BREAKING NEWS: 35 Iraqi prisoners and 5 Afghani prisoners have died in U.S. custody!

damn ..

By the way, the source was Fox News Radio, don't have a link yet.

Uh wait, somebody here actually believed it was only 1 prisoner being tortured to death so far?

Nothing breaking about this news unless youre simple minded.

ok...thanks.

So what? People die all the time.
Maybe they died of their wounds.

this shit is just gettin worse by the moment

Okay, here is the story on Foxnews now. This will be big once it gets out.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120644,00.html

WASHINGTON ? The Pentagon (search) acknowledged Friday the number of criminal probes into detainee deaths at U.S.-run prisons in Iraq and Afghanistan was greater than previously thought.

The military has carried out 33 criminal investigations into detainee deaths at U.S.-run prisons in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Pentagon said, after announcing there were 25 such probes two weeks ago.

The probes involve at least 37 people who lost their lives while in the custody of American forces, officials said. Five of the dead detainees were Afghans, while 32 were Iraqis.

Also Friday, the Justice Department (search) acknowledged for the first time that it has undertaken a criminal investigation into allegations of prisoner abuse in Iraq.

The probe involves an unidentified civilian contractor working for the Defense Department, said Justice spokesman Mark Corallo. It was unclear if the case being investigated by the Justice Department involved a death.

The Justice Department can prosecute such contractors for crimes committed overseas, including torture, if they are not already under military jurisdiction.

"We remain committed to taking all appropriate action within our jurisdiction regarding allegations of mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners," Corallo said.

No further details were provided. The Justice Department has also received at least three referrals for possible prosecution from the CIA related to prisoner abuse allegations, but has not announced a full criminal investigation into those cases.

Eight pending cases have been classified as homicides involving suspected assaults on detainees before or during interrogation sessions, a senior military official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Of the 33 of cases, 30 were inside U.S.-run detention facilities. Fifteen of the 30 cases were declared by U.S. authorities to be deaths by natural cause or of undetermined cause, the senior official said.

Of the 15 other cases that happened inside prisons, four were categorized as justifiable homicides, two as homicides, and nine were still under active investigation, the official said.

Six of the nine unresolved cases happened in Iraq ? including two at Abu Ghraib (search) prison ? while three were in Afghanistan.

The 33 total cases date from December 2002 to the present.

Bryan Whitman, a Pentagon spokesman, said members of Congress were briefed on the 33 cases Friday.

In the three cases involving detainees who were outside U.S. detention facilities, one was a death involving a soldier who shot and killed an Afghani who had lunged toward a weapon, the senior military officer said.

Another was an Iraqi who drowned after he was forced off a bridge by a U.S. soldier. In the third case, a U.S. soldier shot and killed an Iraqi when he lunged at another U.S. soldier, the official said.

In the four cases of justifiable homicide, there were a total of eight detainee deaths. Three of the four cases were at Abu Ghraib prison. In one of them, in November 2003, four Iraqis were killed. An April 2004 case at Camp Bucca (search) in southern Iraq resulted in two deaths. There also were cases at Abu Ghraib in April 2003 and March 2004 that each involved one death.

If heads don't roll at the highest levels of the US Military now and Rumsfeld doesn't get canned, there's going to be political ramifications that will guarantee Bush's defeat in November.

thats fucked up

And here's the story on the "secret interrogation facility" in Baghdad on CNN:

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/me...ain/index.html

I like this part:

'The official said the site was run in accordance with the Geneva Conventions and all detainees were afforded their rights under that international document.

"That's not to say somebody didn't get their head dunked in the water," he said.'

Honest to god the actions of our Government are getting to be shameful.

These people were better off with Saddam in power.

Sad but true.

You know what's funny?

The people who voted for Bush for President are still going to vote for him. You know why?

Because if your that stupid to vote for him in the first place, you probobly think everything that is happening is 'standard' in war...

You're all idiots.

Unless he "finds" Bin Laden, on the day before Election Day he is toast

This is just the beginning, like the NBC and Reuters staff that got abues, they denied everything until the scandalk blew up, expect more to come to light, the hospitals claines between 5 and 25 deathn a week at abu grahab alone.

I said that 6 months ago and was nearly burned at the stake.

Go to Iraq and asked Mohammed Q. Public who he'd rather have in charge, Bush or Saddam. The fact that somehow Bush was able to screw up this bag shows how incompetent all these neo cons are.

What was the cause of death?

I think Bin Laden is really irrelevant now.

I hope all of these murders will awaken people.

Cheers,
Matt

They were bashing guys against the walls, crushing them, leaving burlap bags over their heads for 72 hours, making them eat food out of toilets, punching and kicking them in their stomachs and groin, leaving them hanging upside down for extended periods of time, placing them in heated rooms with no fresh air, putting them naked in chilled refrigated rooms, forced objects into their rectums, and feeding them spoiled food, just to name a few.

Quoting one dumb fucking female bitch soldier,

"You are soon going to wish you were dead, but its not going to happen."

Our military is filled with about 20% ass clowns now from the sounds of it.

The problem is that everyone who will vote for him, will vote for him because of money. How many families are involved or benefit directly or indirectly from the military existing whether being a paid soldier, or a manufacturer of Hummers, or weapons.

If there wasn't a large portion of people dependant on the military existing and thriving, then Bush would not have been in power.

Cheers,
Matt

Cheers,
Matt

This sucks. There is no excuse for it. One postive though is that it's being investigated and those responsible are being punished. In fact the investigations began and at least one soldier was already convicted of murdering an inmate before the abuse pictures were released making it a huge news story. Saying Iraq was better off under saddam is ridiculous. Under Saddam there were no investigations and nobody was ever punished for prisoner abuse, torture, mutilation, and murder. With all the attention this is getting in the press I doubt there will be any more abuse. Unfortunately though, the damage to the reputation of the US military is already done.

Rumsfeld ain't no place and Bush ain't going 2 loose, unless it's betting on basketball.

You can't honestly think Bush is going to have a chance in November.

John Kerry is our next President. Not saying he'll be a gem either, but the country is fed up and frustrated and they'll vote against Bush just for a change of pace, not that they like Kerry necessarily.

did you read the article or read into it what you wanted 2 see.

go read it again, carefull this time

He gassed his own people..GET A CLUE!

lol

I agree with that statement 100%. Kerry isn't the answer to all the worlds problems but Bush is clearly now becoming the the cause of them.

What I don't understand is the 2 term limit in the US. When you have a great leader, why not let him stay in charge until the people vote him out? I mean is there anyone in the world right now who can honestly say we wouldn't be way better off if Clinton was still President? Plus he would have won by a landslide in 2000.

It's the governors, senators and congress who need a 2 term limit.

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998

Unfortunately they're all at the top.








You can't seriously expect an average 20 year old soldier to disobey orders in the middle of Iraq. They would have ended up like that guy who was arrested today as a deserter.

I hear ya, but this ain't "news" - tho it may be "alledged" news to the US Admin.

There is a damned lot more than that who have died in US custody and currently under investigation by third party orgs.

I remember... it was only 7 days ago the Pentagon was willing to admit to two investigations ... the next day it was three....

Hell.. they could not count a row of bodies unless they were US service personnel... even then, they'd love to claim they weren't.

War is hell.

Oh, ok, I forgot about the time Clinton invaded Iraq, killed 800 American soldiers and tourtured prisoners. What an SOB. Plus there was that time when Iraqi's killed thousands of Americans on Clintons watch. Good point. Clinton was ready to take action against Iraq if needed but wasn't stupid enough to jump into it with no cause or support.

you're right. clinton made the statement and followed it up with random bombings. his statement alone would bring cause would it not? it seems as though everyone is for the war on terror, yet they disagree that iraq has any involvement in terror. i guess clintons statements contradicts what everyone is saying now. i guess clinton didnt believe iraq had destroyed all their weapons after the last war. i guess clinton didnt believe iraq had no ties with terrorists. after 911 we saw that not all acts of terrorism are reactions.

You are correct. Everything recently came to light because of investigations initiated by the military several months ago.

I mean Jesus Christ, he's autographing a fucking Baghdad street sign while authorizing his military to torture Iraqi farmers. It's like they're trying to start a holy war.

I'm telling you, it's not good to fill the White House with a bunch of Evangelical Christians who believe in the End of Days. The western world needs to get rid of religious fundamentalists in power almost as badly as the Islam world.

If the people of Canada elect Stephan Harper I swear I'm moving to fucking Luxemburg.

I suspect...come November...that it will be about as close as it was the last election.

You don't get it, it's not a matter of what a politician "believes". Clinton wanted to find out for sure what threat they cause and then take the appropriate action. Bush invade without a war plan and started a complete and total holy war against Islam. If you can't tell the difference than that's your problem. Most people have common sense.

What does that mean, "after 9/11 we saw that not all acts of terrorism are reactions"? You don't think 9/11 was in retaliation for US cold war foreign policy? Why do you think they did it? They hate freedom?

"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed." -- Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002

"The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation." -- John Kerry, October 9, 2002

"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002

they must be liars too.

Got any proof or just making assumptions?

Why do you hate the Iraqi's?

We suspect... you're a fucking nutcase who faked his own death on a message board for attention.

WTF are you talking about? Of course everyone agrees Saddam shouldn't have weapons of mass destruction. The point you can't wrap your head around is that sane people wanted to take reasonable measures to insure he had disarmed. Nutcase neo cons wanted to kill tens of thousands of people and spend hundreds of billions of dollars to kill one man. They did the later and if you still can't see how it went wrong then please, go back to school.

what you dont seem to understand is the opposition to the war now by the liberal left is nothing more than an attempt to belittle the presidents actions. i find it very interesting all the democrats who supported this war until it started. once the war begun, it because a possible opportunity for bush to become somewhat of a hero and would have guaruteed his relection. they couldnt stand for that one bit. im curious... do you think 9/11 was bushs fault? if it was a reaction to something america did, was it somehow bushs fault? or is it just more party politics when people blame him?

Why can't Republicans understand that Clinton had Iraq in a mayonnaise jar for 8 years without killing a single American, and now Bush comes along and it's a fucking nightmare? Don't believe the pundits people, believe your own two eyes.

Answer my fucking question pussy and I'll begin to answer yours.

Did you read Gore's quote?

"...we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction"

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."

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He gassed his own people..GET A CLUE!
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Those voices in your head told you that is funny...get some help you sick bastard.

i thought saddam destroyed all his WMD??? i thought bush lied about them? it seems that the liberals agreed that 1. saddam had the weapons and 2. saddam should be removed from power. why is it when bush started the campain to do this he because an evil baby killer?

It's funny that people are so ignorant they can excuse any action by America against Iraq by spouting out pundit catch phrases.