize for even having my name in the Oxeo thread. They should have a board rep and I would not be ashamed if I got ripped apart by them. Now that I have said my part I also want to say this you cannot say that there 15 hour downtime was here nor there and that there were other factors. No customer should lose their business for 15 hours because of certain factors of any host. That is completely uncalled for.

Like I said we'll meet or beat any comparable hosts offer, as we have been doing since 96...Now I'll go out of my way to offer ESPECIALLY good deals to your clients now that you challenge me and bad mouth other respectable hosting companies. Some people just don't know when to cut their losses and shut up.

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05-22-2004, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by webair
Like I said we'll meet or beat any comparable hosts offer, as we have been doing since 96...Now I'll go out of my way to offer ESPECIALLY good deals to your clients now that you challenge me and bad mouth other respectable hosting companies. Some people just don't know when to cut their losses and shut up.

Im not going to badmouth any host or be seen in any other hosts thread from this moment on. It's not because I'm scared of the deals you can offer any of my customers because they wouldnt switch to you anyways. It's just because I know it was wrong and I should let the host make right on their problems. Yet you keep saying you will try and make especially good deals to my customers. Well all I can say is keep trying. :\
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05-22-2004, 10:15 PM

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05-22-2004, 10:53 PM

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05-23-2004, 07:03 AM

they use nlayer (reseller)
they dont have their own network
they dont have their own IP block
they colo/use nlayer
if nlayer goes down or has probs
nlayer is border line tier1 cheap bw

- ALL the other hosts use other carriers as well, none of them are carriers in themselves.

- What do you mean, by their own network? None of them have their own 'network', they buy transit from carriers and BGP them, thus being resellers of those carriers themselves.

- And? Whats the big advantage of having your own IP block? There isnt anything spectacular about having your own. It doesnt make you special. For where theyre at right now, they dont need theyre own. All it does is drain you of a couple thousand a year.

- NLayer is a great carrier, top-class. The fact about them being non-redundant due to single carrier link, is true, however with the right carrier choice and a proper infrastructre, that becomes a moot point.

- nLayer is not border line cheap bandwidth. They are very good and have very nice peering in both the USA and Europe as well as Asia.

- If they wanted to use another provider, they could run a transport link out to another datacenter which is carrier neutral and throw in a router then setup whatever they want and transport everything back to the nLayer datacenter.
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05-23-2004, 07:06 AM

Anybody that will try to save a few bucks with hosting is a fool.

Hosting is the backbone of your online biz. You dont cheap out on that.

- This is so absolutely fucking true. Now if only everyone could be bitch slapped this into their heads, and all the kiddies internet connections killed.. we would be all set.
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05-23-2004, 07:08 AM

Originally posted by EviLGuY
Nice.. I like when someone does their homework. Yeah they don't sound like they are even in the same ballpark.

If you want to be a serious host you HAVE to own your IP space.

Sorry man, but thats a completely and utterly stupid statement.
I hope you were joking.
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05-23-2004, 08:31 AM

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05-23-2004, 08:36 AM

Really unwarranted drama.. there doesn't really seem to be any issues in here... Jarrod defended himself pretty well as well as others backing him up.. it just feels like name calling?

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05-23-2004, 08:38 AM

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05-23-2004, 08:54 AM

Here is one reason not to Host at Webair...

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05-23-2004, 09:01 AM

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Here is one reason not to Host at Webair...

LOLL

Why dont you do some resrach on other big hosts and see what dirty little secrets they hide..... you would be surprised what you would find...
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05-23-2004, 09:01 AM

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LOLL

Why dont you do some resrach on other big hosts and see what dirty little secrets they hide..... you would be surprised what you would find...

Oh no not at all...

Nothing surprises me anymore.

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05-23-2004, 09:06 AM

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Oh no not at all...

Nothing surprises me anymore.

lol trust me , i know some stuff but you know how it is ....

I have been with webair for awhile now and very happy , i care about my shit being up support and solid hosting thats all....

Not my business what they do nor do i care... true/?
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05-23-2004, 09:09 AM

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05-23-2004, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by juicylinks
lol trust me , i know some stuff but you know how it is ....

I have been with webair for awhile now and very happy , i care about my shit being up support and solid hosting thats all....

Not my business what they do nor do i care... true/?

The mentality of
"Not my business what they do nor do i care... true/? "

Is what has crippled this industry from day one. The attitude has prevailed and ruined any kinda "Honor" old business ethics held in the past.

People caving into Acacia as a "Business" decision and not having any cohesion in over all industry decisions is one such example.

I fuck pretty hard myself but I do mind who I fuck. Its how I have kept a fairly clean reputation. Moral's are not easy to live with but in the long term it has served me very well.

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05-23-2004, 09:23 AM

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05-23-2004, 09:24 AM

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Here is one reason not to Host at Webair...

I think he meant TO HOST at WEBAIR:

Not to mention the peer that isearch uses had issues yesterday that we diagnosed and shut down, we will reconnect with them when they work out their issues and that trace will be even better...

But valient effort alien =)

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World is full of idiots...

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05-23-2004, 09:28 AM

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Fucken place needs an enema.

indeed it is ... gotta love them though

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05-23-2004, 09:31 AM

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The mentality of
"Not my business what they do nor do i care... true/? "

Is what has crippled this industry from day one. The attitude has prevailed and ruined any kinda "Honor" old business ethics held in the past.

People caving into Acacia as a "Business" decision and not having any cohesion in over all industry decisions is one such example.

I fuck pretty hard myself but I do mind who I fuck. Its how I have kept a fairly clean reputation. Moral's are not easy to live with but in the long term it has served me very well.

Are you in thiz biz to make money or act as a police officer???

You think evryone in this biz is clean????

LOL we all have our dirty little secrets we ALLL DO
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05-23-2004, 09:45 AM

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Are you in thiz biz to make money or act as a police officer???

You think evryone in this biz is clean????

LOL we all have our dirty little secrets we ALLL DO

Not EVERYONE is clean thats for sure, but some are...

And when you start looking for those players you will see my work on the fringes of there efforts.

If ya look around and see how I do things ya will see that much is true. I've been called an "idealist" not by one but by several "Heavy hitters" in the industry, its probably hurt some of the biggest money making opportunities in my carreer.

So...
My business ethic is extreme to the point of damaging my own succcess. I will admit that.

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#48

05-23-2004, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by Magg
get my dirty secret off your lip before someone see's Juicy.
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#49

05-23-2004, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by skinnay
you guys can bullshit about ip space all night but all a customer is gonna care about is whether the shit is up or not. note: this is not an endorsement of any host as Jarrod's host could be just as bad.

yep I don't give a flying fuck, as long as it's up and fast.

with good tech support.

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05-23-2004, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by webair
Like I said we'll meet or beat any comparable hosts offer, as we have been doing since 96...Now I'll go out of my way to offer ESPECIALLY good deals to your clients now that you challenge me and bad mouth other respectable hosting companies. Some people just don't know when to cut their losses and shut up.

Funny, I've contacted Webair on 2 different occasions about your "beat any price on comparable hosting" crap and both times you said they weren't comparable. Of course the deal they offered was way, way, way better than your pricing and in my opinion very comparable. From what I gathered both times damn near everything had to be an exact match for you to beat the price.

Also, my partner had a virtual account with you. For the 3 months I kept up with it his sites were down more than they were up. Time outs, 404's, or slower than dirt. I know you have your crew of board whores here to push your service but I haven't been impressed so far.

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