No matter how honest the sponsor, the affiliate still gets the screw (somewhat)

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  • BVF
    Black Vagina Finder
    • Jan 2002
    • 13975
    #1

    No matter how honest the sponsor, the affiliate still gets the screw (somewhat)

    Surfer is at work, clicks on a nastydollars gallery. Gets turned on by the captain stabbin site. He can't join while at work so he waits till he gets home, types in captainstabbin.com and signs up.

    (affiliate screwed)

    Surfer is at home, gets a tent in his pants from Little April, whips out credit card out to join but it's declined. Surfer sends in credit card payment. Signs up to whack off to little april a a week later when the payment is credited.

    (affiliate screwed)

    Surfer sees link to any site and likes it but wants to check the site out for awhile to make sure it's still around. He bookmarks the straight typein of the site...three months later, the sponsor puts up a girl that gives that bookmarking surfer a boner and he signs up.

    (affiliate screwed)


    I haven't done the math on it (and I can't), but there has to be a mathematical formula for the odds of a surfer signing up through an affiliate link and signing up after bookmarking it....Therefore the 1:400 or whatever ratios aren't really mathematically accurate UNLESS it's the site owner...

    Either way, no matter how honest the sponsor is, the affiliate can still get screwed by so many different circumstances that are beyond anybody's control....

    This is why 200 hits can equal a signup to my own site and why an affiliate can send 200 hits and get jack shit..This is also the explanation for why some owners are really converting but nobody believes them because the affiliates ratios are different.

    Or maybe this is just some good shit i'm smoking right now.

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    • Devilporn
      Confirmed User
      • Apr 2004
      • 676
      #2
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        • EviLGuY
          So Fucking Banned
          • Apr 2003
          • 12745
          #3
          Thats very true. I've probably lost thousands of signups over the years that way.

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            • bdld
              $100,000
              • Dec 2001
              • 11452
              #4
              its true, thats just the way it is.

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                • Easton
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                  • Sep 2002
                  • 9825
                  #5
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                    • BlackCrayon
                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                      • Jun 2003
                      • 19634
                      #6
                      i always thought the same thing.
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                        • TheFrog
                          Confirmed User
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 4095
                          #7
                          Originally posted by EviLGuY
                          Thats very true. I've probably lost thousands of signups over the years that way.
                          maybe not thousands for me

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                            • AdultDesigners
                              Confirmed User
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 459
                              #8
                              Surfer is at work, clicks on a nastydollars gallery. Gets turned on by the captain stabbin site. He can't join while at work so he waits till he gets home, types in captainstabbin.com and signs up.



                              Stupid Question :
                              Why can he see the nastydollars gallery and not join the captain ?
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                                • V_RocKs
                                  Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                  • Nov 2003
                                  • 32467
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by AdultDesigners
                                  Surfer is at work, clicks on a nastydollars gallery. Gets turned on by the captain stabbin site. He can't join while at work so he waits till he gets home, types in captainstabbin.com and signs up.



                                  Stupid Question :
                                  Why can he see the nastydollars gallery and not join the captain ?
                                  Because he is on company time and doesn't want to whip out the CC and join up, just wants to pass away 5 minutes seeing what is out there so the home time can be better spent jacking off...

                                  If you don't like the odds, stop sending traffic... haha...

                                  Perhaps we should have a stop sending traffic day where we don't send the sponsors a single hit and see if it is even noticed?

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                                    • BVF
                                      Black Vagina Finder
                                      • Jan 2002
                                      • 13975
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by AdultDesigners


                                      Stupid Question :
                                      Why can he see the nastydollars gallery and not join the captain ?
                                      Can't watch a porn video while sitting in a cubicle at work
                                      Credit card is in his desk at home cause he doesn't carry them
                                      Doesn't want to use his card at work
                                      Needs to wait so he can use wifes/sons/mistresses card
                                      Saw the gallery at 4:30 pm and he gets off at 5
                                      etc. etc. and et muthafuckin CETERA

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                                        • WarChild
                                          Let slip the dogs of war.
                                          • Jan 2003
                                          • 17263
                                          #11
                                          I think it gets worse if surfers have their cookies turned off.


                                          I look at the bottom line myself. Either a given sponsor makes enough money on X ammount of hits, or it doesn't. I don't even try to figure what i'm losing.

                                          Daymon
                                          .

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                                            • stevent37
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Aug 2002
                                              • 266
                                              #12
                                              I think about that every time I see a sponsor banner with the url to the paysie printed on it. I refuse to use those but It probably doesnt matter

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                                                • SetTheWorldonFire
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                                                  • Feb 2002
                                                  • 7444
                                                  #13
                                                  interesting thread
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                                                    • Reak
                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                      • 17920
                                                      #14
                                                      Like i always say: Shit Happends

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                                                        • Headless
                                                          Registered User
                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                          • 26727
                                                          #15
                                                          Nice thread. Not much one can do about this though... Tis one of the reasons programs pps...

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                                                            • BVF
                                                              Black Vagina Finder
                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                              • 13975
                                                              #16
                                                              22% to 25% of my daily traffic is bookmark traffic. So that means that the affiliate is at least at a 25% DISADVANTAGE by sending me the same amount of traffic.

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                                                                • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                                  best designer on GFY
                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                  • 30307
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Well a cheap fix to the book mark code can carry an Affiliate ID.
                                                                  Couple tweaks and it can be done.

                                                                  But don't expect any clammoring action from the sponsors on this.

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                                                                    • Nutella
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Jul 2003
                                                                      • 2792
                                                                      #18
                                                                      If I click on one of my sponsor links:

                                                                      http://www.awesomeinterracial.com/ft...ndex.html?cf=1

                                                                      And the surfer clicks bookmark/ add to favorites.

                                                                      My code gets saved in their favorites, so I get credit for the sale if they come back via their favorites.

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                                                                        • Ecstasy Glass
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Mar 2004
                                                                          • 315
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Can't win 'em all dude
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                                                                            • mindoza
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Jan 2004
                                                                              • 1625
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Got to live somewhere in the happy medium.

                                                                              In a industry where i wash your back if you wash mine seems to work you just have to figure you are going to have to give up to get some. just have to find the right match up!
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                                                                                • magicmike
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                                                  • 2384
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  I wouldn't say the affiliate is screwed.

                                                                                  All that is factored into payouts that wm's receive.

                                                                                  If programs didn't get those "Free" sales then payouts would be lower.

                                                                                  Simple as that.
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                                                                                    • stev0
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Aug 2003
                                                                                      • 6801
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      yeah, that's true... but i guess that's just how things go.

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                                                                                        • Shap
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • May 2001
                                                                                          • 8313
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          MagicMike is dead on. It's all part of the formula used to pay webmasters. The webmaster may not get direct credit for those sales but in the end they are paid out as a result of those sales. I'd say in most cases affiliates are fairly rewarded for the traffic they send. I say this as someone who has been on both ends of this deal, as an affiliate that has sent 10000s of signups over the years and as a paysite owner paying out webmasters.

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                                                                                            • TheDoc
                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                                              • 13827
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              On the grand scale of things a single webmaster is not going to have people that want the site now, dont' buy, and come back later by typing it in and join. The % of this would be so low that you would never notice it. A very large traffic sending webmaster, may have a higher chance of this happening.

                                                                                              You have a higher % of surfers that right click, copy link location, paste in the URL bar and remove the referring ID. Which is still a rather low %.

                                                                                              On pretty much any program if a visitor clicks bookmark it saves the webmaster ID. Most programs that have BOOKMARK NOW writin on the site also pass in the webmaster ID.

                                                                                              The largest error a webmaster will have is from people CHANGING the url in the browser.

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                                                                                              The % of surfers that REMOVE the 01/?nats=MzoyOjI and go back to the warning page is crazy. Our program keeps track either way, MANY don't.
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                                                                                                • gornyhuy
                                                                                                  Chafed.
                                                                                                  • May 2002
                                                                                                  • 18041
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Start your own paysites!

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                                                                                                    • Abyss_Vee
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Sep 2003
                                                                                                      • 5208
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Thats why most sponsors should give BONUS's like for every 10 signups,, 1 free signup... or something like that to fill the gap

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                                                                                                        • stev0
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Aug 2003
                                                                                                          • 6801
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by Abyss_Vee
                                                                                                          Thats why most sponsors should give BONUS's like for every 10 signups,, 1 free signup... or something like that to fill the gap
                                                                                                          Alot do have bonus programs... personally i'd rather just have a higher payout.

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                                                                                                            • beemk
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                                                                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                                                                              • 20829
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by magicmike
                                                                                                              I wouldn't say the affiliate is screwed.

                                                                                                              All that is factored into payouts that wm's receive.

                                                                                                              If programs didn't get those "Free" sales then payouts would be lower.

                                                                                                              Simple as that.
                                                                                                              no shit. thats how pps programs can afford to pay so much per signup, well one of the reasons anyways.
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                                                                                                                • bigdog
                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                  • 6964
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by magicmike
                                                                                                                  I wouldn't say the affiliate is screwed.

                                                                                                                  All that is factored into payouts that wm's receive.

                                                                                                                  If programs didn't get those "Free" sales then payouts would be lower.

                                                                                                                  Simple as that.
                                                                                                                  exactly i was about to say the same thing

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                                                                                                                    • scoreman
                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                      • Nov 2001
                                                                                                                      • 1491
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      You are discounting the fact that the site owners shoulder risks to capital that you never participate in. Like for example we spend $2700 to get a shoot together then it washes out because of a model flaking or the male component has hardware failure. Or we have a camera that is dropped and broken and cost $1800 to replace. Those are two quick examples but the list goeson and on and on.

                                                                                                                      I think the key is that you find a program that does try to distribute payments fairly and timely and has stability and long term planning. In a perfect world there would be no problems, a $30 sale would always be shared by all parties, but since we do not live in a perfect world I would try to make the best of it through choosing your partners with consideration to character and longevity as well as how high the payout chart is.

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                                                                                                                        • Nyght
                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                          • 438
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by stevent37
                                                                                                                          I think about that every time I see a sponsor banner with the url to the paysie printed on it. I refuse to use those but It probably doesnt matter
                                                                                                                          I have always disliked and avoided those kinds of banners.

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                                                                                                                            • Calvinguy
                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                              • 1752
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              affilliates are slaves... live with it

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                                                                                                                                • twistyneck
                                                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                  • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                  • 4660
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  This is one of the main reasons you've got to start your own paysite. There is a reason sponsors put theirsite.com on all the banners you know and it isn't to get sales for you.

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                                                                                                                                    • BVF
                                                                                                                                      Black Vagina Finder
                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                      • 13975
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by scoreman
                                                                                                                                      You are discounting the fact that the site owners shoulder risks to capital that you never participate in. Like for example we spend $2700 to get a shoot together then it washes out because of a model flaking or the male component has hardware failure. Or we have a camera that is dropped and broken and cost $1800 to replace. Those are two quick examples but the list goeson and on and on.
                                                                                                                                      You're correct about all of that but I'm talking strictly about the MATHEMATICS of a surfer clicking on a sponsor link and the odds whether he will join now or join later...Like you can have one situation to why a surfer may not join and there are numerous permutations that can lead up to that same one reason. (ex. Doesn't sign up now because #1 card declined, #2 card is at home, #3, #4, etc. And for those reasons alone, when a site owner says they are getting 1:350 conversions, he isn't taking into account the bookmark traffic and typein traffic while the affiliate doesn't get to benefit from that kind of traffic to a site that he/she doesn't own.

                                                                                                                                      The risks that the program owner takes are much higher than what the webmaster takes. That's a given.

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                                                                                                                                        • StRoGE
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                                                                                                                                          • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                          • 1713
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by twistyneck
                                                                                                                                          This is one of the main reasons you've got to start your own paysite. There is a reason sponsors put theirsite.com on all the banners you know and it isn't to get sales for you.
                                                                                                                                          No, but its not specifically to screw the affilliates either in most cases. Its just to get the name out there for notability. If its a name that the surfer has heard before or remembers then its usually a little easier for them to trust it when they whip out their wallet.
                                                                                                                                          [URL=http://www.stupidcash.com/referral=sailorslut/][/URL

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